The Official Killer Instinct Thread

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purbeast0

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it may not be out at launch because markman said it may not be out at launch. that is their goal but it may not happen.

that 1st pic there is a 360 te, the 2nd one is the x1 te2.
 

cmdrdredd

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Well, if they miss the launch of the game I probably won't buy the game right away unless people say the dpad is amazing or something.

Having worked in video game retail for many years I kind of know how the general public buys stuff. The hardcore will buy the stick, but there will be lost sales on impulse buyers. There is a good percentage of buyers who can be persuaded to buy accessories for a new game or new system. Once that system or game is in use for a bit they will be inclined to say "I don't need that" unless it's cheap or pretty necessary (like a headset for voice chat).
 
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purbeast0

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yeah how well/bad the stick sells doesn't matter at all to me.

i dunno why but i get the feeling that killer instinct will pull in the mk crowd over the sf crowd, and the mk crowd is a lot more casual and use pads a lot more than the sf community.
 

cmdrdredd

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yeah how well/bad the stick sells doesn't matter at all to me.

i dunno why but i get the feeling that killer instinct will pull in the mk crowd over the sf crowd, and the mk crowd is a lot more casual and use pads a lot more than the sf community.

You could be right. From all I've read about KI it seems to be very casual friendly, not necessarily a casual game, but rather it allows people an easier learning curve than SF.

I don't care how well the stick sells, but I do know that previous madcatz TE sticks were in short supply at retail. If it sells well, they may keep the supply up and it'd be easier to get hold of one.
 

cmdrdredd

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That's crazy but what I like is if you get caught in a big combo you aren't instantly doomed to lose. In some other fighters if you make one mistake your life bar can go from almost 100% to zero in one move and you can do nothing to get out of it. At least this gives you a chance to get away.
 

purbeast0

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That's crazy but what I like is if you get caught in a big combo you aren't instantly doomed to lose. In some other fighters if you make one mistake your life bar can go from almost 100% to zero in one move and you can do nothing to get out of it. At least this gives you a chance to get away.

not in this case though. as soon as the ultra animation starts, you're done. but if it was a non-ultra long ass combo, then yea you are right. and the thing that i like about how KI combos work is that the majority of the damage comes from the ender. so if you get broken late on a long combo, you will not get as much damage had you just done an ender earlier.
 

smackababy

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not in this case though. as soon as the ultra animation starts, you're done. but if it was a non-ultra long ass combo, then yea you are right. and the thing that i like about how KI combos work is that the majority of the damage comes from the ender. so if you get broken late on a long combo, you will not get as much damage had you just done an ender earlier.

I really like how they balanced styling out and damage. You can style, but could lose a lot of damage, or do end it and lose the mind games of styling on your opponent.
 

cmdrdredd

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not in this case though. as soon as the ultra animation starts, you're done. but if it was a non-ultra long ass combo, then yea you are right. and the thing that i like about how KI combos work is that the majority of the damage comes from the ender. so if you get broken late on a long combo, you will not get as much damage had you just done an ender earlier.

Right, but if you just do the standard ultra with no extras connected to it you aren't going to 1hit KO. The damage seems very balanced to me from what I've seen.
 

smackababy

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Right, but if you just do the standard ultra with no extras connected to it you aren't going to 1hit KO. The damage seems very balanced to me from what I've seen.

You can't do your ultra unless they are in a range where it will kill them.

But I understand what you're saying. There is not 1 touch kill type of stuff like there is in MvC. Part of that is because people don't have the game to find those, but another part is with the breakers, you have the potential to break out of any combo and not get 1 touch killed.
 

cmdrdredd

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You can't do your ultra unless they are in a range where it will kill them.

But I understand what you're saying. There is not 1 touch kill type of stuff like there is in MvC. Part of that is because people don't have the game to find those, but another part is with the breakers, you have the potential to break out of any combo and not get 1 touch killed.

That's what I meant yeah. There's no move that can drop you down from almost full to dead. There are some Ultras in SF4 that do around 90% damage or something if they connect fully.
 

purbeast0

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That's what I meant yeah. There's no move that can drop you down from almost full to dead. There are some Ultras in SF4 that do around 90% damage or something if they connect fully.

