The OFFICIAL Laker Playoff thread, GO LAKERS, GAME 3 - LA 81, SA 67, END of 3RD

[snik]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

3.) I thought it was fitting how the media said Shaq would only be fueled by not getting MVP, then missing the first shot of the game, only to be rebounded by Duncan.

4.) Ginobli represented tonight.

Got that right. Loved that baseline dunk!

 

[Dragnov]

Bowen did not own Kobe at all. The refs not making any call was the problem. I'm sorry, but TWO FTA by Kobe Bryant when guarding by only a single player? If theres a defender that good, I'm bloody Jesus. But oh well, Kobe still had a great game and was the only reason the Lakers will still in it.

Robert Horry is playing freakin dirty lately! What happened Rob! He has always been a great player, I don't know whats up with him this year.

Lakers w/o Devean George also? It can be done, but it's going to be incredibly tough beyond imagine.

 

[cityhunter2501]

yay lakers lost

go kings

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

Bowen did not own Kobe at all. The refs not making any call was the problem. I'm sorry, but TWO FTA by Kobe Bryant when guarding by only a single player? If theres a defender that good, I'm bloody Jesus. But oh well, Kobe still had a great game and was the only reason the Lkaers will still in it.

Kobe wasnt driving to the basket to draw fouls. He must have been afraid of Duncan and Robinson back there. He was settling for too many jump shots, which is part of the reason he wasnt shooting that well. He wasnt getting many easy layups.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Bowen did not own Kobe at all. The refs not making any call was the problem. I'm sorry, but TWO FTA by Kobe Bryant when guarding by only a single player? If theres a defender that good, I'm bloody Jesus. But oh well, Kobe still had a great game and was the only reason the Lakers will still in it.

Robert Horry is playing freakin dirty lately! What happened Rob! He has always been a great player, I don't know whats up with him this year.

Lakers w/o Devean George also? It can be done, but it's going to be incredibly tough beyond imagine.

Well it seemed to me that Bowen played fairly clean. I could think of two times that were questionable (and I repeat questionable), but I was very surprised and how good Bowen played defense. He ALWAYS had a hand right in kobe's face. Granted, Kobe made some pretty nice shots but Bowen still did a really good job. It's funny that Kobe averages over 30 points when Bowen guards him, but he still did a great job.

And I wonder how the injury to George is going to effect the Lakers. I'm curious as to what would happen if the lakers meet the kings. 2 years ago Fox was heralded for stopping Peja, but now that both Fox and George might be out, I wonder how Peja would do.

 

[josphII]

what an absolute joke of game. could the refs possibly be any worse? *thinks back to last years sacramento series* yeah i guess they can! but seriously, kobe was getting NO love tonight from the refs. kobe was CLEARLY FOULED (hit kobe's arm as he elevated for the shot) on his last three pt attempt (when the lakers were down by 3) by bowden and got no call, of course. at least two of shaq's fouls were a complete joke. the spurs once again couldnt do anything against the laker defense near the end of the game but the lakers couldnt over come the refs fouling out oneal and non calls on bryant. what a total crock of a game!

 

[Dragnov]

Kobe wasnt driving to the basket to draw fouls. He must have been afraid of Duncan and Robinson back there. He was settling for too many jump shots, which is part of the reason he wasnt shooting that well. He wasnt getting many easy layups.

Two fouls. He took 38 shots. You got to be kidding me. I don't care if he took all jumpshots, that's still like 99% impossible.

I look for the Lakers to come out w/ a vengeance next game.

 

[HendrixFan]

Kobe's last three point attempt didnt count because he stepped on the line. It didnt matter what happened after that, he was already out of bounds.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Kobe's last three point attempt didnt count because he stepped on the line. It didnt matter what happened after that, he was already out of bounds.

I believe he is mistaken and is referring to the 3 point shot Kobe missed. On which the replay showed Bowens hand on Kobe's arm when the shot was going up. You can see Bowen pull back his arm quickly to play it off.

