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lothar

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Battery capacity seems to have only gone up slightly though, which is annoying.
I agree.
Unfortunately Google chose to listen to the vocal smartphone camera addicts which meant the battery got the short end of the stick.
I'd much rather Google kept the 3,000mAh battery on the LG G2 and downgrade the camera back to Moto X quality instead.
 

lothar

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Is there any proof that Google subsidise the Nexus devices or is this the case of repeat something a million times and it wont be questioned anymore?

PS: i can get a better subsidise from the "local mafia" then you get form the operators.
There is absolutely no proof that Google does this, but yet it keeps getting repeated by people here that are supposed to be technology enthusiast.
I'm guessing that those people don't know what the word subsidized(or any of it's derivatives) actually means.
 

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Is there any proof that Google subsidise the Nexus devices or is this the case of repeat something a million times and it wont be questioned anymore?

No proof at all, plenty of proof if the opposite. Google does sell the Nexii devices for damn near cost though, with little to no profit on the bottom end models. As the onboard storage rises on the higher SKUs, they make a decent margin. ~50 dollars for a nickel worth of flash memory will do that.
 

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Looks like someone on the Verge already has some renders made



Nexus 5 visualised

OMG! Does the 5 stand for 5ame?!

All sarcasm aside, if this thing launches with the specs of the G2 at the price of the N4 then this is the killer Android phone, IMO. I couldn't imagine buying any other device unless you're on Verizon and, in that case, you really only have your carrier to blame.
 
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I agree.
Unfortunately Google chose to listen to the vocal smartphone camera addicts which meant the battery got the short end of the stick.
I'd much rather Google kept the 3,000mAh battery on the LG G2 and downgrade the camera back to Moto X quality instead.
Why would you have to downgrade the camera to get 3000 mAh? The G2 packs it all in with a very small form factor for a 5.2" phone. But honestly with a 2300 mAh battery, it's only roughly 10% worse than a GS4. If the new Nexus can optimize the software well enough that it matches the GS4 or is only 10% worse, then I won't complain.

However, knowing how Google has been traditionally with battery life, I highly doubt it will be just 10% worse than the GS4.
 

lothar

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Why would you have to downgrade the camera to get 3000 mAh? The G2 packs it all in with a very small form factor for a 5.2" phone. But honestly with a 2300 mAh battery, it's only roughly 10% worse than a GS4. If the new Nexus can optimize the software well enough that it matches the GS4 or is only 10% worse, then I won't complain.

However, knowing how Google has been traditionally with battery life, I highly doubt it will be just 10% worse than the GS4.
Because I'm sure LG would want Google to sacrifice something to make their own Optimus G2 standout from the Nexus and look superior. I don't use the camera on my phone much so it's just one of those things I don't mind sacrificing for other things that provide an actual measurable day to day tangible benefit(ex: battery life).

GS4 battery life was good when it was released in April. Now it's just "average".
Would have preferred to have either Razr MAXX/LG G2/Galaxy Note II battery like performance on the Nexus 5 integrated battery or at least make a user replaceable battery.
 

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So it's a Sprint G2 variant with gutted battery life then.

Seems like it. Though anands review would indicate its gutted battery life would probably still be better than say an HTC one or an s4. I mean you don't need as big a fuel tank if you figured out a way to turn a mustang into a Prius fuel economy
 

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Yes a phone that has LTE for everyone except Verizon and also pentaband hspa+.
Facepalm.

that doesn't mean its not a sprint variant. the LTE radio is going to be the same chip used in a lot of units. and they still would have hspa support for roaming.

i'm fairly certain the sprint galaxy s4 has hspa+ support. if they are using an LTE chip that supports multiple bands, its already there.

its entirely likely evleaks is wrong,but still. not impossible they aren't right either.
 
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Because I'm sure LG would want Google to sacrifice something to make their own Optimus G2 standout from the Nexus and look superior. I don't use the camera on my phone much so it's just one of those things I don't mind sacrificing for other things that provide an actual measurable day to day tangible benefit(ex: battery life).

I get that this explanation gets thrown around time and time again, but no one has really proven it either. It's a good theory, and to me it doesn't really matter if it's the correct reason or not, but we really need to stop using this explanation as some sort of crutch. I mean is everyone satisfied that here we are cheering on a phone to come out that will be neutered in some way?

