The Official PS4 Thread

[Pikaboo]

I cant believe Diablo 4 is on ps4 omg

 

[Durvelle27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dkqVsvgb-t4

 

[gothamhunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dkqVsvgb-t4

Been under a rock? Been outed as fake pretty much everywhere...

 

[Durvelle27]

Been under a rock? Been outed as fake pretty much everywhere...

actually i have :whiste:

 

[purbeast0]

heh the description of the video even says it is fake.

 

[crisium]

Some tech analysis for Killzone 4:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-killzone-shadow-fall

RAM, polygons, AA, and CPU cores all discussed.

 

[purbeast0]

that is the first time i've seen the kz4 footage. i'm not sure how i feel about it to be honest. my first impression was "thats it?" because it didn't seem like anything "next gen" to me. but the more i watched the video the more i noticed how great the lighting looked. but other than that and more things going on, the actual graphics looked very similar to ps3 imo. the 720p version also didn't look very crisp so maybe that was it too. probably also that i'm totally burnt out of fps games and don't really care for em anymore.

 

[Silver Prime]

We'll see.

 

[Aikouka]

I thought it was interesting when I was looking at that Killzone article and saw that they were doing physics on the CPUs, and then they mentioned below that they aren't really using the GPU for compute. I wonder if they think that they aren't doing enough physics to really warrant taking GPU resources away from their first duty: graphics.

 

[UNCjigga]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/

"The result is a 33% reduction in compute power, from 1.84 TFLOPs in the PS4 to 1.23 TFLOPs in the Xbox One."

Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz). Unlike last generation, you don't need to be some sort of Jedi to extract the PS4's potential here. The Xbox One and PS4 architectures are quite similar, Sony just has more hardware under the hood. We’ll have to wait and see how this hardware delta gets exposed in games over time, but the gap is definitely there.

So it's official then--the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Gamers rejoice--Sony built a platform focused on games and not on taking over your living room. But will you really be able to tell the difference in cross-platform games? Which one will you buy (first)?

 

[cmdrdredd]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/





So it's official then--the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Gamers rejoice--Sony built a platform focused on games and not on taking over your living room. But will you really be able to tell the difference in cross-platform games? Which one will you buy (first)?

You will be able to tell. Developers like DICE, & Bungie will take advantage of this. If by cross platform you mean the Sports/CoD yearly releases...of course not but I don't even count those anyway.

You have sites that do comparisons of all the cross platform games already that tell people "this one has better lighting or textures". This will continue and there will undoubtedly be differences noticed.

 

[UNCjigga]

You will be able to tell. Developers like DICE, & Bungie will take advantage of this. If by cross platform you mean the Sports/CoD yearly releases...of course not but I don't even count those anyway.

You have sites that do comparisons of all the cross platform games already that tell people "this one has better lighting or textures". This will continue and there will undoubtedly be differences noticed.

By cross-platform I meant games that aren't exclusive to any one platform. You better believe that any PS4 exclusives will make use of all the shader resources available. But if the architectures are so similar, would developers choose to target the Xbox One hardware as the lowest common denominator for acceptable performance?

 

[cmdrdredd]

By cross-platform I meant games that aren't exclusive to any one platform. You better believe that any PS4 exclusives will make use of all the shader resources available. But if the architectures are so similar, would developers choose to target the Xbox One hardware as the lowest common denominator for acceptable performance?

Bungie and DICE make games for both systems (Destiny and Battlefield 4). Maybe not in BF4, but the next BF game might be closer to what we get on the PC than the XboxOne.

I also think there are developers who would start with the PS4 and then start turning stuff off/down to make it run the same on the Xbox. Since they would not need to do much work beyond that and getting it to run on the OS.

 

[dagamer34]

By cross-platform I meant games that aren't exclusive to any one platform. You better believe that any PS4 exclusives will make use of all the shader resources available. But if the architectures are so similar, would developers choose to target the Xbox One hardware as the lowest common denominator for acceptable performance?

If gamers can't even tell that current games run at sub-720p resolutions, what makes you think they'll be able to tell the difference between the PS4 and XBOX One versions of games? Heck, unless the differences were blindingly obvious (they usually aren't), you're going to need a Digital Foundry article to be able to tell.

System specs have never won a console generation. Games always have. Console manufacturers always need to be careful with that trap, as it's what prevented the PS3 from having any real success until 2009 when they finally got the price down to $299.

 

[American Gunner]

Has there been anything writted about is cross-game chat will just be between two people, or if they will be giving us a party chat system like on the 360? I usually have a group of about 6-8 friends and we will jump into a party chat, unless I am playing a single player game and don't want to be interuppted while I listen to the story.

 

[Silver Prime]

Then I wonder what the Ps5 will be capable of?

 

[Doppel]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/





So it's official then--the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Gamers rejoice--Sony built a platform focused on games and not on taking over your living room. But will you really be able to tell the difference in cross-platform games? Which one will you buy (first)?