 

[xuanman]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Kobe wasnt driving to the basket to draw fouls. He must have been afraid of Duncan and Robinson back there. He was settling for too many jump shots, which is part of the reason he wasnt shooting that well. He wasnt getting many easy layups.

Two fouls. He took 38 shots. You got to be kidding me. I don't care if he took all jumpshots, that's still like 99% impossible.

I look for the Lakers to come out w/ a vengeance next game.

at the same time, kobe gets away w/a lot of pulling, pushing off a la michael jordan..

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: josphII
what an absolute joke of game. could the refs possibly be any worse? *thinks back to last years sacramento series* yeah i guess they can! but seriously, kobe was getting NO love tonight from the refs. kobe was CLEARLY FOULED (hit kobe's arm as he elevated for the shot) on his last three pt attempt (when the lakers were down by 3) by bowden and got no call, of course. at least two of shaq's fouls were a complete joke. the spurs once again couldnt do anything against the laker defense near the end of the game but the lakers couldnt over come the refs fouling out oneal and non calls on bryant. what a total crock of a game!

Well, I think the Spurs hurt themselves in the 4th, not the Laker's D. I didn't notice too much of an increase in their defense, but SA just started playing sloppy and taking bad shots.

And the only bad foul call on Shaq was his last foul. But Duncan also had a bad foul call on him. And yes, SA took a lot more shots than LA (although they made few of them), but LA really wasn't playing a style of basketball that draws a lot of fouls. When you have Kobe, who I thought was played very well by Bowen, and Shaq, who settled for a lot of jump shots, taking most of the shots, then you won't go to the line much.

 

[isekii]

Did you see Phil Jackson crying like a lil bitch about foul calls..

Now he knows how it feels like to be at the end of the short stick.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Kobe's last three point attempt didnt count because he stepped on the line. It didnt matter what happened after that, he was already out of bounds.

im talking about the three pointer he took when he was faced up on bowden and the lakers had just cut the deficit to 3. kobe had made 2 consecutive threes up to that point.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Kobe wasnt driving to the basket to draw fouls. He must have been afraid of Duncan and Robinson back there. He was settling for too many jump shots, which is part of the reason he wasnt shooting that well. He wasnt getting many easy layups.

Two fouls. He took 38 shots. You got to be kidding me.

I look for the Lakers to come out w/ a vengeance next game.

He took way too many jump shots. You dont draw contact on jump shots. Kobe was taking mostly outside shots, and had either 4 or 5 shots blocked when he did take it inside.

The Lakers got called for 3 more fouls than SA all game. SA got 23 more free throws out of it. That means SA was playing aggressive to get to the line. There was no real foul disparity.

 

[Dragnov]

at the same time, kobe gets away w/a lot of pulling, pushing off a la michael jordan..

Thats nice, whats your point. Are you trying to help me prove that the refs were not consistent on how they normally call the game?

 

[AzNKiD]

hope all the laker haters see this and realize the lakers didnt brought out the refs.
it goes both way, so i hope spurs fan wont cry about it later on the series and use it as a excuse like last years kings.

ref
game1 goes for spurs. remember that

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Kobe's last three point attempt didnt count because he stepped on the line. It didnt matter what happened after that, he was already out of bounds.

im talking about the three pointer he took when he was faced up on bowden and the lakers had just cut the deficit to 3. kobe had made 2 consecutive threes up to that point.

Sorry, you are right.

Bowen held his position and had his hand up. Kobe elevated and his follow through made contact. According to NBA rules, if the defender is set and his hands are up (and set), any contact made by the offensive player is not a foul. Im not even sure the contact was made before the release, which would negate pulling up that rule.

 

[Dragnov]

He took way too many jump shots. You dont draw contact on jump shots. Kobe was taking mostly outside shots, and had either 4 or 5 shots blocked when he did take it inside.

The Lakers got called for 3 more fouls than SA all game. SA got 23 more free throws out of it. That means SA was playing aggressive to get to the line. There was no real foul disparity.

