The Official PS4 Thread

[exdeath]

Too. Exciting. It's like Deus Ex + GTA. Pissed that it comes out the week AFTER the holiday weekend though, thanks for that.

 

[sze5003]

Too. Exciting. It's like Deus Ex + GTA. Pissed that it comes out the week AFTER the holiday weekend though, thanks for that.

Yeah I know if it was out Monday I would be off and have time to play.

 

[dguy6789]

Sony's CEO and top execs are taking a 50% pay cut and losing their bonuses due to the company posting an annual loss for the fourth time in five years.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/13/sonys-ceo-executives-taking-50-pay-cut-losing-bonuses

I had no idea Sony went that many years in the negative.

 

[exdeath]

They lost their advantage in TVs when flat panels pretty much leveled the quality playing field and simultaneously removed any profit margins possible. Most people are content with $100 50" Wal-Mart TVs.

Going into computers was a mistake, esp now with PCs on the decline.

They threw a ton of money at Blu-Ray. And now digital streaming ,Netflix, etc is replacing physical media for the masses who still hook up their PS3/360 with the yellow RCA.

All their proprietary media and vendor lock in methods backfired in their face.

PS3 had a horrible start.

Yeah, they have been in trouble.

 

[Arkaign]

The larger Sony is definitely not stable. PS itself is basically independent as it is, not a whole lot would change if Sony went away and the brand changed to PS brand (as long as they remain successful in the console space, it would take time to build up significant assets to weather a bad generation). The reason Sega died is easy to see, and the same could happen to a hypothetical Playstation brand as well if they made the same errors.

But yeah, Sony could close their doors tomorrow and PS would still be here.

 

[Lil Frier]

Uh...what?

I'm lost here...help me out.

So you suggest boycotting sony because it may not be 1080p @ 60fps?

Hyperbolic sarcasm for a potential matter. Just saying that folks cried about the visuals with the One, so if this happen on PS4, I expect similar tears to follow.

In all reality, people would just say it's the One's fault, though.

 

[Arkaign]

Hyperbolic sarcasm for a potential matter. Just saying that folks cried about the visuals with the One, so if this happen on PS4, I expect similar tears to follow.

In all reality, people would just say it's the One's fault, though.

Well, MS invested serious BoM budget into non-gaming things (Kinect mainly), and that resulted in a slower console with weaker visuals. It's all a matter of perspective. If the WiiU was 50% higher in GPU than the PS4 for the same price or less, then there would be a reason to complain about the PS4's power level.

The PS4 is the most powerful console, and so will have the best multiplat performance of the generation, it's basically accepted at this point.

XB1 can remain relevant by releasing top-tier exclusives. Which I think Phil understands extremely well. He can't un-do the errors that led to the XB1 being what it is, but he can make the best of things for sure, and I think he will.

 

[cmdrdredd]

They lost their advantage in TVs when flat panels pretty much leveled the quality playing field and simultaneously removed any profit margins possible. Most people are content with $100 50" Wal-Mart TVs.

Going into computers was a mistake, esp now with PCs on the decline.

They threw a ton of money at Blu-Ray. And now digital streaming ,Netflix, etc is replacing physical media for the masses who still hook up their PS3/360 with the yellow RCA.

All their proprietary media and vendor lock in methods backfired in their face.

PS3 had a horrible start.

Yeah, they have been in trouble.

When you look up "best LCD TV" the Sony models top nearly every list but they cost more than nearly every other option at a specific size. I mean, I paid $2000 for my 55" w900a Sony LCD. You can find a 55" from Samsung or others for half that. Or move up in size and still pay less. However, I paid for the low input lag and better screen.

That is why they are getting hosed on TV sales, price. They try to be a premium brand but few are willing to pay premium prices.

 

[Lil Frier]

Well, MS invested serious BoM budget into non-gaming things (Kinect mainly), and that resulted in a slower console with weaker visuals. It's all a matter of perspective. If the WiiU was 50% higher in GPU than the PS4 for the same price or less, then there would be a reason to complain about the PS4's power level.