I don't really think that's the image Google wants in the end either, and the bad battery life of the Galaxy Nexus certainly made them rethink the battery life of the Nexus 4 also. Yes, I can accept at the end of the day that the next Nexus might be gimped in some shape or form, it's not something I feel should be explained away. That's why my viewpoint is that it has got to stop and it should be a flagship phone. After all, where are the cries for the Nexus 7 to be gimped so it doesn't destroy the sales of other 7" tablets?

GS4 battery life was good when it was released in April. Now it's just "average".
Would have preferred to have either Razr MAXX/LG G2/Galaxy Note II battery like performance on the Nexus 5 integrated battery or at least make a user replaceable battery.
It's still got great battery life. It does well in the GSMArena standby tests too. The Maxx isn't really comparable because we know it's designed to outdo a regular phone, so the non MAXX version is the one to compare to. The Note 2 is a different platform and thus once again doesn't make as much sense to compare to. The G2 I'll give you does a lot better, but in the end got the same endurance rating on GSMArena.
 

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The Maxx isn't really comparable because we know it's designed to outdo a regular phone, so the non MAXX version is the one to compare to. The Note 2 is a different platform and thus once again doesn't make as much sense to compare to. The G2 I'll give you does a lot better, but in the end got the same endurance rating on GSMArena.

The Maxx is the flagship phone from Moto. It's perfectly fair to compare it to other flagships. It's not Moto's fault if other manufacturers skimp on battery for their flagship models (Samsung does not for the Note line as an example).
 

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I get that this explanation gets thrown around time and time again, but no one has really proven it either. It's a good theory, and to me it doesn't really matter if it's the correct reason or not, but we really need to stop using this explanation as some sort of crutch. I mean is everyone satisfied that here we are cheering on a phone to come out that will be neutered in some way?
No smartphone out there is perfect so technically all smartphones are neutered in some way.
I have yet to find a phone that isn't neutered in some way whether it's CPU/GPU/LTE/Screen/Battery/Camera/Capacitive buttons/ridiculous button placements/lack of NFC/lack of Notification LED/Android updates/unlocked boot loader capability/custom ROM support/*.*(or anything else that I may have missed including but not limited to stupid TouchWiz and Sense type launchers and gimmicks bugging down the system).
What's your crutch for all the $600-800 phones missing some features?
Why is it okay to use it as a crutch on a $600-800 phone, but not a $400 Nexus device? I don't get the point you're trying to make here.

There is no phone on the planet that isn't neutered in some way. My only choice is to pick what I think represents the best value based on features advertised, features missing, and my needs and wants.

I don't really think that's the image Google wants in the end either, and the bad battery life of the Galaxy Nexus certainly made them rethink the battery life of the Nexus 4 also. Yes, I can accept at the end of the day that the next Nexus might be gimped in some shape or form, it's not something I feel should be explained away. That's why my viewpoint is that it has got to stop and it should be a flagship phone. After all, where are the cries for the Nexus 7 to be gimped so it doesn't destroy the sales of other 7" tablets?
Is the manufacturer(ASUS) of the Nexus 7 selling a more expensive 7" tablet?
I fail to see your point here because the manufacturer doesn't, so it's not possible for any "cries" to exist.

It's still got great battery life. It does well in the GSMArena standby tests too. The Maxx isn't really comparable because we know it's designed to outdo a regular phone, so the non MAXX version is the one to compare to. The Note 2 is a different platform and thus once again doesn't make as much sense to compare to. The G2 I'll give you does a lot better, but in the end got the same endurance rating on GSMArena.
The Maxx is still a regular phone and not a phablet like the Galaxy Note, and last time I checked it is the flagship phone for Motorola.
Every phone's battery life out there should be compared to it.
This goes back to your "crutch" argument and now you're using the same "crutch" excuse you accused me and other people of to claim that because the Maxx is designed to outdo a regular phone on the same platform, it shouldn't really be compared to.

The Galaxy Note is a different platform(phablets), I'll give you that.
But the Maxx is most certainly not.
 

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I'm pretty sure the X is the flagship, not the Maxx.

