The *Official* MSI K8NGM2-FID GeForce 6150 Motherboard Thread

[bigsnyder]

Have you tried a reset when the startup hangs? Mine occasionally gives me a fit and will not boot, the symptoms sound similiar.
Try hitting the reset button a couple of times and see what happens.

 

[zephyrus]

Originally posted by: RjG
If your P/S doesn't put out correct standby voltage then your computer will go dead in standby mode, that's why I bet on that one.

Power supplies are cheap, nice to have a spare anyway. Fortron or Sparkle 400w 120mm is about 30 bucks, very nice, quiet power supply
(Canada) www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11700AC6643&vpn=ATX-400-PN-B&manufacture=FORTRON SOURCE

Well, it's not the PSU. I just tried my brothers (a nice corsair 500w something or other). The computer behaves exactly the same; it takes multiple tries to turn it on correctly and just shuts down when I try to go into standby.

Anyone know how long an RMA would take?

 

[zephyrus]

edit: oops

 

[intradop]

Hello! as the 4200 toledo is a real bargain right now, I upgraded from 3200.
Question: is it normal that there is an intermediate Q&Q divider of 9X?
It runs at 5x, 11x and 9x

What I mean is, for example:

the prozz idles at 5x
when i run 1 instance of superPi on 0&1 it runs at 9x
when i run 2 instances of superPi, one on each core, it runs on 11x

is this normal behaviour?

 

[m074h3u5]

I've set SpeedFan to turn off the CPU fan whenever temp is around 45ºC.
Is this anyway dangerous?

 

[bigsnyder]

It shouldn't be as long as it can come on when it needs to.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: hyperdoggy
Hey Guys, my system just failed to boot(no video, no post) all the sudden overnight, has this ever happen to anyone with this mobo? I just cleaned everything and re mount the cpu and is still the same. The hard drive light won't even blink and it normally does on boot although i can still power off the system by holding the power button for 10 second. I can't tell what broke, the cpu or the mobo. Does anyone have any insight on this issue?

MSI K8NGM2-FID
AMD OPTERON 144
1gig of ram cas 2.5
maxtor HDD 80gig
His 1650 pro 256mb (removed atm)

The exact same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. You don't list you case/power supply. You wouldn't have an Antec Smart Power or True Power PSU, by chance?

You problem looks like a dead PSU. Both Antec series listed above are well-known for defective capacitors. I replaced the PSU in my system and everything went back to normal.

 

[jimcpl]

Originally posted by: Stacey Melissa
I haven't had a chance to try 3.74, but I suspect it'll have the same problem with POSTing as the 3.60 and 3.70 revisions have.

If you go to 3.13, just keep in mind that CnQ won't work in Vista, and there's no Wake from KB/mouse option.

Hi,

My daughter's system which uses the K8M2NG-FID mobo with an AMD 3000 X2 CPU, was having an occasional problem where the boot sequence would change by itself. That was with BIOS 3.50.

So, earlier this week, I used Live Update to update her BIOS to V3.70. The system worked after that, but after that, it seems to have a hard time booting. She sometimes has to power the system off/on several times in order to get it to boot properly. Sometimes, it'll show the BIOS display, then the WinXP screen with the moving bar will appear, but will go forever. Other times, the BIOS display will appear, then the screen will go black, and nothing else happens.

Is that "changing boot sequence" a known problem with V3.50, and is the 'hard-to-boot' a known problem with V3.70?

Which BIOS version is the stablest? V3.10? V3.20?

After I had flashed her system to V3.70, I decided to update my own system (same mobo) to V3.70 using Live Update. The flash seemed to go ok, but since I powered the system off after the flash, I haven't been able to get my system to boot at ALL. No BIOS display, no beeps, nothing.

I've tried the emergency flash procedure (using AMIBOOT.ROM) and also stuck a PCI video card in, but still no go.

I've contacted MSI support, and ordered a new BIOS chip, but that'll take a week or so to get here, so MY machine is dead in the water until then ...

Jim

 

[pepsimax2k]

>> was having an occasional problem where the boot sequence would change by itself.

heh, mine seems to change boot sequence whenever i change anything connected to ide. not sure what the bios is.

 

[jimcpl]

Hi,

I received two new BIOS chips from MSI yesterday, supposedly with the 3.50 and 3.70 BIOSes.

However, when I tried the new BIOS chips, I'm still not getting any POST/beeps, or video output.

I've tried removing the CMOS battery, pushing the clear CMOS button, etc., but still no joy.

Does anyone have any ideas on this?

Luckily, I took the extra precaution of ordering a new (Foxconn) motherboard, in case the BIOS chips didn't work, so I'm up again with the new mobo, but I'm still hopeful that I'll be able to get the K8NGM2-FID working again...

Jim

 

[t3hPwnag3]

I think I'm going to have my FID for sale soon.

I've got the upgrade itch again and recently bought a AM2 chip and some DDR2 memory which I can't use on this board. Man, I wish I could!!! MSI really proved to me that they we're contenders. This has been one of the two best systems I've built out of about seven total.

 

[jimcpl]

Hi,

FYI, I had some time this weekend, so I worked on trying to see if I could get my K8NGM2-FID working again.