The PS4 is the most powerful console, and so will have the best multiplat performance of the generation, it's basically accepted at this point.

XB1 can remain relevant by releasing top-tier exclusives. Which I think Phil understands extremely well. He can't un-do the errors that led to the XB1 being what it is, but he can make the best of things for sure, and I think he will.

All points are true (or, at least, I agree with them), but that's not quite what I am speaking to. Everyone came into this generation expecting 1080p/60 FPS (not that I blame them), then went on a troll spree whenever Sony won the resolution/FPS war against Microsoft (like with Ghosts and BF4). People cried when Forza had detailing cut (myself included, because it's annoying). All I am saying is that if Sony comes out and calls this game 1080p/60FPS, and it ends up NOT being that, I'd sure like to see similar outrage like Microsoft gets for its graphical miscues.

 

[Bman123]

People will rage about anything. If it isn't 60 fps on ps4 people will bitch about it whether or not Sony says it runs at that frame rate

 

[sze5003]

They are bitching about watch dogs not being 1080 and 60fps. Just go look at neogaf lol. I'm hoping the game still looks good. Ac was 900p and looked great before the 1080 patch.

 

[toughtrasher]

They are bitching about watch dogs not being 1080 and 60fps. Just go look at neogaf lol. I'm hoping the game still looks good. Ac was 900p and looked great before the 1080 patch.

Indicating that Watch Dogs might get a 1080 patch? :awe:

 

[sze5003]

Indicating that Watch Dogs might get a 1080 patch? :awe:

I don't think so. Ac was a port and was released early but watchdogs is a full launch title. It's pretty much all done. The game was delayed for so long that I guess they needed to get all the dynamic open world elements right, and weren't able to improve it to 1080p. Kind of crappy but you can interact with all the npc's via hacking and various other activities.

 

[toughtrasher]

I don't think so. Ac was a port and was released early but watchdogs is a full launch title. It's pretty much all done. The game was delayed for so long that I guess they needed to get all the dynamic open world elements right, and weren't able to improve it to 1080p. Kind of crappy but you can interact with all the npc's via hacking and various other activities.

Hmm, okay. I mean, not being 1080p doesn't bother me much, and I'd gladly take that level of interaction over the pixels.

What happened to all the people saying gameplay defines a game, not graphics?! D::sneaky:

 

[zerocool84]

All points are true (or, at least, I agree with them), but that's not quite what I am speaking to. Everyone came into this generation expecting 1080p/60 FPS (not that I blame them), then went on a troll spree whenever Sony won the resolution/FPS war against Microsoft (like with Ghosts and BF4). People cried when Forza had detailing cut (myself included, because it's annoying). All I am saying is that if Sony comes out and calls this game 1080p/60FPS, and it ends up NOT being that, I'd sure like to see similar outrage like Microsoft gets for its graphical miscues.

It would be if Xbox One was at a higher resolution or FPS than the PS4 version but that'll never happen which is why people complain about the Xbone version.

 

[Lil Frier]

It would be if Xbox One was at a higher resolution or FPS than the PS4 version but that'll never happen which is why people complain about the Xbone version.

Not really. I mean, Forza came out as the only racing option on the consoles at 1080p/60FPS, yet people cried more about the downgraded crowd quality than about the fact that NFS: Rivals was 1080p/30 FPS.

 

[Bman123]

I don't think so. Ac was a port and was released early but watchdogs is a full launch title. It's pretty much all done. The game was delayed for so long that I guess they needed to get all the dynamic open world elements right, and weren't able to improve it to 1080p. Kind of crappy but you can interact with all the npc's via hacking and various other activities.

Yeah it sounds good, i'm looking forward to it

 

[Wingznut]

Not really. I mean, Forza came out as the only racing option on the consoles at 1080p/60FPS, yet people cried more about the downgraded crowd quality than about the fact that NFS: Rivals was 1080p/30 FPS.

Which just shows that some people just look to complain about something, especially if that something is not on the "side" they choose.