The Maxx is also an anomaly in smartphone batteries. An anomaly everyone wishes the OEMs would chase, but to call it some sort of de-facto isn't right, either. So, relegating the S4's battery life to "average" means nothing, especially when you consider how the average has been improving steadily over time.

I'll be happy just knowing if I can go a full day without worries. Capacity plays a role, but to think it's the only factor shows some ignorance.
 

lothar

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that doesn't mean its not a sprint variant. the LTE radio is going to be the same chip used in a lot of units. and they still would have hspa support for roaming.

i'm fairly certain the sprint galaxy s4 has hspa+ support. if they are using an LTE chip that supports multiple bands, its already there.

its entirely likely evleaks is wrong,but still. not impossible they aren't right either.
@evleaks is probably wrong.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-to-evleaks-its-a-cdma-compatible-g2-variant/
 
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The Maxx is the flagship phone from Moto. It's perfectly fair to compare it to other flagships. It's not Moto's fault if other manufacturers skimp on battery for their flagship models (Samsung does not for the Note line as an example).

The MAXX is a special purpose phone. It's as much as a flagship as the NON-MAXX version. It's sole purpose is providing a maximized battery. Of course its battery is going to be better than its competitors. There's no doubt about that, but you can't really ding the competitors non MAXX phones for not beating a MAXX. The fact that Motorola even creates two versions acknowledges that these are two different products.

It's like saying the Honda Accord sucks at fuel economy (before Honda re-introduced the Hybrid Accord) because the Camry Hybrid gets better mileage. Well duh, a hybrid is going to do much better. When comparing the two cars you should obviously be comparing the two non-hybrid versions for fuel economy. Probably not the best example now that hybrids are everywhere, but you get my point.

You can praise the MAXX, and that's fully fair, but to say the GS4 or HTC One sucks because it doesn't last as long as the MAXX would be unfair. You should be comparing it against the non-MAXX. If anything, it's Samsung or HTC's wrongdoing to not have a MAXX phone or whatever, and really doesn't make their flagship phones any worse than they are.
 

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You can praise the MAXX, and that's fully fair, but to say the GS4 or HTC One sucks because it doesn't last as long as the MAXX would be unfair. You should be comparing it against the non-MAXX. If anything, it's Samsung or HTC's wrongdoing to not have a MAXX phone or whatever, and really doesn't make their flagship phones any worse than they are.

Well I didn't say the other flagships sucked, just that Moto has shown they can make a phone with great battery life, and I give props to them for doing it. You don't exclude the Maxx from comparisons though, if Moto can do it why can't the other OEMs?
 
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No smartphone out there is perfect so technically all smartphones are neutered in some way.
I have yet to find a phone that isn't neutered in some way whether it's CPU/GPU/LTE/Screen/Battery/Camera/Capacitive buttons/ridiculous button placements/lack of NFC/lack of Notification LED/Android updates/unlocked boot loader capability/custom ROM support/*.*(or anything else that I may have missed including but not limited to stupid TouchWiz and Sense type launchers and gimmicks bugging down the system).
What's your crutch for all the $600-800 phones missing some features?
Why is it okay to use it as a crutch on a $600-800 phone, but not a $400 Nexus device? I don't get the point you're trying to make here.

There is no phone on the planet that isn't neutered in some way. My only choice is to pick what I think represents the best value based on features advertised, features missing, and my needs and wants.

I'm not saying that every phone has to be perfect. You can find cons for any phone (GS4: plasticky build, HTC One: no removable sd card, no removable battery), but I wouldn't call any of these features as neutering the phone. They are viewed as features. Plasticky = light, and nonremovable sd card and battery = better build quality, smaller form factor.

Now let's take the Nexus 4 and its cons. No LTE and limited storage space. I'm not sure you can call either of these features. Now the LTE one I can get if Google's excuse about battery were more accurate, but phones from 2012 had no problem with LTE and battery.

You can probably point to shortcomings of other phones, but those are once again different than intentional neutering of a phone, which once again the Nexus 4 does.

