The Official PS4 Thread

[Doppel]

Latency on that remote play is extremely low. Airplay on apple latency is way too high to be used in this manner even though on my Apple TV there is a picture of somebody using an iPad as a controller.

 

[sze5003]

I think they will add support for dlna soon. They did with ps3. But the streaming is nice if you have a vita and you have others wanting to watch tv. I don't think I would go buy a vita just because I can do this, but if you have one it's a cool feature.

 

[Aikouka]

Also, the ps4 won't play mp3s (WEAK), but will it play mp4 videos from a thumb drive? I have a Sony blu ray player I could sell and use the ps4 in its place but I don't want to lose features.

MP4 is just a container that's typically coupled with video using the h.264 codec and something like AC3 for the audio. Sony needs to have access to these codecs for DVD and Blu-Ray playback anyway. MP3 is a completely separate codec requiring royalties to Fraunhaufer IIS.

Edit: ah, no external storage at all. Honestly what the F.

Yes and no. There's no external storage allowed for game-related storage.

and what is the actual point of this feature? i mean i know you can play ps4 with your vita, but what is the actual use case for it?

Last night, I was finally able to "purchase" Dragon's Dogma from the SOE store. I kind of wanted to play it or at least try it out; however, it was late, and I didn't really want to go downstairs and turn my TV on. It would have been pretty awesome to just grab my Vita, which sits on my nightstand, and try it out for a few minutes.

I would imagine that it'll be very similar to NVIDIA's Shield, which is pretty smooth. The one benefit that PS4 Remote Play has over NVIDIA's Shield is that the preselected game selection on the Shield is pretty limited. I kind of wanted to play Sonic All-Star Racing Transformed, but it's not on the list, which means it may not work right. I tried to fire up Electronic Super Fun from Steam (you can stream Steam Big Picture Mode), but I couldn't even get past the opening splash screen.

that is something totally different i think, and the 2 games must be developed for that.

Yeah, that's one of Sony's "cross" features called Cross-Play. It's essentially just save game sharing between the Vita and a PlayStation console. Games such as Dragon's Crown have it. The other is Cross-Buy, which means you buy for the PlayStation and you get a Vita copy.

in the case in the video, is the ps4 just streaming the video output wirelessly on the network to the vita, and the vita is basically acting like a ps4 controller to the console?

Yeah, I mentioned that it's like the Shield above because they both use hardware encoders that have direct access to the buffer. Ryan Smith looked at NVIDIA's Shadowplay in the GTX 780 Ti review, which uses the same tech as Shield streaming... it just saves it to a disk.

How does this remote play even work? How does the Wii U remote play work for that matter? Are we seriously streaming raw uncompressed 1080p @ 60 fps wirelessly now? When did that become possible? Let alone battery life.

I doubt it's streaming at full resolution. Going back to the Shield, when I start a game on the Shield, it actually changes my PC's resolution to 720p. That makes sense since the Shield's screen is only 720p, so why render at anything higher? According to Wikipedia, the Vita's screen is only 960 × 544, so why render at anything higher than that? The only difference is if you're connecting to a Vita TV, which will output at the TV's resolution.

It just streams over the network. I'm pretty sure that Sony has mandated that ALL PS4 games support remote play.

I didn't think it was mandated, but it was "strongly suggested"... which is probably close to the same thing. From what Mark Cerny said in an interview, the developer just has to figure out how to map the DualShock 4 to the Vita. The only difference is the lack of triggers, but the Vita has two touch inputs (touchscreen and touch panel).

Oh, and they also stated that games that use the PlayStation 4 Camera will not be available for Remote Play. That's to be expected though.

 

[finbarqs]

I just remember remote play ran @ like 15 fps on my vita, and 60 fps on my ps3... it's a huge difference...

 

[blurredvision]

I didn't think it was mandated, but it was "strongly suggested"... which is probably close to the same thing.

