The OFFICIAL Laker Playoff thread, GO LAKERS, GAME 3 - LA 81, SA 67, END of 3RD

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

yep

i remember he fouled out against the sixers in the finals game 2 or 3 i believe

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Couple things I'd like to say quickly...

What a great defensive game. Both the Lakers and Spurs played extremely impressive defense for the most part. What's more telling is that the Spurs were able to play defense so well for so long, I don't think I've ever seen them play that aggressively defensively before.

What a terrible loss for the Lakers in terms of Devean George, who is out for the rest of the playoffs. With Fox and George gone, I'm starting to have major doubts about the Laker's ability to win this series. Kobe and Shaq will have to play stellar basketball to come out on top in this series. Madsen and Walker must not screw up in place of George or it's over IMO.

All in all a well-played game, despite the cheap shots by Horry and Bowen (read my comments below) and the numerous non-calls for Kobe (though the Spurs played excellent defense for the most part, and stopped Kobe a few more times than is normal for him).

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

3.) I thought it was fitting how the media said Shaq would only be fueled by not getting MVP, then missing the first shot of the game, only to be rebounded by Duncan.

4.) Ginobli represented tonight.

1) Yeah, I was surprised Kobe said that, though I'm not sure if he was misquoted. Very cocky if he did say that though. Bowen certainly didn't own Kobe at all though, not sure what you're talking about. Bowen did play very good defense (albeit a bit dirty, read #2), but no matter how good a defender you are you can't stop Kobe even on a bad night, which he would consider Game 1 to be. He's still recovering from his right shoulder injury and yet shot 42% on the night, over 70% in the second half.

2) If you've watched Horry play the last 3 title runs and regular seasons, you'd know that Horry isn't himself these playoffs. His flop against KG in Round 1, his groin shot to Robinson in Round 2, and other dirty moves this playoffs have not been Horryesque (so to speak) at all. However, you'd have to be blind not to see that Bowen played very dirty in Game 1, as exemplified by his gut check to Horry's screen, which Horry immaturely reacted to by tripping him. Bowen did that same exact move to Horry earlier in the game, so maybe Horry just had had enough with Bowen's second quick gut check (though that might have been Bowen's strategy, to get Horry riled up).

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

4) Yes, Manu is freaking awesome. What a monstrous pickup for the Spurs.

1.) No, Kobe was not misquoted. It was a live interview after the game. They asked kobe something about starting off slow in the game and then heating up in the 2nd half. He responded saying that he just paces himself and can put the ball in the basket whenever he wants to.

2.) Nothing to talk about there. I didn't realize that Bowen was playing dirty, but then again, I was watching with a tainted eye.

3.) Not sure what your point was on that Shaq thing. The only thing I was trying to point out was how it is funny how the game started. It was just fitting with the way the media hyped it up. And 50% shooting is really not all that good for Shaq. If a team can hold shaq to 50% shooting for the night, then they've done a fairly good job.

4.) Yep

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Oh yeah, one more thing...anyone else still believe the Lakers get all the calls after watching this game? (Spurs shot 35 free throws, Lakers shot 12).

LOL, there goes that tired argument...

Lakers were called for 24 personal fouls. Spurs called for 20. Not such a big disparity in that respect.

Kobe wasn't getting to the basket to draw shooting fouls. He literally only drove to the basket twice in the second half, and drew a foul on one of them.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: isekii
Did you see Phil Jackson crying like a lil bitch about foul calls..

Now he knows how it feels like to be at the end of the short stick.

Phil Jackson ALWAYS plays the refs. This isn't unusual and he often states that he gets the short end of the stick (even when they don't). However, he comments for the game and not for the entire year. Sometimes hes serious, sometimes I think he's just swaying the refs. This is how the Lakers are, they don't just simply whine and whine and whine and whine....

"The key to the ballgame was (San Antonio) getting to the free-throw line,'' said Bryant, whose team had only 12 fouls shots compared to the Spurs' 35. "You can go to the refs and plead your case, but you just have to play through it.''

No one is talking about conspiracy theory, or the poor officiating. They downplay it and only state is a the Laker's opinions. I don't care how many jumpshots Kobe took. Shaq getting 3 fouls in about a minute of play. Kobe getting 2 FTA (both being and 1's). The discrepancy in FTA's per team... 3x the amount? Thats pretty much impossible.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

You're right actually. I thought I heard one of the commentators say that this was Shaq's first foul out in his playoff history, when he might have actually said it was Shaq's first foul out in this year's playoffs. My bad.

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Oh yeah, one more thing...anyone else still believe the Lakers get all the calls after watching this game? (Spurs shot 35 free throws, Lakers shot 12).

LOL, there goes that tired argument...

Lakers were called for 24 personal fouls. Spurs called for 20. Not such a big disparity in that respect.

