Well considering my SB running at 4.5K is barely slower (not perceptible) than my Ivy at the same clocks.. and Haswell is what, 5% faster clock for clock.
Yeah, CPU stagnation. It's all about GPU progress for gaming.
amazing what a 10% overclock does with today's pace of advancement.
Toms already did a review of hybrid crossfire showing that average fps was worthless. Unless AMD fixes their drivers effective FPS is probably the same to slightly better than the APU alone.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dual-graphics-crossfire-benchmark,3583-4.html
Not to mention that in some x86 workloads Kaveri can be drastically faster than Llano. Also in iGPU there is no comparison between the two(both compute and games).You could also overclock Kaveri by 10%...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,3725.html
Tom's Hardware Review is up.
All gaming benches were at 1920x1080, medium quality.
Notably, they were also able to collect some dual graphics data! And it appears to actually work, at least for Tomb Raider. Skyrim and Bioshock Infinite are still plagued by frame-time delivery.
They also have some Cinebench results, which I was pleased to see since it looked like the Anandtech guys didn't get to that one.
Its interesting that its already more effective out of the box already when the frame pacing drivers for DG isn't due yet, but scheduled for the next driver update end of the month. And yes, Skyrim is a mess, as is Farcry 3 for multi-GPU.
In iTunes, Steamroller gets exactly zero benefit. The Haswell-based Core i5 is naturally quite a bit faster. LAME actually reflects a tiny gain, but again, Intel’s architecture enjoys a commanding lead.
Frustrated at the lack of single-core speed-up, I decided to add our threaded 3ds Max 2013 render project. Only then, after spinning up both Steamroller modules, does the architecture demonstrate significantly better results. At 4 GHz, the A10-7850K is 22% faster than the A10-6800K. Some of that is eroded in practice by the Richland-based APU’s higher shipping clocks. However, it does appear that improvements made to Steamroller show up selectively, depending on the workload.
Here are the numbers from Toms ~I really want to see the same tests re-run with Kaveri dual graphics. Hopefully it should be a much more consistent experience.
I don't know what you're complaining about. The A10-7850K is drawing 20W less than A10-6800K, that's a big improvement.Wow. Toms showed good improvements with Hybrid crossfire.
TDP is creatively labeled. Its either a great drop from richland 100W for the 95W 7850k or a big increase from the 45W richland A8-5600T.
Efficiency is still meh. Can't tell if its better or worse.
Also 7850K generally performs better on average (stock vs stock) than 6800K even with rather big clock gap.I don't know what you're complaining about. The A10-7850K is drawing 20W less than A10-6800K, that's a big improvement.
wtf man, newegg guys are giving out bf4 coupons but only with a $600 combo. I though it came just with the APU...le sigh.
The thing they need are better CPU arch, with at least 30%+ ipc, and develop a custom physics engine that supports OpenCL and HSA.
AMD has to stop the dual graphics thing. The thing they need are better CPU arch, with at least 30%+ ipc, and develop a custom physics engine that supports OpenCL and HSA.
With both they would become very competitive again, at least for gaming, this way they would get a perfect physics coprocessor on each APU.
This kind of APU with 4-6 cores would rule.
Wow. Toms showed good improvements with Hybrid crossfire.
They also highlighted the lack of ST improvement. It appears that Kaveri has fixed the MT penalty substantially but does not really improve ST performance or IPC.
MT CB already saturates the two shared FPUs. Nothing to gain here from decoder/int scheduler improvements.Yup, Cinebench shows this as well. The rumoured ~20% ST IPC bump on top of higher MT efficiency didnt show up. At this point I'm not holding my breath for quad-core 65W Excavator and I expect quite a lot of 6-8 core FX users migrating to Skylake next year.
When Trinity debuted, everybody and their mother reviewed the OC abilities of the GPU. Why have I not seen one site doing it with Kaveri? I wanna see what the GPU can hit before I lay down any cash.
AMD doesn't need special tasks dedicated to igp if they nail dual graphics. Not until CPU performance is on the lower side. Dedicating physics to igp would be beneficial when pairing apu with powerful dgpu. No one will do this with AMD APUs due to their lower CPU performance. AMD targets low end, where more rendering performance is always welcome. The idea would be good with intel chips, because there, the igp is wasted as soon you plug any dgpu. I'm just afriad intel doesn't care enough to do something like this.I'm frankly amazed that neither AMD nor Intel has yet to come out with a physics engine which runs on the iGPU, while rendering happens on the dGPU. It would be an ideal way for both of them to sell their latest hardware to gamers- especially Intel, who really struggle to find a good reason for a gamer with a 2500k to upgrade to anything newer.