I googled to get more info and found this link and a couple more like it:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-sony-mandates-vita-remote-play-for-ps4-games

Basically says to expect remote play on any game that doesn't require the camera.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Gamestop has just alerted me that NBA2k14 will release tomorrow for the PS4. Like Killzone it doesn't matter as the system is still a week away, but since I will be 100% unable to take advantage of the Target B2G1 this coming Friday, I'll grab my game tomorrow.

 

[Aikouka]

I should probably just cancel Knack from Amazon and see if Target does come through with that deal. Worst comes to worst, I can just buy the game retail if I still want it. I might wait for a review since we get Resogun and Contrast for free anyway.

 

[sze5003]

I should probably just cancel Knack from Amazon and see if Target does come through with that deal. Worst comes to worst, I can just buy the game retail if I still want it. I might wait for a review since we get Resogun and Contrast for free anyway.

Contrast looks interesting. I still need to get a psn plus card so I don't end up paying 10 bucks a month instead of $4.75. I'm going to head over to the target by my work during lunch on Tuesday to see what's left there.

 

[Aikouka]

Contrast looks interesting. I still need to get a psn plus card so I don't end up paying 10 bucks a month instead of $4.75. I'm going to head over to the target by my work during lunch on Tuesday to see what's left there.

As a note, the one nice thing about going to Target for gaming cards is that they are considered gift cards. At least in Alabama, gift cards are not taxed, and I assume that's probably true everywhere. So, there the usual "no tax!" claim for buying online has been removed from the equation. I've also noticed that PSN cards don't go on sale that much... especially not compared to XBOX Live cards. Knowing you'll get a 5% discount if you use a Red Card is nice.

So, when I want to get a game off the PSN Store, I just buy myself a gift card from Target. Yeah, I'm cheap. :$

 

[sze5003]

I'm just hoping some games are still left. My work area is mostly just giant companies everywhere and kids are in school that time so I hope I can get there and get the buy 2 get one free deal. Good thing it's across the street from my building too.

 

[cmdrdredd]

So I just spent 45minutes with the ps4 interactive. They have contrast, knack, and FIFA to play.

FIFA looked and played great. Every character had real weight and did not feel floaty. Solid controls. Not really my cup of tea but it looks great.

Contrast looked great. Not next gen great but it had a unique art style similar to something from BioShock infinite perhaps. The gameplay was odd with you shifting in and out of shadows to perform tasks. I didn't know what the point was because the demo didn't give me any story. This might end up being a cool game to play on the side.

Then there is knack. Yes there was some frame rate issues but it wasn't terrible. The control is very simple. Right analog stick dodges, x jumps, left analog moves, square is attack. The game looks good but doesn't scream next gen by any means. It was fun though and since I was playing on hard it was hard. The problem for me was that each enemy had a predictable attack pattern you could exploit. I see influences from Mark Cerny's previous work in the game. This one I will have to wait for retail reviews before I decide. I may buy it and the demo did not turn me off entirely. It just depends on how the retail version stacks up.

Knack is also available to buy as all games have street dates lifted. So as soon as they come in they are available to purchase.

The other videos and such I had already seen online so there wasn't anything more to see on the interactive.

The ps4 system was very quiet. It was encased in the plastic and was nearly inaudible when I was there. Even after playing the entire FIFA demo it didn't spin up very loud at all. You could tell it was running if you listened but the fan whir faded to the background quickly and I had to put my ear to it in order to hear it. I don't think noise would be a problem.

The interactive did not allow access to the UI and menu system so I cannot comment on that part of the system.

 

[sze5003]

So I just spent 45minutes with the ps4 interactive. They have contrast, knack, and FIFA to play.

FIFA looked and played great. Every character had real weight and did not feel floaty. Solid controls. Not really my cup of tea but it looks great.

Contrast looked great. Not next gen great but it had a unique art style similar to something from BioShock infinite perhaps. The gameplay was odd with you shifting in and out of shadows to perform tasks. I didn't know what the point was because the demo didn't give me any story. This might end up being a cool game to play on the side.