Kobe wasn't getting to the basket to draw shooting fouls. He literally only drove to the basket twice in the second half, and drew a foul on one of them.

That stat is totally irrelevant. Non-shooting fouls do not directly result in free throws.

Anyway, Bowen fouled Kobe at least two or three times when Kobe pulled up for a jumper or fade away, one of those fouls being the potential game tier. Just one foul call could have changed the game, which makes the 35 to 12 free throws stat a big deal. Still, this is all "should have, would have, could have" talk, so we should get past it.

Point is, the Spurs played great defense tonight. It's fair to say the officials didn't give any love to Kobe in Game 1 (or Shaq for that matter), but the Spurs still played great defense.

Btw, anyone else remember that 3-pointer by the Spurs at half time? Who would have thought that that shot won the game for the Spurs. :Q

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Kobe's last three point attempt didnt count because he stepped on the line. It didnt matter what happened after that, he was already out of bounds.

im talking about the three pointer he took when he was faced up on bowden and the lakers had just cut the deficit to 3. kobe had made 2 consecutive threes up to that point.

Sorry, you are right.

Bowen held his position and had his hand up. Kobe elevated and his follow through made contact. According to NBA rules, if the defender is set and his hands are up (and set), any contact made by the offensive player is not a foul. Im not even sure the contact was made before the release, which would negate pulling up that rule.

im not talking about his follow through. bowden was on him pretty tight and had one of his hands in between kobe's two arms as kobe was holding the ball down low. as kobe went for the shot bowdens hand hit the top of kobe's forearm. kobe had just started his shot, the ball wasn't even above his waist at the time. kobe only attempted the shot because he knew he'd draw contact, which he did, but of course the refs let it go!

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

yep

i remember he fouled out against the sixers in the finals game 2 or 3 i believe

i dont remember that. i remember him fouling out against the pacers..... in OT though

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

yep

i remember he fouled out against the sixers in the finals game 2 or 3 i believe

i dont remember that. i remember him fouling out against the pacers..... in OT though

this was the summer of 2001

i would know because i have been a sixers fan all of my life

sixers won game 1

but got swept the rest of them

 

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Kobe wasnt driving to the basket to draw fouls. He must have been afraid of Duncan and Robinson back there. He was settling for too many jump shots, which is part of the reason he wasnt shooting that well. He wasnt getting many easy layups.

Two fouls. He took 38 shots. You got to be kidding me. I don't care if he took all jumpshots, that's still like 99% impossible.

I look for the Lakers to come out w/ a vengeance next game.

Yep, and they'll need it too.

 

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

3) Uh, and? Shaq had 24 points on 50% shooting, 21 rebounds (7 offensive) and several face dunks on clearly an off night for him. Did I mention that today was the first time Shaq has ever fouled out of a playoff game?

First time ever? I don't know about that, might want to check your NBA playoffs history.

yep

i remember he fouled out against the sixers in the finals game 2 or 3 i believe

i dont remember that. i remember him fouling out against the pacers..... in OT though

According to the LA Times, Shaq's foul out last night was the 8th one out of 131 playoff games.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Oh yeah, one more thing...anyone else still believe the Lakers get all the calls after watching this game? (Spurs shot 35 free throws, Lakers shot 12).

LOL, there goes that tired argument...

The fouls were about even (23-20). The reason for the difference in FTs (35-12) was that SA was being aggressive on the offensive end. If you get fouled on offense, you get to take the ball out. If you are fouled on offense while shooting, you get FTs. Thats what SA did, thats what LA failed to do.

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
No one is talking about conspiracy theory, or the poor officiating. They downplay it and only state is a the Laker's opinions. I don't care how many jumpshots Kobe took. Shaq getting 3 fouls in about a minute of play. Kobe getting 2 FTA (both being and 1's). The discrepancy in FTA's per team... 3x the amount? Thats pretty much impossible.

If its not a conspiracy, or poor officiating, what are you suggesting it is? "Impossible"? Well it happened.

SA got fouled in the act of shooting, thats how they got to the line. LA did not. It difficult to draw fouls when you have a player taking nearly half of your team's shots, and they are almost exlusively jumpers.

 

[human2k]

Early predictions:


Lakers blowout Spurs by atleast 20 pts.

 

[wicktron]

I am a big hater that likes to crap on the Lakers for fun. Thank you for ruining the Sacramento Kings thread by the Laker fans' ignorance and arrogance. So here I am in your thread making fun of your team. Who's your next option after George? Jaqueery Pargo? Samacrap Walker?

Alright, enough venting, I really didn't mean what I said, but I hate the haters. It's all love yall... Cut the crap!

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
That stat is totally irrelevant. Non-shooting fouls do not directly result in free throws.

