The Official PS4 Thread

[Tweak155]

Whoa. Knack just shot up to #1 with 330k units for the week and is an ear shot from breaking 1 million.

Its a fun an interesting new game that is refreshing from all the safe cookie cutter stuff but its nothing amazing or even next gen. Didn't see this coming at all.

Fully support it though, the industry needs to know its safe to experiment with new IP and get out of the safe zone rut.

Maybe all the surprising positive comments it received after release is starting to convert into sales? Good for them either way.

 

[purbeast0]

imo knack is the best ps4 game right now.

 

[exdeath]

imo knack is the best ps4 game right now.

I suppose. Tombraider, Thief, etc being cross platform last gen ports.

Really looking forward to InFamous. Seems to be the first real next gen game that hopefully isn't just a tech demo with no substance like Ryse, Killzone, etc.

 

[American Gunner]

Whoa. Knack just shot up to #1 with 330k units for the week and is an ear shot from breaking 1 million.

I am guessing that having it bundled with the ps4 in Japan is what caused those numbers, since that's the amount of consoles sold. Either way, it is a great game. My wife and I are on our second run right now through the game.

 

[zerocool84]

I suppose. Tombraider, Thief, etc being cross platform last gen ports.

Really looking forward to InFamous. Seems to be the first real next gen game that hopefully isn't just a tech demo with no substance like Ryse, Killzone, etc.

Even if inFamous is just like the previous ones only with better graphics, I'll love it.

Plus, if they give you the option, I always choose the dark side first for games like inFamous and KOTOR, then play through it again on the light side.

 

[exdeath]

Knack is bundled in Japan? That's not as exciting. Still though 1 million units for a unheard of random game hopefully shows that its ok to leave the FPS safe zone and play around with new things.

 

[Fulle]

Being the devil's advocate, I'm going to voice that I'm annoyed by this forum promoting bad games on the PS4 and Xbox One. Specifically, Knack, Ryse, and Forza 5.

These are games with pretty bad user scores on Metacritic, and a lot of legitimate criticisms.

For example, I watched a lets play of a guy in his mid to late 20s having to repeat the same sequence in Knack over and over again, and his voice was starting to show noticeable frustration. On the first level on normal difficulty.

It a game that completely missed the mark. What's Knack's target audience exactly? It looks like children, but it'd be just terrible for most children. The game's too repetitive and simplistic for core gamers needing some nostalgia. It's aesthetics turn away most core gamers. Who the hell is this for?!

I'm going to be relieved when these bad launch games are forgotten. Nobody is going to be playing Knack 2 years from now, or Ryse, or Killzone.... because they're not that good.

 

[Wingznut]

Being the devil's advocate, I'm going to voice that I'm annoyed by this forum promoting bad games on the PS4 and Xbox One. Specifically, Knack, Ryse, and Forza 5.

These are games with pretty bad user scores on Metacritic, and a lot of legitimate criticisms.

But you haven't actually played any of these games, right? I've played a lot of games (and seen a lot of movies, listened to a lot of music, etc... pretty much any form of entertainment) that did not get great reviews, but I still found them very worthy of my time.
And of course, vise versa... Just because something has great reviews, doesn't mean I'll automatically enjoy it.

Play a game, then judge it.

Also, "user scores" are a horrible way to judge a game. I'll bet that a HUGE percentage of those reviews are from people who haven't had a second of experience with the title.

 

[purbeast0]

For example, I watched a lets play of a guy in his mid to late 20s having to repeat the same sequence in Knack over and over again, and his voice was starting to show noticeable frustration. On the first level on normal difficulty.

lol at using this as a basis for criticism.

so because that 20 year old with absolutely no attention span is dying in a game multiple times, then gets frustrated at it because he can't beat it (and i would bet my money that he kept doing the same thing over and over expecting different results, but kept dying), that the game sucks? oh know! a game that you can't close your eyes and beat with out having to try! what is this world coming to!

that guy playing is probably just a little baby that plays easy games and thinks he is king at video games because he does, and when he has some kind of challenge he can't overcome, he cries about about it. i bet he would ragequit if he played me in killer instinct to because i would just keep throwing him and he would rage because he keeps getting beat by such simple tactics.

knack doesn't even get hard until the later parts of the game. it's definitely a challenging game.

and nobody talks about any launch games for the most part after a year or so. do you still talk about any of these games?

http://kotaku.com/the-ps3-had-12-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-looked-513396910

(that link is getting put to use recently!)

 

[exdeath]

Being the devil's advocate, I'm going to voice that I'm annoyed by this forum promoting bad games on the PS4 and Xbox One. Specifically, Knack, Ryse, and Forza 5.

These are games with pretty bad user scores on Metacritic, and a lot of legitimate criticisms.