Then there is knack. Yes there was some frame rate issues but it wasn't terrible. The control is very simple. Right analog stick dodges, x jumps, left analog moves, square is attack. The game looks good but doesn't scream next gen by any means. It was fun though and since I was playing on hard it was hard. The problem for me was that each enemy had a predictable attack pattern you could exploit. I see influences from Mark Cerny's previous work in the game. This one I will have to wait for retail reviews before I decide. I may buy it and the demo did not turn me off entirely. It just depends on how the retail version stacks up.

Knack is also available to buy as all games have street dates lifted. So as soon as they come in they are available to purchase.

The other videos and such I had already seen online so there wasn't anything more to see on the interactive.

The ps4 system was very quiet. It was encased in the plastic and was nearly inaudible when I was there. Even after playing the entire FIFA demo it didn't spin up very loud at all. You could tell it was running if you listened but the fan whir faded to the background quickly and I had to put my ear to it in order to hear it. I don't think noise would be a problem.

The interactive did not allow access to the UI and menu system so I cannot comment on that part of the system.

Thanks for the update. Good to know it's quite and fifa does look better at least. Although I won't be buying sports games, maybe used for cheap. I'm unsure of knack too, going to have to wait on that one.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

Contrast looks interesting. I still need to get a psn plus card so I don't end up paying 10 bucks a month instead of $4.75. I'm going to head over to the target by my work during lunch on Tuesday to see what's left there.

whats the deal with this? I need to sign up for psn plus now to avoid paying more when the system releases?

 

[Imported]

Amazon video games just posted a photo of their warehouse on Twitter. So many PS4s!

 

[cmdrdredd]

whats the deal with this? I need to sign up for psn plus now to avoid paying more when the system releases?

PSN+ is $50/year or $4.17 per month. If you pay for one month it's $10.

So let me break it down

1Month = $10
3Month = $18 ($6/mo)
12month = $50 ($4.17/mo)

You can buy prepaid cards (I recommend this) or have them bill your credit card year to year. There has not been any mention of the price changing.

 

[sze5003]

whats the deal with this? I need to sign up for psn plus now to avoid paying more when the system releases?

Not sure but it looks like we will either need to pay $18 bucks for 3 months and look for a deal for $40 for a year or just buy one for $50 bucks now. I'm not sure how much online I'll be doing now but if I get ghosts I'll just have to get online before single player. Cod single player is short so yea.

I'm going to get bf4 on pc so won't need psn plus for that.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

Alright, thanks for the responses fellas

 

[purbeast0]

one of these is mine and i'm sure others in here too! amazon warehouse shot!

 

[Doppel]

Amazon video games just posted a photo of their warehouse on Twitter. So many PS4s!

I see mine! https://twitter.com/amazongames/status/398612407137742848/photo/1

 

[Pheran]

PS4 Teardown

Designer Behind the PS4
Also check the video at the bottom of the article.

 

[blurredvision]

one of these is mine and i'm sure others in here too!

When do you get yours from TB? You're supposed to get it early, no?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Thanks for the update. Good to know it's quite and fifa does look better at least. Although I won't be buying sports games, maybe used for cheap. I'm unsure of knack too, going to have to wait on that one.

Forgot to mention. Pressing triangle will transform Knack from the giant beast made up of parts of the environment to the diminutive robot. This allows him to pass through laser systems undetected. When battle starts again you can switch back to the "hulk mode" on the fly. This will likely be used throughout the game. In the demo you need to switch to the small figure to navigate ventilation shafts and the like. I did like that the more parts you collect the larger you get but also the more damage you do and the more hits you can take.

 

[zerocool84]

When do you get yours from TB? You're supposed to get it early, no?

Yea the commercial says they are supposed to get it early, it's a week away so I'm sure it'd have to be soon.

 

[sze5003]

Yea the commercial says they are supposed to get it early, it's a week away so I'm sure it'd have to be soon.

My guess is he will have it Monday. If so open it and post pics of UI and stuff.

 

[Pheran]

Designer Behind the PS4
Also check the video at the bottom of the article.

This was a pretty interesting article, and it's nice to see them tacitly admitting that they screwed up on the PS3 hardware architecture.