The point is that whistles were being blown on both sides. I can't help it that Kobe drove to the rim twice in the final 24 minutes of the ball game. Bowen was not jumping to defend a lot of the outside shots, hence no body contact or even the appearance of contact, which usually seems to be enough for the refs when it comes to Kobe.

Sorry, the vast majority of Kobe's shots last night were pullup jumpers, fadeaways, threes, and a few force-me-to-the-baseline, hang-in-the-air, throw-it-up-there-and-call-a-foul-because-I'm-Kobe shots. I could see a legitimate gripe if Kobe was getting to the rim and getting hammered, but he wasn't.

Anyway, game 2 will no doubt be called differently with Kobe forcing the issue. Let's see if the Lakers can get anything out of the "supporting cast". Although they might not need to if the Spurs continue to shoot as poorly as they did in game 1.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
That stat is totally irrelevant. Non-shooting fouls do not directly result in free throws.

The point is that whistles were being blown on both sides. I can't help it that Kobe drove to the rim twice in the final 24 minutes of the ball game.

And both times he would have gotten the foul call in most any other series. Guess what, there's the game right there. I'm not even including Kobe's drives in the first half. But, this is all "should have, would have, could have" talk.

Still, fouls do not make a difference unless they're shooting fouls (or if you go over the limit). Therefore, a 35 to 12 free throw discrepancy is huge and worth mentioning. I really don't see how you think the 20 to 24 fouls stat is relevant when you don't even mention what types of fouls were being called.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

3.) I thought it was fitting how the media said Shaq would only be fueled by not getting MVP, then missing the first shot of the game, only to be rebounded by Duncan.

4.) Ginobli represented tonight.

1. kobe talks, so what's your point? 16-38 = 42%, that's just a bit under what he shoots for the season. in no way did bruce bowen own kobe

2. i agree rob hasn't been himself as of late, but he's far from the dirtiest. rob and fisher the biggest flopping duo? that's cool, i'll just go ahead and say that vlade is the single largest flopping force to ever play this game. he's the one that taught fisher how to flop, remember those years?

3. fitting? how is it fitting when shaq didn't even comment on the subject? if shaq was talking trash, and saying he should have been mvp, then it would have been fitting.

4. i'll agree that ginobli is a solid player, he's quick off the dribble, has decent outside shooting (which will improve over the next few years as his confidence grows), and he's sound defensively.

other than that, why are you always coming into lakers threads and talking crap?

why not start your own kings thread and comment about the kings vs. mavs series?

if you're a kings fan, stop bickering in a lakers thread. if anything, it just shows how whiny you kings fans are.

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: masterxfob

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

3.) I thought it was fitting how the media said Shaq would only be fueled by not getting MVP, then missing the first shot of the game, only to be rebounded by Duncan.

4.) Ginobli represented tonight.

1. kobe talks, so what's your point? 16-38 = 42%, that's just a bit under what he shoots for the season. in no way did bruce bowen own kobe

2. i agree rob hasn't been himself as of late, but he's far from the dirtiest. rob and fisher the biggest flopping duo? that's cool, i'll just go ahead and say that vlade is the single largest flopping force to ever play this game. he's the one that taught fisher how to flop, remember those years?

3. fitting? how is it fitting when shaq didn't even comment on the subject? if shaq was talking trash, and saying he should have been mvp, then it would have been fitting.

4. i'll agree that ginobli is a solid player, he's quick off the dribble, has decent outside shooting (which will improve over the next few years as his confidence grows), and he's sound defensively.

other than that, why are you always coming into lakers threads and talking crap?

why not start your own kings thread and comment about the kings vs. mavs series?

if you're a kings fan, stop bickering in a lakers thread. if anything, it just shows how whiny you kings fans are.

There is a Kings playoff thread, you non-looking LA-centric... person. You Laker people are coming into the Kings thread saying it should be locked, for no reason other than it is a Kings thread. Dude wasn't even talking crap, he was just making some points, albeit with some side comments, but not degrading the Lakers team at all.

 

[human2k]

Go lakers!

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: masterxfob

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
man, so many things to say, so little time to say it.

1.) I'm glad that Kobe sucked it up after his cocky comments after their last game..."I can put the ball in the basket any time I want." 16-38? Why would you try to shoot 16-38? You know you're having a bad game when you have more shots than you do points. Bowen p0wn3d kobe this game.

2.) Robert Horry has got to be the dirtiest player in the NBA. Tripping people, hitting people in the nuts, flopping...I mean, you name it. Him and Fisher together make about the biggest flopping duo in the NBA.

3.) I thought it was fitting how the media said Shaq would only be fueled by not getting MVP, then missing the first shot of the game, only to be rebounded by Duncan.

4.) Ginobli represented tonight.