Same with Watch Dogs. 1080p, 900p, 1079i, etc... A few pixels of resolution is not going to be the determining factor whether or not this game is entertaining. Well, except to those who are just looking to complain.

 

[Lil Frier]

Which just shows that some people just look to complain about something, especially if that something is not on the "side" they choose.

Same with Watch Dogs. 1080p, 900p, 1079i, etc... A few pixels of resolution is not going to be the determining factor whether or not this game is entertaining. Well, except to those who are just looking to complain.

Yep. I have bad eyesight, and have no idea how to evaluate image quality. I probably couldn't pick 720p from 1080p or 30 FPS from 60 FPS or whatever anti-aliasing acronyms that are used in different games. Ignorance truly is bliss with graphics, IMO. I find myself having issues with some older games (like Half-Life) over graphical quality, so I imagine it's the worst OCD ever to be a gamer who has issues with seeing every graphical flaw in a game.

The biggest thing about me is I have a 720p TV, so I couldn't be bothered to care about this if I was paid to. I'd love to know how many of the folks crying over 1080p are on 720p TVs like me. Throwing a fit over it when your TV can't even handle that resolution...so pitiful.

 

[Bman123]

The only time I'd complain would be when the game looks way better on ps4 over xbone but then I'd play it on my ps4 instead of my xbone and call it a day.
Ghosts ran like shit on ps4 with the frame rate all over the place, the rest was higher on ps4 and I still bought it for xbone

 

[sze5003]

Yep. I have bad eyesight, and have no idea how to evaluate image quality. I probably couldn't pick 720p from 1080p or 30 FPS from 60 FPS or whatever anti-aliasing acronyms that are used in different games. Ignorance truly is bliss with graphics, IMO. I find myself having issues with some older games (like Half-Life) over graphical quality, so I imagine it's the worst OCD ever to be a gamer who has issues with seeing every graphical flaw in a game.

The biggest thing about me is I have a 720p TV, so I couldn't be bothered to care about this if I was paid to. I'd love to know how many of the folks crying over 1080p are on 720p TVs like me. Throwing a fit over it when your TV can't even handle that resolution...so pitiful.

You can sort of tell with tv and shows if you have a big enough screen. It is noticeable at some points. As for the fps as long as it plays smoothly, you won't know what it is on the consoles. There is no fraps app for either console.

 

[Wingznut]

You can sort of tell with tv and shows if you have a big enough screen. It is noticeable at some points. As for the fps as long as it plays smoothly, you won't know what it is on the consoles. There is no fraps app for either console.

Which reinforces my point... None of it really matters, unless you are just looking to criticize something.

 

[sze5003]

Which reinforces my point... None of it really matters, unless you are just looking to criticize something.

Yea i have said before that AC without the 1080 patch I thought looked great on ps4. After the patch I don't think I noticed any difference. Maybe the screen scaling was better since I had a bigger tv. From the videos I've seen the game looks good enough on ps4. Could it be better, sure but that won't start happening until later.

 

[007ELmO]

If you're using a projector you most definitely can see the difference between 720p and 1080p! It's not just frame rate (i.e. some may think 720p 60 frames is looking better than 1080p running at a lower frame rate). You need your eyes checked if you can't see it on a projector, i can agree on a TV it's more difficult because the distance your eyes need to resolve resolution differences is much closer as the screen size gets smaller.

4K streaming is here and PCs can play games at 4K, I sometimes think the console generation is going to get lost or crash again (when the entry price is basically half a grand).

For instance, the last of Us looks great on PS3 but I can tell it's running in 720p. I can't wait for the PS4 version.

We think some point will arrive, where the games are not about graphics anymore because they can't take it any further; but graphics still play a major part (whether that's resolution or frame rate). Nintendo seems to not care about GFX that much, and they're about to drown. There's still a large percentage of gamers who go goo-goo ga-ga just for graphics. I don't think they are the minority.

 

[exdeath]

1080p on 4k doesnt look bad though. It's perfect trivial integer doubling in both axis.

720p only looks bad on 1080p because of upscaling and non integer filtering blurs everything and adds latency.