Is the manufacturer(ASUS) of the Nexus 7 selling a more expensive 7" tablet?
I fail to see your point here because the manufacturer doesn't, so it's not possible for any "cries" to exist.
No, but Asus makes other tablets, and essentially the Nexus 7 outclasses the competition entirely in price and specs. Hell even the old one did that with its competitors. Can you or anyone here honestly recommend a Memopad over a Nexus 7?

What I'm saying is if there's intentional neutering of the Nexus 7 2013, it's certainly less pronounced than with the Nexus 4. Missing a vibration motor is far less critical than LTE or storage.

The Maxx is still a regular phone and not a phablet like the Galaxy Note, and last time I checked it is the flagship phone for Motorola.
Every phone's battery life out there should be compared to it.
This goes back to your "crutch" argument and now you're using the same "crutch" excuse you accused me and other people of to claim that because the Maxx is designed to outdo a regular phone on the same platform, it shouldn't really be compared to.

The Galaxy Note is a different platform(phablets), I'll give you that.
But the Maxx is most certainly not.
Like others have posted, the MAXX is a different phone. It's designed to have a larger battery and will obviously win. It's like saying the Maxx's camera sucks because of the GS4 Zoom. Well duh. The GS4 zoom is an anomaly, and it's not so fair to compare the camera right? Or would you say the HTC One's weather resistance ability sucks because the GS4 active exists? Those are all special phones (Maxx included). I'm not denying the Maxx wins in battery life, but throwing out the Maxx everytime we compare a typical cell phone is not really fair. It's going to win. If anything the data is just useful for reference only.

Well I didn't say the other flagships sucked, just that Moto has shown they can make a phone with great battery life, and I give props to them for doing it. You don't exclude the Maxx from comparisons though, if Moto can do it why can't the other OEMs?

Yes the data can be included, but it's like reading a review about sedans comparing the Camry and Accord, but you demand that an exotic car's performance be thrown in there for comparison. Sure, useful for reference only.
 
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Maxx is a regular phone with THE best battery life. There is nothing exotic about it. Above logic does not make sense.
 

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I'm not saying that every phone has to be perfect. You can find cons for any phone (GS4: plasticky build, HTC One: no removable sd card, no removable battery), but I wouldn't call any of these features as neutering the phone. They are viewed as features. Plasticky = light, and nonremovable sd card and battery = better build quality, smaller form factor.

Now let's take the Nexus 4 and its cons. No LTE and limited storage space. I'm not sure you can call either of these features. Now the LTE one I can get if Google's excuse about battery were more accurate, but phones from 2012 had no problem with LTE and battery.

You can probably point to shortcomings of other phones, but those are once again different than intentional neutering of a phone, which once again the Nexus 4 does.
For many people, LTE isn't critical. The Nexus 4 has DC-HSPA+ anyhow which is pretty much the same exact speeds as T-Mobile's LTE(speaking for both my market and NYC because those are the only places I've tested), only difference is latency.
The Nexus 4 shipped with the same storage as many phones from 2012...HTC One X shipped with 16GB storage and it sold well. Apple iPhone comes with 16GB storage and didn't come with LTE for a long while(until the iPhone 5 last fall despite Android phones coming with it almost 2 years prior).
Why weren't you complaining about gimped storage and LTE on the basic iPhone then? And why aren't you complaining about the gimped storage on the basic iPhone now?

Oh please...nonremovable sd card and battery does NOT automatically equal better build quality, smaller form factor like you claim.
I can give many examples of phones that come with both and are smaller or have just as good quality.
I can also give examples of phones that have nonremovable sd card and battery are just "meh" or even of completely dubious quality.
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blo...ot-including-microsd-slot-in-usuk-one-models/
HTC neutering non-removable sd card and battery is not because they want to make their phones smaller or of better build quality, it's simply a design choice selected by their engineers.

No, but Asus makes other tablets, and essentially the Nexus 7 outclasses the competition entirely in price and specs. Hell even the old one did that with its competitors. Can you or anyone here honestly recommend a Memopad over a Nexus 7?