Nah there is nothing that high in sf4. The closest is balrog a level 10 turn punch but that move isn't even realistic.

There is a video of Maximilian doing a 75% godlike combo like 40 hits and I think it was either 2 breakers that missed or a breaker then a counter breaker. He used a buncha Meyer and instinct mode too. When I get home ill find it and link it.
 

purbeast0

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king of unrelated to this game but it's ki related

tonight i finally fixed my marquee light in my ki2 cab. i had always wondered why the light never worked so i opened it up, and no bulb was in there lol. so i bought a new bulb, but that also did not work. so either the starter or ballast was bad.

since they are so old and the parts are pretty rare in stores, i just went to walmart and got a $8 light, and spliced the wires to fit the molex connector. and it worked like a charm.

http://i.imgur.com/QlewMLG.jpg

my hdd for ki actually crashed so i just ordered a compact flash version of the hdd and will either get it saturday or monday. i hope that fixes the random issue i just saw, because i wanna get some more ki in!
 

JackBurton

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king of unrelated to this game but it's ki related

tonight i finally fixed my marquee light in my ki2 cab. i had always wondered why the light never worked so i opened it up, and no bulb was in there lol. so i bought a new bulb, but that also did not work. so either the starter or ballast was bad.

since they are so old and the parts are pretty rare in stores, i just went to walmart and got a $8 light, and spliced the wires to fit the molex connector. and it worked like a charm.

http://i.imgur.com/QlewMLG.jpg

my hdd for ki actually crashed so i just ordered a compact flash version of the hdd and will either get it saturday or monday. i hope that fixes the random issue i just saw, because i wanna get some more ki in!

purbeast0, did you create a backup of your HDD before it crashed?

And since you mentioned your KI2 machine, the monitor in mine looks like it has gone out. It looks like a verital collapse, which I fixed once by replacing a chip on the monitor board, but then it just collapsed again a few minutes later. Any suggestions on who could fix this for me?
 

purbeast0

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purbeast0, did you create a backup of your HDD before it crashed?

And since you mentioned your KI2 machine, the monitor in mine looks like it has gone out. It looks like a verital collapse, which I fixed once by replacing a chip on the monitor board, but then it just collapsed again a few minutes later. Any suggestions on who could fix this for me?

no i did not create a backup of it prior. you can find backups online pretty easily though. but from what i've been reading, it is more of a hassle to use traditional hdd's when you can get the compact flash versions for cheap. i just got mine from someone for $25 shipped and i don't have to worry about it crapping out on me. i mean, the hard drive is like 18 years old that i have now, so that is a pretty good run for the hdd.

as far as the monitor, i don't personally know much about it. when i was trying to fix my light i came across this site:

http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/category/sections/monitors-screens/

it seems to have a lot of general repair tips, maybe that will help.

my other suggestion would be to go to klov (arcade-museum) and search the forums or post in them too. there's a lot of knowledge over there.
 

JackBurton

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no i did not create a backup of it prior. you can find backups online pretty easily though. but from what i've been reading, it is more of a hassle to use traditional hdd's when you can get the compact flash versions for cheap. i just got mine from someone for $25 shipped and i don't have to worry about it crapping out on me. i mean, the hard drive is like 18 years old that i have now, so that is a pretty good run for the hdd.

as far as the monitor, i don't personally know much about it. when i was trying to fix my light i came across this site:

http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/category/sections/monitors-screens/

it seems to have a lot of general repair tips, maybe that will help.

my other suggestion would be to go to klov (arcade-museum) and search the forums or post in them too. there's a lot of knowledge over there.

