The official Nexus 5 thread.

[thedosbox]

Sheeeeeeiiiiittttt...

I'd say a N5 is worth $300 more than a Moto X.

So, you're saying the Moto X is only worth $50? Given the cost in parts alone, that's clearly ridiculous - though not as bad as charging $650 for the Dev Edition.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Just did the unboxing:

• Kitkat looks sexy. A lot more polish.
• Screen looks 100x better than a stock N4 screen. It's much better calibrated. How good? We'll have to see the objective details.
• Annoyed at AOSP's limitations compared to CyanogenMod.

Thoughts on the camera:

• Same bad interface
• But interface is only one part of it. You can still have a great sensor, optics, and great processing for beautiful photos. It's a step up from the N4, but it isn't amazing.
• I wish the burst mode was faster. Everyone who always says with HDR you need to stand really still, say that to an iPhone 5 user. That thing shoots 8 fps. Even a GS3 or HTC One X do 6-8 fps and can capture the HDR photo in no time. The frame rates of this thing is similar to an iPhone 4 or 4s doing HDR. It's kinda sad. I take HDR photos on my iPhone 5 by default and rarely do I have to worry about standing still. It's only been an issue on my N4, and it looks to be the same on the N5.

 

[stlc8tr]

I think AT&T will unlock any device you have through them that's at least 6 months old, provided you've paid on time, etc, etc.

Their help page says this about unlocking:

http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB414532&cv=820#fbid=Il5jemliRkH

In addition to the general eligibility requirements, you must meet the following requirements to unlock a phone or tablet you purchased with a Service Commitment (contract) if you're a postpaid customer:

1. Your account must be in good standing (i.e., it has no past due amount or unpaid balance owed AT&T).

2. You've satisfied all contract obligations, including any Service Commitment associated with the device to be unlocked, in one of the following ways:

a. Fulfillment of the Service Commitment by expiration of any contractual term
b. Payment of any applicable Early Termination Fee
c. Upgrading to a new device under AT&T standard or early upgrade policies

But perhaps AT&T allows their CSRs more discretion on unlocking?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

A lot of bugs. Two FCs and my Whatsapp download bar for Play Store download went past 100% to 117% and to 138% before it installed. LOL?

Stock ROM btw, and I have only 2 additional apps installed so far (Solid Explorer, and Whatsapp).

 

[bearxor]

So, you're saying the Moto X is only worth $50? Given the cost in parts alone, that's clearly ridiculous - though not as bad as charging $650 for the Dev Edition.

No, that's not what I said. In my opinion, a Nexus 5 priced at $650 and a Moto X priced at $349 would actually make more sense than the complete opposite.

Their help page says this about unlocking:

http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB414532&cv=820#fbid=Il5jemliRkH



But perhaps AT&T allows their CSRs more discretion on unlocking?

It's my understanding, at least in the past few years, that if you were traveling overseas AT&T is actually fairly lenient about unlocking your device unless it was an iPhone. I don't know if that's changed since AT&T cracked down on their unlocking in the past couple of months.

 

[Ns1]

It's my understanding, at least in the past few years, that if you were traveling overseas AT&T is actually fairly lenient about unlocking your device unless it was an iPhone. I don't know if that's changed since AT&T cracked down on their unlocking in the past couple of months.

Are you out of contract? Then AT&T will unlock your phone
Are you in a contract and willing to pay the ETF to get out of the contract? Then AT&T will unlock your phone

If your answer is NO to either one of these questions, AT&T will not unlock your phone.

 

[gsaldivar]

A lot of bugs. LOL?

Well, it's a new OS... Developers need time to update their apps.

 

[Zivic]

Sheeeeeeiiiiittttt...

I'd say a N5 is worth $300 more than a Moto X.

as a moto X user, the N5 better be a hell of a phone to even be on par with the moto X regardless of price.

I impulse bought the N5, which I will get tomorrow, and I am kind of regretting making the purchase based on the reviews I am seeing. I think the battery life on the N5 is going to be very bad compared to the moto X. I think the only benefit of the N5 is the kit kat OS out of the box. the moto X is getting it, so not sure how much of a benefit that will be in a time.

you can throw all the specs you want at me about screen resolution and processor, but at the end of the day, neither of those things are going to make the overall experience better. The 5" screen is a plus, but the small form factor of the Moto X whilst packing a 4.7" screen is great

I have personally used
Nexus 1
Iphone 4 and 4S (played with a 5s a little)
Galaxy Nexus
Nexus 4
Nokia 900
samsung S4

I carry a moto X for about a month now and it is far and away the best phone I have ever used. every nexus phone I have had has always had issues... from the charging issues on the GN, to the crap battery, camera, and speakers on the N4. The more I think about it, I am not even the least bit excited for ups to drop off the 5 tomorrow

edit:
if you all want to know what makes the moto X so good -
1.)Buttery smooth. snappiest phone I have personally used
2.) big enough screen in a form factor that is extremely nice to hold in the hand
3.) notifications.
4.)Okay Google now functions from locked state
5.)basically stock android
6.) great battery life
7.) custom colors at no extra charge