What I'm saying is if there's intentional neutering of the Nexus 7 2013, it's certainly less pronounced than with the Nexus 4. Missing a vibration motor is far less critical than LTE or storage.
The ASUS Memopad is selling for less than the price of the Nexus 7.
If anyone wants to get it, they can.
An Asus Memopad sells for <$160...They're not anywhere near the same price range as a $200-229 Nexus 7 and they don't even use the same SoC to begin with.
If all the person wants to do is check email on their tablet, why should they spend an extra $70 to get a Nexus 7? I absolutely can consider getting such a tablet for my mom since I know that's all she's going to do with it. Why pay more for something I know she doesn't need or want?

Speak for yourself. I'm sure some people would say a phone without a Notification LED is far more critical than LTE or storage.
Just like I'm sure that people will say a phone without an unlocked boot loader or ability to flash ROMs isn't critical. For me it's critical. For you or most people, it may not be so...But for me, it is.

Like others have posted, the MAXX is a different phone. It's designed to have a larger battery and will obviously win. It's like saying the Maxx's camera sucks because of the GS4 Zoom. Well duh. The GS4 zoom is an anomaly, and it's not so fair to compare the camera right? Or would you say the HTC One's weather resistance ability sucks because the GS4 active exists? Those are all special phones (Maxx included). I'm not denying the Maxx wins in battery life, but throwing out the Maxx everytime we compare a typical cell phone is not really fair. It's going to win. If anything the data is just useful for reference only.
The Nexus was designed to have a smaller battery and will obviously lose.
Why is the same excuse not acceptable for a Nexus, but the opposite is allowed for Motorola?
The Maxx is market as a regular phone, not a special phone.

Yes the data can be included, but it's like reading a review about sedans comparing the Camry and Accord, but you demand that an exotic car's performance be thrown in there for comparison. Sure, useful for reference only.
The problem with your Camry and Accord comparison is that a $300-400 Nexus 4 and a $600 Optimus G is not anywhere near the same price range.
Sure, they may have almost the same engine except the higher priced one comes with a deck lid spoiler, a slightly bigger interior, and 18" chrome wheels, but it's not priced anywhere near the same range. And they're certainly not competing for the same market(tech enthusiasts, Android purists, developers, and anyone does that wants a cheap "unlocked" high-end phone) like a Honda Accord and Toyota Camry are.
 

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Maxx is a regular phone with THE best battery life. There is nothing exotic about it. Above logic does not make sense.
But, but, but...The Maxx is a "special exotic" phone.
I'm sure if one repeats that phrase many times, then they'll eventually believe it.

If the Maxx is considered a "special exotic" phone, then the Nexus should be considered a "special exotic" phone as well since it's a phone that supposed to be for developers, other people like us here that like to tinker with stuff anyhow, and people that need unlocked BYOD which is a minority because majority of people in the US sign contracts).
 
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But, but, but...The Maxx is a "special exotic" phone.
I'm sure if one repeats that phrase many times, then they'll eventually believe it.

If the Maxx is considered a "special exotic" phone, then the Nexus should be considered a "special exotic" phone as well since it's a phone that supposed to be for developers, other people like us here that like to tinker with stuff anyhow, and people that need unlocked BYOD which is a minority because majority of people in the US sign contracts).

Wow, trying too hard there much? You know very well the Maxx is designed as a battery monster, not a standard phone. If it was just your typical phone, then why is there a non Maxx version?

You can compare to the Maxx all you want, and yes it does make sense if you say "I wish my [Insert any phone] had the battery life of a Maxx/Note 2," but saying you're disappointed the GS4 doesn't beat the Maxx/Note 2 is not a fair statement.

No one said it was exotic except you.

Clearly you had nothing to say about the GS4 Zoom and the GS4 Active. It's not really fair comparing the optics of the GS4 Zoom with a standard smartphone and it's not fair comparing the waterproof abilities of a phone with the GS4. I guess Sony Xperia Z phone is the exception.
 
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For many people, LTE isn't critical. The Nexus 4 has DC-HSPA+ anyhow which is pretty much the same exact speeds as T-Mobile's LTE(speaking for both my market and NYC because those are the only places I've tested), only difference is latency.
It may not be critical, but is it a downgrade? Yes. You're saying it's ok for you, but is it actually better that you use HSPA over LTE? I highly doubt it. Maybe T-Mobile's LTE network is still young, but I can't really see why someone should be using HSPA over LTE on AT&T unless of course they're prone to going over their data limits easily in which case that would still be a problem on HSPA.