For example, I watched a lets play of a guy in his mid to late 20s having to repeat the same sequence in Knack over and over again, and his voice was starting to show noticeable frustration. On the first level on normal difficulty.

It a game that completely missed the mark. What's Knack's target audience exactly? It looks like children, but it'd be just terrible for most children. The game's too repetitive and simplistic for core gamers needing some nostalgia. It's aesthetics turn away most core gamers. Who the hell is this for?!

I'm going to be relieved when these bad launch games are forgotten. Nobody is going to be playing Knack 2 years from now, or Ryse, or Killzone.... because they're not that good.

I haven't promoted squat. I've acknowledged Knack, and to a greater extent Killzone, are pretty uninspiring. But to see something new like Knack break 1 million is refreshing in a market where everybody is affraid to release anything but another CoD or AC.

I defend Knack or any non mainstream game when people judge and knock it without even playing it, and I acknowledge its shortcomings with those who have played it and even enjoyed it.

Its refreshing and even vindicating to see a million sells of something new and different that had bad reviews from reviewers who are mostly CoD bros these days.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Metacritic user scores are where the trolls congregate to bash and rate a game down. Anyone who puts a 0 or 1 for a game score has not played it and is only trying to drag the average down.

 

[gorcorps]

I thought you were gonna get second son..or it may have been someone else.

You're not mistaken, I really do want it and really liked the first two. I'm just struggling with spending nearly $500 after console + game cost when that's really the only game I'd want it for (right now). I was driving to gamestop yesterday when I had a very rare "responsible adult" realization that this might not be the best use of my money.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

You're not mistaken, I really do want it and really liked the first two. I'm just struggling with spending nearly $500 after console + game cost when that's really the only game I'd want it for (right now). I was driving to gamestop yesterday when I had a very rare "responsible adult" realization that this might not be the best use of my money.

bahhh. do it man, you're gonna do it eventually anyways. get a couple games to play in the meantime. play knack, its really fun. don't pay full price for it though, if that is possible...

edit: also FIFA is amazing, Lego Marvel if you're into it, and AC4 is one of my favorite games ever. yes, they are ports but they run faster on the ps4!

 

[sze5003]

You're not mistaken, I really do want it and really liked the first two. I'm just struggling with spending nearly $500 after console + game cost when that's really the only game I'd want it for (right now). I was driving to gamestop yesterday when I had a very rare "responsible adult" realization that this might not be the best use of my money.

If you are only interested in one game yea I can see how you come to that conclusion. There are other games like 2k14, AC, knack, but only if those interest you. I eventually wanted one since I heard about the system which is why I bought one.

 

[Fulle]

I look for patterns in what I hear about a game. And then I try to see how legitimate those claims are.

In the case on Knack, it's not hard to find lot and lots of examples of people pointing out that the simplistic gameplay ends up feeling really tired by the end of the game. Difficulty spikes. A boring story. Repetitive music. It's got mediocrity stamped aalll over it.

There were some good platformers released in 2013. Mario 3D World, Tearaway, Rayman Legends, and Guacamelee. For an interesting kids game, there was Wonderful 101.. and we're talking about this really weak game (Knack), pretty much ONLY because it was a PS4 launch title. If it was a PS3 game, I honestly don't even think it would have been a conversation piece. Puppeteer (yet another 2013 platformer) flew under the radar, and was easily a better game.

So, maybe it's not an outright hate for Knack, but come the heck on... there had to have been at least 9-10 better platformers in 2013. Want a challenge? Play Volgarr the Viking. Nostalgia overload? Duck Tails.

2013 was loaded with good platformers. Knack doesn't really deserve any attention.

 

[American Gunner]

Being the devil's advocate, I'm going to voice that I'm annoyed by this forum promoting bad games on the PS4 and Xbox One. Specifically, Knack, Ryse, and Forza 5.

These are games with pretty bad user scores on Metacritic, and a lot of legitimate criticisms.

For example, I watched a lets play of a guy in his mid to late 20s having to repeat the same sequence in Knack over and over again, and his voice was starting to show noticeable frustration. On the first level on normal difficulty.

It a game that completely missed the mark. What's Knack's target audience exactly? It looks like children, but it'd be just terrible for most children. The game's too repetitive and simplistic for core gamers needing some nostalgia. It's aesthetics turn away most core gamers. Who the hell is this for?!

I'm going to be relieved when these bad launch games are forgotten. Nobody is going to be playing Knack 2 years from now, or Ryse, or Killzone.... because they're not that good.