 

[Zivic]

Just did the unboxing:

Thoughts on the camera:

• Same bad interface
  I don't mind the interface. I prefer the simplicity
  
• But interface is only one part of it. You can still have a great sensor, optics, and great processing for beautiful photos. It's a step up from the N4, but it isn't amazing.
  N4 camera flat out sucked, so to say it is only a step up from that is troubling IMHO
  
• I wish the burst mode was faster. Everyone who always says with HDR you need to stand really still, say that to an iPhone 5 user. That thing shoots 8 fps. Even a GS3 or HTC One X do 6-8 fps and can capture the HDR photo in no time. The frame rates of this thing is similar to an iPhone 4 or 4s doing HDR. It's kinda sad. I take HDR photos on my iPhone 5 by default and rarely do I have to worry about standing still. It's only been an issue on my N4, and it looks to be the same on the N5.

I have seen reviews that the shutter speed is slow and burst mode was kind of a joke.

I think we are getting what we paid for.... not that it's a bad phone, but now days, it goes beyond what processor the phone has and/or how many megapixels the camera has.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Well, it's a new OS... Developers need time to update their apps.

Yes, but I'm getting Android FCs. Like media FC and play store FC. Then the bug I described was related to the play store. I have rebooted and it's fine so far. Maybe those 2 apps broke my Kitkat, but maybe not.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Now THAT is good. I'm even more curious to see proper battery life tests now.

I feel like this is overhyped. In proper standby the radio doesn't drain that much. This is like saying the iPhone could be made to standby 50% longer. The difficulty in getting Android to behave with battery has always been wakelocks. No wakelocks? You can get GREAT idle even on an old Galaxy S2. Wakelocks? You're screwed. This is like saying they're working on making sure when the faucet leaks, it leaks less, but I'd rather have them stop the leaks to begin with.

Addressing the wakelocks associated with Google Location settings and drain from Google Now would be a good start.

 

[zerogear]

at&t is fairly good about unlocking your phone if you are traveling overseas unless it.s an iPhone or it's an AT&T Exclusive phone -- Although nowadays they lock all the bootloaders on their phones.

 

[thedosbox]

No, that's not what I said. In my opinion, a Nexus 5 priced at $650 and a Moto X priced at $349 would actually make more sense than the complete opposite.

This only makes sense to me if you place no value on software. But as this isn't the Moto X thread, let's just agree to disagree.

 

[lothar]

Noted. I inferred it. I didn't really see a point in mentioning something that happened three days ago and had already been fixed well before your post so I took it as the general "OMG BB SUCKS!" consensus that's been going around since Friday. A lot of people seem awfully upset at this misstep by BB.

-I mentioned in my first Bestbuy post that there is a $100 premium.
-Another user quoted my post and commented on the $100 premium price.
-I mentioned to that user that it was actually much more than that before, that they changed the price.

If my post were read in the order that they were posted, I'm not exactly sure how one would reach such a conclusion.
I did acknowledge that the pricing issue has been fixed by posting the correct $100 premium price the first time, and mentioned that "it was $799 prior" in another subsequent post, again implying that whatever issue(assuming there was one in the first place) had been fixed.

 

[Seven]

as a moto X user, the N5 better be a hell of a phone to even be on par with the moto X regardless of price.

I impulse bought the N5, which I will get tomorrow, and I am kind of regretting making the purchase based on the reviews I am seeing. I think the battery life on the N5 is going to be very bad compared to the moto X. I think the only benefit of the N5 is the kit kat OS out of the box. the moto X is getting it, so not sure how much of a benefit that will be in a time.

you can throw all the specs you want at me about screen resolution and processor, but at the end of the day, neither of those things are going to make the overall experience better. The 5" screen is a plus, but the small form factor of the Moto X whilst packing a 4.7" screen is great

I have personally used
Nexus 1
Iphone 4 and 4S (played with a 5s a little)
Galaxy Nexus
Nexus 4
Nokia 900
samsung S4

I carry a moto X for about a month now and it is far and away the best phone I have ever used. every nexus phone I have had has always had issues... from the charging issues on the GN, to the crap battery, camera, and speakers on the N4. The more I think about it, I am not even the least bit excited for ups to drop off the 5 tomorrow

edit:
if you all want to know what makes the moto X so good -
1.)Buttery smooth. snappiest phone I have personally used
2.) big enough screen in a form factor that is extremely nice to hold in the hand
3.) notifications.
4.)Okay Google now functions from locked state
5.)basically stock android
6.) great battery life
7.) custom colors at no extra charge

Prepare to get disappointed. Waiting for your review.

 

[Zivic]

Prepare to get disappointed. Waiting for your review.