The Nexus 4 shipped with the same storage as many phones from 2012...HTC One X shipped with 16GB storage and it sold well. Apple iPhone comes with 16GB storage and didn't come with LTE for a long while(until the iPhone 5 last fall despite Android phones coming with it almost 2 years prior).
Why weren't you complaining about gimped storage and LTE on the basic iPhone then? And why aren't you complaining about the gimped storage on the basic iPhone now?

The iPhone 3GS in 2009 came out at a 16/32gb option. The iPhone since has gone with the 16/32gb configuration. We can argue that Apple has stagnated and hasn't progressed, but that isn't the point is it? 16gb is the MINIMUM the iPhone launched with and 16gb was the MINIMUM the HTC One launched with. And please, don't tell me that was just fine. There are tons of complaints about the HTC One X being at ONLY 16gb.

The last iPhone to use the 8gb/16gb configuration was the iPhone 3G in 2008. This is Android. I thought one of the selling points of Android phones was SD Cards and people made fun of Apple for charging $100 more for storage? But I guess that's not really a benefit anymore of Android. And if anything, that storage is more important on Android--a platform where you can dump your movies and multimedia and files because Google doesn't restrict you like Apple does with file types.

As for the iPhone, yeah, it sucks that it's only 16gb. If I had my way I'd get a 32gb iPhone at least, but work's not going to give me anything more. But at least there's a 64gb option if someone really wanted that. As I said before, if you really want that $249 Nexus go for it, but I'll gladly pay the $599 for a flagship model with 64gb storage, LTE, etc. and no compromises. I'm sure there's many other people who bought the Nexus 4 who will agree that they would easily have paid $100 more for more storage, better battery, LTE, etc.

Oh please...nonremovable sd card and battery does NOT automatically equal better build quality, smaller form factor like you claim.
I can give many examples of phones that come with both and are smaller or have just as good quality.
I can also give examples of phones that have nonremovable sd card and battery are just "meh" or even of completely dubious quality.
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blo...ot-including-microsd-slot-in-usuk-one-models/
HTC neutering non-removable sd card and battery is not because they want to make their phones smaller or of better build quality, it's simply a design choice selected by their engineers.
I'm not arguing that nonremovable sd card and battery automatically equates to better build quality or smaller form factor. Are you saying that you can design JUST as small of a phone with removable batteries and SD card? I don't get what finding an exception proves. I was never saying there aren't any exceptions. I was just saying that it's possible to improve build quality and decrease thickness by going non-removable. Are you saying if Samsung went with a nonremovable option the GS4 would be fatter? Or are you saying had HTC built the One with removable storage and battery that it would be better built and thinner? None of us have the answer to that because all we have are apples to oranges comparisons by finding one exception to the rule, and we can't say what the iPhone would have been with removable versus non-removable battery. Anyway, this is besides the point.

What I'm saying is by going with the non-removable route HTc wasn't trying to neuter the phone. Yes it's a compromise, but that's the reason HTC offers a 64gb version of their phone. It's a design choice like you said. To some this could be a dealbreaker, but this isn't the definition of neuter. Neutering would be removing the expandable storage option and then offering an 8gb/16gb option ONLY.

The ASUS Memopad is selling for less than the price of the Nexus 7.
If anyone wants to get it, they can.
An Asus Memopad sells for <$160...They're not anywhere near the same price range as a $200-229 Nexus 7 and they don't even use the same SoC to begin with.
If all the person wants to do is check email on their tablet, why should they spend an extra $70 to get a Nexus 7? I absolutely can consider getting such a tablet for my mom since I know that's all she's going to do with it. Why pay more for something I know she doesn't need or want?

Perhaps, but basically the $200 tablet market is just Amazon and Google. Who really competes at that range? Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 and its 1024x600 resolution? You can probably remember how many threads slamming 1024x600 tablets and why anyone would buy anything else than a Nexus 7.

I think it's pretty hard to compete at this level when the $199 Nexus 7 from 2012 costs $185 or so to build. How do you expect anyone to get close?