1. kobe talks, so what's your point? 16-38 = 42%, that's just a bit under what he shoots for the season. in no way did bruce bowen own kobe

2. i agree rob hasn't been himself as of late, but he's far from the dirtiest. rob and fisher the biggest flopping duo? that's cool, i'll just go ahead and say that vlade is the single largest flopping force to ever play this game. he's the one that taught fisher how to flop, remember those years?

3. fitting? how is it fitting when shaq didn't even comment on the subject? if shaq was talking trash, and saying he should have been mvp, then it would have been fitting.

4. i'll agree that ginobli is a solid player, he's quick off the dribble, has decent outside shooting (which will improve over the next few years as his confidence grows), and he's sound defensively.

other than that, why are you always coming into lakers threads and talking crap?

why not start your own kings thread and comment about the kings vs. mavs series?

if you're a kings fan, stop bickering in a lakers thread. if anything, it just shows how whiny you kings fans are.

1. What's kobe averaging in the playoffs? I'm not positive, but i think it's in the 30 percentile. But maybe you missed my point. Kobe said he could put the ball in the hoop whenever he wanted. If so, why would he want to shoot 42%?

2. Did I say that Vlade didn't flop? And speaking of which, I actually haven't seen him flop in quite a long time.

3. Oh please...don't tell me that the lakers weren't trying to make a point about duncan getting MVP by having Shaq start off with a move against him. Shaq might not have said anything, but Phil Jackson did, and you know that it was on shaq's mind.

4. Yup

And I was just commenting on the game. Just because I'm not a laker fan doesn't mean I can't watch or talk about their game? Yes I might have added a little extra commentary, but then don't pay attention to me

 

[snowdogg187]

I hope the lakers don't get beat by the spurs this easily.

I would love to see you kings/laker fans go at it!!!!

I am a laker hater but I really do enjoy these games. Shaq is a dumbass but is forming his all around game pretty well, and kobe is a whiner but is unstoppable at times. Usually only about 1 quarter a game.

Good luck with duncan L.A. , He at least has a supporting cast unlike KG did.

 

[snowdogg187]

Also forgot to add that if the lakers by chance don't lose to SA they will be owned by the Kings!!

Just watch vlade kick shaq's yeti ass

 

[neovan]

my predictions are changed from Lakers in 4 to Lakers in 5

 

[masterxfob]

pfft, i wouldn't know if lakers fans are going into kings threads or what not. i don't like to pick fights in other threads. anyhow, if there are some bored, lonely sould out there that want to pick a fight, then so be it.

as for kobe's talk, what about tmac after they went up 3-1? what about KG after they went up 2-1? c'mon talk is cheap and we all know that, there's no reason to make big fuss about it. all i'm saying is that nobody is owning anybody in this series.

lakers trying to make a point by sending it into shaq on the first possession..........you've lost me there in what games don't they send it into shaq the first few possessions to set the tone?

and finally, you haven't seen vlade flop recently? that's like saying i haven't been breathing recently. breathing and flopping are one and the same for vlade.

edit: the rest of you lakers fans need to stop bitching in the kings thread!

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
And both times he would have gotten the foul call in most any other series. Guess what, there's the game right there. I'm not even including the Kobe's drives in the first half.

LOL, he got fouled and got a 3-pt play on one of them. The other was the wrap-around layup where he got the shot off untouched and made it. I guess his quickness worked against him on that one, maybe he should slow it down next time and draw the foul as well.

San Antonio piled up FTA's because they were going inside to their big men and because Ginobili was driving and drawing fouls. I don't know why Kobe abandoned his drives to the basket that so often get rewarded with FTA's. I don't know why Phil didn't draw up more plays to get Kobe moving without the ball and get some separation from Bowen so he could slash to the basket. The Lakers' assist total was not good (Fisher played 45 minutes and had 0 assists?!?!), they were standing around watching Kobe and Shaq on offense.

Maybe if Shaq hadn't fouled out in the 4th quarter, he would have been around to get the ball on the block and draw 2 or 3 more shooting fouls in crunch time. Maybe if Shaq hadn't lost his mind and committed three fouls in a minute, putting his team over the limit, removing himself from the game, and crippling the interior defense of the Lakers, things would have gone differently. Maybe if the Lakers had anyone (other than Shaq) who didn't look like a deer in the headlights when they got the ball in the post last night, they would have benefitted from a few more foul calls down low.

The Lakers played like crap, Kobe Bryant's outside shooting down the stretch is the only thing that kept the game close. Yes, if you fixate on the 35-12 differential and ignore the flow of the game and shot selection, you can incorrectly come to the conclusion that the calls were totally one-sided. The referees will feel the pressure of that stat as well, and I can almost guarantee that Bruce Bowen will get called for many touch fouls against Kobe in game 2, thus restoring balance to the universe and making many people happy. Hooray.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Domination.