Thanks man. I may look into the compact flash solution. My HDD is working fine, but I think the CF may be a better long term solution. I'll also follow up on your monitor repair tips. I think it is a bad cap on the board that is causing the IC chip to fail (which was a pain for me to replace the first time). So I'll have to see if I can identify the problem cap, or may just send it in to someone to inspect. I hate having the game just sitting there, not working.
 

purbeast0

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Thanks man. I may look into the compact flash solution. My HDD is working fine, but I think the CF may be a better long term solution. I'll also follow up on your monitor repair tips. I think it is a bad cap on the board that is causing the IC chip to fail (which was a pain for me to replace the first time). So I'll have to see if I can identify the problem cap, or may just send it in to someone to inspect. I hate having the game just sitting there, not working.

cool man good luck. i forget which games you have, you have a couple right? i got mk1, mk2, ki1, and ki2. my sound boards are jacked for mk1 and mk2 though i think. once i get this all up and running again i think i'm going to test all of my other games out just to see how they all run.
 

exdeath

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Lol hard drive. Do they have reel to reel versions?

I'd have gone CF upon receiving the cabinet regardless if the HDD was working or not heh.

Funny how we've come full circle from solid state to mechanical media back to solid state.

OMG 650 MB storage capacity! /looks at 64GB SD card on desk.
 
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purbeast0

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Lol hard drive. Do they have reel to reel versions?

how else do you think they got all of those fancy pre-rendered graphics and FMV's on there back in the day? they needed the full 155mb or whatever it is hdd for it!

remember, this is 1994 we're talking about here!
 

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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cool man good luck. i forget which games you have, you have a couple right? i got mk1, mk2, ki1, and ki2. my sound boards are jacked for mk1 and mk2 though i think. once i get this all up and running again i think i'm going to test all of my other games out just to see how they all run.

I just have the one KI2 machine. I got it for $295 at an arcade a looong time ago. It's in great shape except for the non working monitor.

That's cool that you have the original KI and MK machines though. I loved those games. I can play them on my PS3, but it's just not the same as having the original arcade game. You have an arcade, I just have an arcade machine.
 

exdeath

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how else do you think they got all of those fancy pre-rendered graphics and FMV's on there back in the day? they needed the full 155mb or whatever it is hdd for it!

remember, this is 1994 we're talking about here!

Yeah it was pretty 733t back in the day.

I still laugh at the whole Ultra 64 thing.

Used a HDD in the arcade and they really thought a 32 MB cart and 4k texture cache was going to run the same game at home. Hehe.

It was what like another 7 years before the first HDD even showed up in a console.
 

purbeast0

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I just have the one KI2 machine. I got it for $295 at an arcade a looong time ago. It's in great shape except for the non working monitor.

That's cool that you have the original KI and MK machines though. I loved those games. I can play them on my PS3, but it's just not the same as having the original arcade game. You have an arcade, I just have an arcade machine.

oh no no i don't have those actual arcade CABINETS, just the jamma pcb's. they plug/play however i had to make different kick harnesses for them, which is really easy to do. otherwise the button layout is all whack.

and yeah that is a great price for ki2 cab lol. i was looking over on the klov forum and they go for over $700 pretty easily. i got mine for $300 as well back in like 2001 i think. i actually tried to sell it on the FS forums here many many years back lol.

lol found the FS thread - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1656097

Yeah it was pretty 733t back in the day.

I still laugh at the whole Ultra 64 thing.

Used a HDD in the arcade and they really thought a 32 MB cart and 4k texture cache was going to run the same game at home. Hehe.

It was what like another 7 years before the first HDD even showed up in a console.

to this day it's still pretty badass hearing the intro on the arcade game talking about how it will be available for nintendo's ultra 64. and then they changed the name to the weaker nintendo 64.
 
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exdeath

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to this day it's still pretty badass hearing the intro on the arcade game talking about how it will be available for nintendo's ultra 64. and then they changed the name to the weaker nintendo 64.

Yup. Sigh.

Silicon Graphics. MIPS R4000. In your face steel and sparks Ultra 64 logo. Nintendo wasn't screwing around. And riding high as a kite from demolishing the 16 bit war.


Then we got....


Super blurry playdoh land!

And barely any games and all the 3rd parties and genres that won the 6 bit war vanished.

I bet Nintendo is REALLY beating themselves up over the N64 right now. It permanently cost them the console wars.
 
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