Speak for yourself. I'm sure some people would say a phone without a Notification LED is far more critical than LTE or storage.
Just like I'm sure that people will say a phone without an unlocked boot loader or ability to flash ROMs isn't critical. For me it's critical. For you or most people, it may not be so...But for me, it is.
Okay, they may be critical, you're right, but the notification LED is not really a standard yet. We have one manufacturer (Moto) arguing its not necessary and there are better ways. We have other manufacturers half putting them in (HTC), we have others embracing it. It's still a confusing strategy. While it's critical, it's not gimping a phone in the sense that there isn't some sort of universal expectation of an LED notification light.

On the other hand, if you cut storage to 8gb/16gb, I'd say that's pretty obvious gimping. Even if you're ok with 8gb it's far below the norm, so yes that to me is neutering the phone specs. So is cutting out LTE when other flagship phones have it at that point in time.


The Nexus was designed to have a smaller battery and will obviously lose.
Why is the same excuse not acceptable for a Nexus, but the opposite is allowed for Motorola?
The Maxx is market as a regular phone, not a special phone.
I don't really understand you here. The complaints about the Nexus battery are not because its too small. It's sized just fine against the GS3 and HTC One X. The performance was just less than stellar, and worse than its Optimus G counterpart.

The Maxx is not a regular phone. The regular phone is the Droid Razr or Droid Ultra (whatever the hell it is now). The fact is Motorola makes it a separate phone. It's a phone with the intent of having one of the largest if not the largest integrated batteries. Like I said, if you want to compare batteries, go for it, but it's no surprise the Maxx will win, which means there's no point in saying a phone sucks because the Maxx is better.


The problem with your Camry and Accord comparison is that a $300-400 Nexus 4 and a $600 Optimus G is not anywhere near the same price range.
Sure, they may have almost the same engine except the higher priced one comes with a deck lid spoiler, a slightly bigger interior, and 18" chrome wheels, but it's not priced anywhere near the same range. And they're certainly not competing for the same market(tech enthusiasts, Android purists, developers, and anyone does that wants a cheap "unlocked" high-end phone) like a Honda Accord and Toyota Camry are.

You're using an apples to oranges comparison though. What I'm saying is you can't compare the petrol versions of the Accord and Camry and then pull the hybrid version and say "well HA!" It's like when the Accord fan says the 2013 Accord gets better mileage than the 2013 Camry, and then the Camry fan says, well the Camry Hybrid does even better, so therefore your Accord is nothing. Okay, so what's the point? The Hybrid obviously does better than the petrol version in gas efficiency, so what did you prove there? Yes it's a regular car that's sold at the dealership too, so what?

I'm not talking about $300 versus $600. I'm talking about the Maxx. If I say a phone is good in battery life, you will bring up the Note 2 and Maxx. I've already shown you the Note 2 is a different class and that's not a good comparison. You then bring up the Maxx. But I've already shown you that the Maxx is a different kind of phone. It wins in battery, but it doesn't necessarily prove the phone you're comparing it against sucks in battery.

In the end I don't get WHAT you're trying to say. Are you trying to say the Nexus is not gimped/neutered? I really don't get why you're just trying to jump on a few lines out of context like what I said about non-removable SD cards and stuff.
 
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Wow, trying too hard there much? You know very well the Maxx is designed as a battery monster, not a standard phone. If it was just your typical phone, then why is there a non Maxx version?

You can compare to the Maxx all you want, and yes it does make sense if you say "I wish my [Insert any phone] had the battery life of a Maxx/Note 2," but saying you're disappointed the GS4 doesn't beat the Maxx/Note 2 is not a fair statement.

No one said it was exotic except you.

Clearly you had nothing to say about the GS4 Zoom and the GS4 Active. It's not really fair comparing the optics of the GS4 Zoom with a standard smartphone and it's not fair comparing the waterproof abilities of a phone with the GS4. I guess Sony Xperia Z phone is the exception.

Using the zoom as an example doesn't really work. The maxx is a regular phone in all ways. The form factor is the same as other phones. There's no downside to the big battery. It's totally fair to compare other phones to it. Indeed we should do that all the time if we want that sort of battery life.
The zoom is very much a niche device, there's a big compromise that it had to make in its form to get that lens and optical zoom.

Why is it not fair to want other phones to be more environment proof as well?
 
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