Mr. Fulle, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[American Gunner]

If you don't like the games people are talking about, you can try this cool new feautre where you can just scroll past a post. I hate to break it to you, but you can't tell people what they should and shouldn't post about, and saying that a game is bad just from watching a lets play with someone that couldn't beat a section is pretty dumb. rying to use user scores on metacritic doesn't help your case either.

 

[Fulle]

I understand that the opinion I'm expressing here isn't a popular one for people who bought a PS4 or Xbox One, but I don't think it's outrageous to say that these launch exclusives weren't that good. Why pretend that they're not bad?

 

[gorcorps]

bahhh. do it man, you're gonna do it eventually anyways. get a couple games to play in the meantime. play knack, its really fun. don't pay full price for it though, if that is possible...

edit: also FIFA is amazing, Lego Marvel if you're into it, and AC4 is one of my favorite games ever. yes, they are ports but they run faster on the ps4!

If you are only interested in one game yea I can see how you come to that conclusion. There are other games like 2k14, AC, knack, but only if those interest you. I eventually wanted one since I heard about the system which is why I bought one.

I'm interested in Knack, but it still seems pretty pricey for what it is. I already have AC4 on my PC (yes, I have a pretty decent gaming PC too) and also got Lego Marvel on it because it recently went for really cheap.

Haven't bought the new Rayman though so that might be worth picking up too. Knack, Rayman, and Infamous are about the only games I don't already have that I'm interested in... and they aren't cheap either

 

[sze5003]

I understand that the opinion I'm expressing here isn't a popular one for people who bought a PS4 or Xbox One, but I don't think it's outrageous to say that these launch exclusives weren't that good. Why pretend that they're not bad?

Knack may not be a excellent game but its not a bad game, neither was killzone, killzone was just boring for me.

 

[Wingznut]

I understand that the opinion I'm expressing here isn't a popular one for people who bought a PS4 or Xbox One, but I don't think it's outrageous to say that these launch exclusives weren't that good. Why pretend that they're not bad?

What's "outrageous" is the method to which the conclusions you've come to. Watching a video? Metacritic user score? How about you try PLAYING the game before declaring it bad?

I can't speak for Knack.... But Forza is an incredibly fun game. Sure, it has less cars than before, but that doesn't affect the enjoyment. More tracks would be nice, that's for sure. But again, to label it "bad" is absolutely ridiculous.

Even Ryse, I (and my sons, and my nephew, and many many others) had a blast with. I understand why some don't care for it, but that doesn't make it "bad".

Entertainment is subjective. Just because you don't like something... Well, you don't like the user reviews or a video, I should say... Doesn't make it bad.

I'm sure there are a lot of games, movies, music, etc that you really enjoy, despite negative reviews and videos.

 

[Wingznut]

Knack doesn't really deserve any attention.

Point taken. In the future, we'll be sure to check with you before discussing a game on this forum.

EDIT: Actually, that seems inefficient. Can you give us a minimum metacritic user score that we can ensure the game meets before we discuss it? Or how about a particular user's YouTube page to consult, and see how much difficulty he has had with it?

 

[American Gunner]

Point taken. In the future, we'll be sure to check with you before discussing a game on this forum.

EDIT: Actually, that seems inefficient. Can you give us a minimum metacritic user score that we can ensure the game meets before we discuss it? Or how about a particular user's YouTube page to consult, and see how much difficulty he has had with it?

I was just getting ready to ask where I get a form for submission on the topic of dead nation, since that will be the free plus game next week. I want to talk about it since I missed it on the ps3.

 

[Fulle]

Quotes from Critics:

"More repetitive and unsatisfactory than we expected"
"Generic level design"
"A world without magic"
"The story is also a convoluted mess"
"It's not the most innovative or the most visually dazzling game."
"Checkpoint hiccups, framerate issues, and difficulty spikes"
"Knack is best described as a PSOne title in shiny modern clothing."
"Proof that charm isn’t always enough."
"Knack desperately wants to be the 3D platformers of old, but dull combat and a half-hearted story leave it difficult to recommend."
"Repetitive gameplay on top of being frustratingly difficult at times."
"Playing Knack is like watching a dull movie on a plane – it's tolerable if all you want is a way to pass the time, but it's not something you'd seek out for its own sake."
"There's nothing to recommend "



Players:

"The gameplay is simple and very bland"
"Finished it in 8 hours."
"Terrible, terrible game"
"Knack was bland, boring, repetitive, short and unoriginal."
"Bland environments, very repetitive combat, lousy characters and storytelling,"
"Knack also suffers from lag. A LOT of lag. This makes several of the boss battles throughout the game incredible frustrating."
"Never has a game made me rage with so much... disappointment!?"

 

[KeithTalent]

Heh, I was just about to fire up Knack for another play through the other night, but I got distracted by Game of Thrones. Soon though; I like the game. /shrug

KT