I was successful (I'm typing this from a machine with it installed), and I'm posting in case anyone runs into this in the future.

The bottom line is that all of the BIOSes that I have (the original one flashed to 3.70, plus the two that I got from MSI) were good. The problem was just getting the mobo to boot/POST/beep and display video.

After a lot of searching, I found some posts on the MSI AMD mobo forum that mentioned trying to boot the mobo with just a single stick of RAM (I had 4x1GB installed), and when I removed all of the memory sticks except for the one nearest the CPU, the mobo POSTED/beeped, and I had video!!

Once that happened, I went into BIOS setup and set optimal defaults, saved the settings, then pwered down the machine. I then put all 4 sticks of RAM back in, and powered the machine on again, and it again POSTed.

I've tested with all 3 BIOS chips, and they all work.

I did notice some flakiness with booting with the original BIOS (sometimes would hang with a black screen with just a blinking cursor), which was now at 3.70, so I made a floppy with the 3.50 BIOS and AFUxxx.exe, and flashed the BIOS back to 3.50 with the "/C" command line parameter.

It's been stable since then.

Anyway, I hope that this helps someone in the future!!

Jim

 

[cjsketchy]

I've been running this mobo for more than a year, but I finally made the switch from a 3000+ Venice and 2x512MB RAM to an X2 3800+ and 2x1GB. I put everything together and got no POST/no video. Reset the CMOS and still no dice. So I came on here and read jimcpl's experiences about switching which slots the RAM is installed in, did a bit of swapping myself, and voila! She boots perfectly after I switched from the 2 slots closest to the CPU (didn't boot) to the 2 slots away from the CPU (worked great)! So, thanks jimcpl for sharing your experiences, they certainly helped me

 

[imported_jawgee]

About a month ago, a little while after upgrading to the 3.70 BIOS, I've been unable to shutdown my PC. I mean, I'll click "Shutdown" in Windows XP SP2, but it won't really go into shutdown mode. It will go into some sort of sleep/hiberbation/suspend/coma mode that it cannot wake from. I'll press the power button...nothing. Rest button? Same thing. The only reason why I think it's in a suspend type mode is that the power LED in my case blinks slowly at me, just like when it's in standby. Normally when it's in standby, I can press the power button to wake it up or press a key on my keyboard, but no dice using those methods at this juncture. I've even shut the power off on both the power supply and from the outlet, but somehow when I plug it back in, it remembers that it's in a coma.:Q

Other things that I've tried are reformatting with Windows XP SP2 (well, the TinyXP Platinum 2 edition, ahem) and trying three different video card variations - onboard, 7600GT, 8600GTS - no luck.

The ONLY way that I've been able to power the machine back up is by removing the CMOS battery. I've even pressed/held the CMOS button a bunch of times to no avail...only removal of the battery works. This further supports by theory of a BIOS conspiracy.

Has anyone ever come across this sort of behavior with this or any other board?? I've Googled the heck out of this issue, but I've not come across a single instance of this unique problem.

My next course of action, barring an enlightening reply on this board, is to upgrade to the beta BIOS from MSI (3.71, I believe). If that doesn't work, I'll downgrade to 3.50, 3.20, and 3.10 to see if any of those work. I don't want to have to try different HW combos since I'm all out of AMD compatible mobos and PSUs. I suppose if the firmware cha-cha doesn't work, I'll have to go down that path.

Thanks,
jawgee

 

[Roca05]

Hi, I need to upgrade my cpu as my current cpu doesn't multi task very well. I currently have an Athlon 3200 Venice and I would like to upgrade it to an Opteron 180 (on socket 939) the problem is I already checked and the generic fan for the opteron 180 is for a 4 pin connection while my motherboard (the MSI K8NGM2-FID) only supports a 3 pin connection. I still haven't gotten the cpu but I wanted to know if it was possible to use it with this motherboard. Thanks.

 

[renethx]

You may use the 4-pin PWM fan, but the fan speed will not change (the fan always will run at full speed). The cheapest way to fix it is buy a 3-pin fan.

Edited

The above statement ("the fan speed will not change") turned out to be wrong!

 

[Roca05]

Can't it be fixed with cool and quiet turned on?

 

[renethx]

Originally posted by: Roca05
Can't it be fixed with cool and quiet turned on?

You are right. I tested Scythe Kama 92mm PWM fan with my K8NGM2-FID and found that the fan speed changed just like a 3-pin fan.

 

[mcjm73]

Hello everyone first time poster on this forum, although I have been reading this thread on and off over the last year and a half. This is a great source of info for this motherboard by the way, thanks to all the great posts by everybody. My question has to do with Vista I am considering wiping my system clean due to a few problems with XP and have been thinking about switching to Vista Home Premium. I would like to know some of the issues and problems you have had. I did a search on this thread and only found a few things but would like some more input before I make my decision. My system is pretty basic 1 gig ram 3800 X2 cpu and I use the onboard sound and video. All input is greatly apreciated.