I hope I am pleasantly surprised. I want this phone to be the best

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I'm curious about more comparison between moto x and the N5 too. Moto is smaller, better battery (?) and cheaper (since I could get it on contract), but I'm put off by the carrier/moto software BS mentioned in the review. Having (only) used stock android I'm not sure if I could put up with that. And using a GNex now the battery life could hardly get any worse. So maybe the N5 is the best choice.

I'm also struggling to find out whether I could buy an iphone on contract and ebay it without activating. Some say you can, some say you can't.

 

[bearxor]

You can throw all the specs you want at me about screen resolution and processor, but at the end of the day, neither of those things are going to make the overall experience better.

I don't disagree with you. But, is that software worth $300? I, and a lot of people, don't think so.

I have no question that the Moto X is a great phone and a great experience. But it's horribly overpriced. For the price, I'd much rather buy a higher-spec device that will probably get most of the software features of the moto X (for example, 'Ok, Google' in KitKat) in a future update.

 

[cbrunny]

N5s must be arriving into hands of consumers by now... What's the reaction so far?

 

[bearxor]

I'm also struggling to find out whether I could buy an iphone on contract and ebay it without activating. Some say you can, some say you can't.

Buy it and activate it. They don't open the box to activate it. Then get a new SIM for your current phone and have the service switched over to it. Get an extra NanoSIM for the iPhone 5S so you can include it to your buyer and make life easier on them.

Then you can still sell your phone NIB.

 

[996GT2]

For those who have gotten their N5s, how's the battery life? How much screen-on time can you get on an average day?

 

[Viper GTS]

I don't think anyone has had it long enough to have a good idea. I'll keep mine off the charging pad today so i can post a screenshot later.

Initial impressions are good, very glad to be back on a Nexus. I probably won't stray again.

Viper GTS

 

[Zivic]

I don't disagree with you. But, is that software worth $300? I, and a lot of people, don't think so.

I have no question that the Moto X is a great phone and a great experience. But it's horribly overpriced. For the price, I'd much rather buy a higher-spec device that will probably get most of the software features of the moto X (for example, 'Ok, Google' in KitKat) in a future update.

the specs don't mean much anymore. I can pair my phone against my wifes S4 that technically is a better spec'd phone. besides a physically larger screen, the moto X is the phone I would chose to use. the moto X is still has 8 cores... is it a problem that the "main" processor is last years spec? not when it is as fast (or faster) than anything I have personally used and has great battery life..

At some point we need to start looking at the overall performance of the device rather than specs on paper. You would rather buy a higher spec phone even if that doesn't equate to a better experience? from what I am seeing in reviews, the software features of the nexus 5, Like the "OK Google", is not anywhere close to what the moto X offers.

the notifications is a big thing I like on the moto X, this isn't coming to the N5 from what I can see

even the cool twist to open the camera is something kind of gimmicky, but is useful. that leads me into the camera which I am seeing mixed reviews about. Some reviews say it isn't as good as the moto X camera, which most reviewers state is the biggest let down of the X.

I can live with a half-@ssed camera. I've mainly only used nexus devices so I am used to bad cameras. What I am sick of is crap battery life. I could put up with it on the GN because I could swap batteries, but the N4 just flat out sucked. Then moving to the moto X I realize I can have a stock android experience and not have the negatives that owning a nexus device comes with.

In the end, if this phone has crap battery life it will kill the overall experience. I think most would agree that we should be seeing the biggest advancements in this area because the other aspects of these devices are so good. Pair that with the fact most phones now have sealed battery setups it makes it even more important to have good battery life.

Personally I am over the PPI, when anything over 300 or so is overkill and the colors become more influential. I am kind of over the 5" screen size as well. I was a bigger is better kind of guy but using my wife's S4 made me realize that 5" is the tipping point. ~4.7" is a nice sweet spot that still allows single hand opperation. In time, I think the overall footprints will come down in size and make a 5" screen more usable... that said, I still see the appeal of the 5"+ screen. I think we are sacrficing battery life with these larger screens and the marginal screen increase means we need larger batteries. In the case of the Nexus 5 we just don't get that larger battery.

I am over the faster processors when they don't matter for anything I use and can lead to increase battery draw.

I look at Nexus 5 like I did the Galaxy Nexus. the GN should have been a great phone and it really wasn't. I know I keep singing the praises of the Moto X, but the moto X is everything the GN should have been... from a nice screen, to great form factor, to just an overall good experience. I got a lot of miles out of my GN, but it wasn't without a lot of headaches

I will have my N5 today and I am really hoping all my negative expectations are off basis, but realistically I think they are on the mark. I will probably pass the N5 off on my wife or resell it and continue using my moto X

 

[bearxor]

the moto X is still has 8 cores...

Ooook... Never mind. You've clearly bought in to moto's marketing hook, line and sinker.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

the notifications is a big thing I like on the moto X, this isn't coming to the N5 from what I can see

I don't know if it's exactly the same, but dynamic notifications claim to do the same thing. I tried it but didn't find it terribly useful. Maybe because I have a PIN lock? (but doesn't everyone?)