The point is that it would take at least 3+ Jaguar cores to equal the processing power of a single Ivy Bridge core. So you won't be able to code 1:1, you'd have to spread the workload out across multiple cores.
When it comes to games, consoles is where the money's at. So, developers code for consoles and port them back for Windows. Hence, unless you're talking about all teh FPS and MMRPG on PCs, ports usually went the other way.
As for the cores, they don't have to use all 8. At least one will be allocated for the OS.
Oh yeah...what exactly is self publishing? Can game makers not do that now?
I guarantee all the social stuff they're pushing will be locked out on a used game unless you buy some sort of "online pass" type thing.I know a lot of people here hate on people who get used games, but as a person who buys used as well as new games, I've gotta say, probably 80% of the new games I buy are sequels or related to the used games I have played. Plus my brother and I like to exchange games and stuff so I'm glad there's no such protection.
Do remember the PS4 doesn't actually have more bandwidth than the equivalent desktop chips, because it doesn't have all the bandwidth available.
There may be 176GB/s total RAM bandwidth, but the CPU is going to use some of that as well, so it's probably more lilely it's almost exactly the same as an H7850 level of performance.
The point is that it would take at least 3+ Jaguar cores to equal the processing power of a single Ivy Bridge core. So you won't be able to code 1:1, you'd have to spread the workload out across multiple cores.
“If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this won’t happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case.
As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API.”
This bit is very interesting. Do we have information now on what OS/API the PS4 will use? Although seemingly counter-intuitive, it would really be interesting if the PS4 turned out to be a better developer's platform than the PC, simply because they'd be allowed to do stuff that MS won't let them do.
However, if that does turn out to be the case, I wonder what it means for PC gaming. Consider a scenario where PCs remain of course more powerful, but are simply blocked by intrusive and restrictive APIs. We'd end up having a technically lower specced platform perform better than its more powerful cousin, simply because developers are allowed to use its potential!
The gap between the average PC and the PS4 when it launches will definitely be smaller than I'm sure most of us anticipated, which is great news for all of gaming, really. However, if PCs cannot benefit from that because of OS and API restrictions, perhaps other, less restrictive alternatives exist (Linux? Though I have no idea how it works at a low level and how restrictive it is in comparison to MS's APIs)?
It looks like again there will be no IR sensor? So once again my universal remote will be useless unless I buy some ridiculous adapter? No thanks.
I also don't see how they can get away charging for multiplayer (XBL Gold) on the 720. The only reason the XBL Gold scam worked on 360 was because PSN used to really suck, and Gold felt worth it back then. Now if someone is looking at getting either of the new consoles, they can get a PS4 and save $50 per year (an extra game) by not having to subscribe to Gold. If MS was smart they'd turn Gold into a Playstation Plus clone. On top of that if the hardware rumors are true, the PS4 games will look a lot better and run smoother than their Xbox counterparts. It seems they're sacrificing their hardware power so they can afford to put a dust-collecting Kinect in every box.
Consider a scenario where PCs remain of course more powerful, but are simply blocked by intrusive and restrictive APIs. We'd end up having a technically lower specced platform perform better than its more powerful cousin, simply because developers are allowed to use its potential!
... if PCs cannot benefit from that because of OS and API restrictions, perhaps other, less restrictive alternatives exist (Linux? Though I have no idea how it works at a low level and how restrictive it is in comparison to MS's APIs)?
Microsoft seems to be getting too caught up in the bullshit that core gamers don't care about. What they are forgetting is that it was core gamers, not casual kinect gamers, that made the 360 take off in the first place. Casual gamers aren't going to drop $400+ on the new box. They waited until the 360 was $199.
I also don't see how they can get away charging for multiplayer (XBL Gold) on the 720. The only reason the XBL Gold scam worked on 360 was because PSN used to really suck, and Gold felt worth it back then. Now if someone is looking at getting either of the new consoles, they can get a PS4 and save $50 per year (an extra game) by not having to subscribe to Gold. If MS was smart they'd turn Gold into a Playstation Plus clone. On top of that if the hardware rumors are true, the PS4 games will look a lot better and run smoother than their Xbox counterparts. It seems they're sacrificing their hardware power so they can afford to put a dust-collecting Kinect in every box.
Then again maybe they'll be successful. Your typical Call of Duty gamer doesn't give a rats ass about technical specs of their console I guess. Neither does the people in the "Wii market" they so desperately want.
There's no guarantee Sony doesn't charge for online on the PS4 though.
But yeah, free online would be a big advantage now when people are about to change consoles. People have no doubt noticed how much their Live subscriptions have cost them during the years.
I won't consider an Xbox again until online play is free. I've seen lots of other 360 users claiming they'll go to Sony next-gen.
Are you saying you won't get a PS4 because your universal remote won't work for it?It looks like again there will be no IR sensor? So once again my universal remote will be useless unless I buy some ridiculous adapter? No thanks.
It looks like again there will be no IR sensor? So once again my universal remote will be useless unless I buy some ridiculous adapter? No thanks.
The PS4 will likely give low level access to the system via something like libgcm. PCs generally operate on the higher-level languages like OpenGL and DirectX.
Main reason you'll rarely see libgcm on a PC (even with Linux) is that there's too much variety in hardware in PCs. Writing in DirectX and OpenGL means you can run on any nvidia, intel, AMD, or even PowerVR GPU.
Once you go libgcm, you'll quickly end up in a situation where your code will only run on a single, specific GPU (or family of GPUs).
This ability to code closer to the metal against a single spec has always been the console's primary advantage over PC. It's also why single console exclusives are often more impressive graphically than their cross-platform counterparts.