Anandtech hath spoken and even if most of the difference can only be seen on vid game sites with a side by side It is important to me.mi seems like this diff is bigger than current gen and likely without the hamstringing complexity of the ps3.

 

[Silver Prime]

The the next gen will be holographic...

 

[kami]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/





So it's official then--the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Gamers rejoice--Sony built a platform focused on games and not on taking over your living room. But will you really be able to tell the difference in cross-platform games? Which one will you buy (first)?

I'm kind of disappointed MS skimped on the GPU so much (probably to offset cost to put a kinect in every box, along with using DDR3 memory instead of GDDR5). This will affect all multi platform games since they tend to develop for the lowest common denominator then port it. Especially with such similar hardware now. Therefore PS4s extra juice will only really benefit its exclusive games.

As an "xbox guy" since 2001 (who also owned a ps3 once prices weren't absurd), I am getting the PS4 first. Perhaps in a year or two the xbox one will have some exclusives which will make it worthwhile, but the xbox one reveal was bullshit. Most of the people watching the reveal were "cord cutters" and give zero fucks about cable tv.

I do like the design of the Xbone though... would look nice on a home theater shelf. Not flimsy and cheap like the 360. Controller also looks good. Glad they didn't completely load it up with gimmicks. They already had the best controller (IMO), no need to re-invent it.

Microsoft is doing what Sony did when they launched the PS3. Pissing everyone off and acting like they're god's gift to gaming. Some call it the "third console curse"

 

[dagamer34]

I'm kind of disappointed MS skimped on the GPU so much (probably to offset cost to put a kinect in every box, along with using DDR3 memory instead of GDDR5). This will affect all multi platform games since they tend to develop for the lowest common denominator then port it. Especially with such similar hardware now. Therefore PS4s extra juice will only really benefit its exclusive games.

As an "xbox guy" since 2001 (who also owned a ps3 once prices weren't absurd), I am getting the PS4 first. Perhaps in a year or two the xbox one will have some exclusives which will make it worthwhile, but the xbox one reveal was bullshit. Most of the people watching the reveal were "cord cutters" and give zero fucks about cable tv.

I do like the design of the Xbone though... would look nice on a home theater shelf. Not flimsy and cheap like the 360. Controller also looks good. Glad they didn't completely load it up with gimmicks. They already had the best controller (IMO), no need to re-invent it.

Microsoft is doing what Sony did when they launched the PS3. Pissing everyone off and acting like they're god's gift to gaming. Some call it the "third console curse"

Microsoft "skimping" on the GPU requires that they knew what Sony was building early enough to change their own plans. When you're talking about dev cycles of silicon ranging in years, that's just simply not possible. A die can only be so large before cost targets for good production yields just simply become astronomical. No one is going to buy a $900 box because 90% of the silicon you are getting back from your fab fails and you need to cover the cost of production of all those wafers.

A console never has and never will be the place to go for the best raw performing parts possible. A 3.5 teraflop box isn't suddenly going to make a crappy game any better.

 

[Doppel]

Most of the people watching the reveal were "cord cutters" and give zero fucks about cable tv.

A lot of us, certainly. Given that I am leaning heavily to dropping my satellite quite soon I couldn't care any less about a box that works with cable tv.

Games do go for lowest common, but you can see with PC games on all three platforms the PC often can do better, and so if the code for the One and PS4 are more or less the same, it comes down to graphic config for the PS4 release, and they should be able to jack it up a bit over the One.

I hope that Microsoft just frankly f***ks off at E3 with this TV nonsense and goes hard into gaming. I don't want to hear about it again. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not conclude they have decided to piss everyone off until E3 is past. Xbox always has centered around gaming and I'm hopeful it will now, even though the launch was, the more I think about it disappointing. At the rate I'm going, I'll drop satellite this year and my "hub" will be the apple TV device in the main TV room. The gaming console is in the basement anyway and the only thing it does is games. It will have to be really magic for it to earn a spot in the family room.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[gorcorps]

You will be able to tell. Developers like DICE, & Bungie will take advantage of this. If by cross platform you mean the Sports/CoD yearly releases...of course not but I don't even count those anyway.

You have sites that do comparisons of all the cross platform games already that tell people "this one has better lighting or textures". This will continue and there will undoubtedly be differences noticed.

Oh please

The PS3 was more powerful on paper too but when push came to shove in the real world it meant squat

 

[gorcorps]

Been under a rock? Been outed as fake pretty much everywhere...

Still, it's well done.

 

[KaOTiK]

Oh please

The PS3 was more powerful on paper too but when push came to shove in the real world it meant squat

You forgot a huge reason why. The cell is a pain in the ass to program for. When devs have been able to truly tap into it, they have made the best looking games this gen on consoles (Uncharted series).

This time around, both consoles are using a well known platform for development that devs know very well and from the get go will get to take advantage from. It is going to mean differences this time, and not by a small number of games. You're probably going to see sharper textures, better effects, higher frame rates. It is going to be real easy to see who the lazy devs are this time around.