Did I state anything about a foul disparity? I stated Kobe did not get calls as the refs choked on their whistles. He took many shots in the lane with him being bumped and hit on the elbow. (As evidenced by the one where he b1tched about and inadvertently hit Duncan in the eye.)

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

He took way too many jump shots. You dont draw contact on jump shots. Kobe was taking mostly outside shots, and had either 4 or 5 shots blocked when he did take it inside.

The Lakers got called for 3 more fouls than SA all game. SA got 23 more free throws out of it. That means SA was playing aggressive to get to the line. There was no real foul disparity.

Did I state anything about a foul disparity? I stated Kobe did not get calls as the refs choked on their whistles. He took many shots in the lane with him being bumped and hit on the elbow. (As evidenced by the one where he b1tched about and inadvertently hit Duncan in the eye.)

Ok, so you are saying the foul disparity was only against Kobe, and the refs then leveled it out by giving fouls to the rest of the Laker squad. Fair enough.

My point, was that Kobe didnt get to the foul line because he wasnt drawing contact. He was shooting jumpers instead of driving. When he did drive, he had 4 or 5 of his shots blocked, and backed out and took more jumpers. Pull up one of the play by play logs on espn.com and look at Kobe's shot selection. You'll see that most every shot (besides the ones blocked) were jumpers.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.
2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

I dont know what is wrong with horry tonight...he got hit in the face at one point...then jsut started hitting people


but dont even talk about biggest flop players without mentioning Vlade Divac...that guy knows how to fall

 

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Go Lakers!

 

[First]

Couple things I'd like to say quickly...

What a great defensive game. Both the Lakers and Spurs played extremely impressive defense for the most part. What's more telling is that the Spurs were able to play defense so well for so long, I don't think I've ever seen them play that aggressively defensively before.

What a terrible loss for the Lakers in terms of Devean George, who is out for the rest of the playoffs. With Fox and George gone, I'm starting to have major doubts about the Laker's ability to win this series. Kobe and Shaq will have to play stellar basketball to come out on top in this series. Madsen and Walker must not screw up in place of George or it's over IMO.

All in all a well-played game, despite the cheap shots by Horry and Bowen (read my comments below) and the numerous non-calls for Kobe (though the Spurs played excellent defense for the most part, and stopped Kobe a few more times than is normal for him).

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

3.) I thought it was fitting how the media said Shaq would only be fueled by not getting MVP, then missing the first shot of the game, only to be rebounded by Duncan.

4.) Ginobli represented tonight.

1) Yeah, I was surprised Kobe said that, though I'm not sure if he was misquoted. Very cocky if he did say that though. Bowen certainly didn't own Kobe at all though, not sure what you're talking about. Bowen did play very good defense (albeit a bit dirty, read #2), but no matter how good a defender you are you can't stop Kobe even on a bad night, which he would consider Game 1 to be. He's still recovering from his right shoulder injury and yet shot 42% on the night, over 70% in the second half.

2) If you've watched Horry play the last 3 title runs and regular seasons, you'd know that Horry isn't himself these playoffs. His flop against KG in Round 1, his groin shot to Robinson in Round 2, and other dirty moves this playoffs have not been Horryesque (so to speak) at all. However, you'd have to be blind not to see that Bowen played very dirty in Game 1, as exemplified by his gut check to Horry's screen, which Horry immaturely reacted to by tripping him. Bowen did that same exact move to Horry earlier in the game, so maybe Horry just had had enough with Bowen's second quick gut check (though that might have been Bowen's strategy, to get Horry riled up).

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

4) Yes, Manu is freaking awesome. What a monstrous pickup for the Spurs.

 

[First]

Oh yeah, one more thing...anyone else still believe the Lakers get all the calls after watching this game? (Spurs shot 35 free throws, Lakers shot 12).

LOL, there goes that tired argument...

 

[Bullhonkie]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

i dont know if its def. right, but the announcers did say that during the game