Thanks MM

 

[Rhoxed]

Originally posted by: jawgee
About a month ago, a little while after upgrading to the 3.70 BIOS, I've been unable to shutdown my PC. I mean, I'll click "Shutdown" in Windows XP SP2, but it won't really go into shutdown mode. It will go into some sort of sleep/hiberbation/suspend/coma mode that it cannot wake from. I'll press the power button...nothing. Rest button? Same thing. The only reason why I think it's in a suspend type mode is that the power LED in my case blinks slowly at me, just like when it's in standby. Normally when it's in standby, I can press the power button to wake it up or press a key on my keyboard, but no dice using those methods at this juncture. I've even shut the power off on both the power supply and from the outlet, but somehow when I plug it back in, it remembers that it's in a coma.:Q

Other things that I've tried are reformatting with Windows XP SP2 (well, the TinyXP Platinum 2 edition, ahem) and trying three different video card variations - onboard, 7600GT, 8600GTS - no luck.

The ONLY way that I've been able to power the machine back up is by removing the CMOS battery. I've even pressed/held the CMOS button a bunch of times to no avail...only removal of the battery works. This further supports by theory of a BIOS conspiracy.

Has anyone ever come across this sort of behavior with this or any other board?? I've Googled the heck out of this issue, but I've not come across a single instance of this unique problem.

My next course of action, barring an enlightening reply on this board, is to upgrade to the beta BIOS from MSI (3.71, I believe). If that doesn't work, I'll downgrade to 3.50, 3.20, and 3.10 to see if any of those work. I don't want to have to try different HW combos since I'm all out of AMD compatible mobos and PSUs. I suppose if the firmware cha-cha doesn't work, I'll have to go down that path.

Thanks,
jawgee

was the system overclocked when you installed windows? I had a similar problem (pc wouldnt shut down from windows, although the reset button did work) i also could not close a Media Player without it also taking the sound with it or freezing the comp. I later found out the settings i used to Install the OS were not 100% stable. I re-installed XP with 100% stock settings, and windows now has no problems. Also worked with Vista

mcjm73:: Hello everyone first time poster on this forum, although I have been reading this thread on and off over the last year and a half. This is a great source of info for this motherboard by the way, thanks to all the great posts by everybody. My question has to do with Vista I am considering wiping my system clean due to a few problems with XP and have been thinking about switching to Vista Home Premium. I would like to know some of the issues and problems you have had. I did a search on this thread and only found a few things but would like some more input before I make my decision. My system is pretty basic 1 gig ram 3800 X2 cpu and I use the onboard sound and video. All input is greatly apreciated.

I have a 3800+ x2 with both XP and Vista installed (different HD's) So far the only problems i have noticed with Vista is the dual monitor support for Nvidia cards lacks, and also it has trouble with SPDIF sound and DD5.1 or DTS audio (will not change amp settings) so for home theater use i stick with XP still, but for gaming, and general use Vista seems to work flawlessly with my system.

 

[Roca05]

Originally posted by: renethx

Originally posted by: Roca05
Can't it be fixed with cool and quiet turned on?

You are right. I tested Scythe Kama 92mm PWM fan with my K8NGM2-FID and found that the fan speed changed just like a 3-pin fan.

Hi, I already bought the Opteron 180, it is on its way. However, I still have one more question. Is it true that you have to disable smart cpu fan in the bios, so that my motherboard will provide full power to the CPU Fan connector so that the fan will spin at full speed? I read this over at the planetamd64.com forums, however this information was intended for an Asus motherboard, so I don't know if it applies to the MSI K8NGM2-FID motherboard.

 

[renethx]

Yes, if you set "Smart Fan Target Temperature" to "Disabled", then the fan should run at the full speed whatever the CPU temerature is.

 

[Roca05]

Sorry, my question here should have been "Which is the best way to control fan speeds? Using cool n' quiet? or Using Smart fan?" and "Does Smart fan work at all with my current setup?" (a 4 pin fan on a 3 header motherboard) BTW - thank you very much for your speedy responses.

 

[renethx]

The "Quiet" part of Cool'n'Quiet is nothing but the Smart Fan feature of the Super I/O chip W83627EHF. W83627EHF supports both DC mode (for 3-pin fan) and PWM mode (for 4-pin fan). But the motheboard uses only DC mode. You can still control a 4-pin PWM fan in DC mode with this mb. You can configure Smart Fan in BIOS or a software utility like SpeedFan. SpeedFan offers the most sophisticated fan control.

If you want to learn more, please read the manual of W83627EHF:

http://www.winbond-usa.com/pro...83627EHF_W83627EHG.pdf

 

[Roca05]

I just finished installing my cpu and my idle temperature is 47 degrees Celsius and my fan RPM is at 3000. I have stock everything even thermal paste. I knew my temperatures weren't going to be the best because I was using stock everything. However I'm kind of disappointed right now when seeing my temperatures so high. I have Bios 3.5 and according to MSI's web site I should be covered. (Bios 3.4 was the CPU update, and BIOS 3.6 and 3.7 are only for improving sound and Cool and Quiet under vista. I even called MSI and they told me I should be covered) I also have some Arctic Silver 5 stored that I haven't used. Do you think that flashing my board could help with the temperatures? Or should I fist try using the Arctic Silver 5?