Silver Prime
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You forgot a huge reason why. The cell is a pain in the ass to program for. When devs have been able to truly tap into it, they have made the best looking games this gen on consoles (Uncharted series).
This time around, both consoles are using a well known platform for development that devs know very well and from the get go will get to take advantage from. It is going to mean differences this time, and not by a small number of games. You're probably going to see sharper textures, better effects, higher frame rates. It is going to be real easy to see who the lazy devs are this time around.
Are we ever going to see what this damn PS4 even looks like?
You've seen one half of it, the controller. The other half is this:Are we ever going to see what this damn PS4 even looks like?
You forgot a huge reason why. The cell is a pain in the ass to program for. When devs have been able to truly tap into it, they have made the best looking games this gen on consoles (Uncharted series).
This time around, both consoles are using a well known platform for development that devs know very well and from the get go will get to take advantage from. It is going to mean differences this time, and not by a small number of games. You're probably going to see sharper textures, better effects, higher frame rates. It is going to be real easy to see who the lazy devs are this time around.
Agreed. The PS4 and Xbone have the same CPU, and the same GPU architecture. It shouldn't be hard to take advantage of the extra shaders in the PS4.
I see three possible scenarios:
1. Multiplatform games are identical, as they will optimize around the Xbone
2. Multiplatform games will look identical, as they will optimize around the Xbone, but PS4 gameplay will be smoother because fps drops on the Xbone will be less severe or nonexistent on the faster PF4
3. Multiplatform games will look a little better on the PS4. Perhaps the equivalent of changing some settings from High to Very High on a PC game: not a generational gap but an appreciable one never-the-less.
I think scenario 2 is most likely, but I hope 3 is what happens.
Of courser exclusive games will be optimized for the 50% more shaders and should stand out on the PS4.
Agreed. The PS4 and Xbone have the same CPU, and the same GPU architecture. It shouldn't be hard to take advantage of the extra shaders in the PS4.
I see three possible scenarios:
1. Multiplatform games are identical, as they will optimize around the Xbone
2. Multiplatform games will look identical, as they will optimize around the Xbone, but PS4 gameplay will be smoother because fps drops on the Xbone will be less severe or nonexistent on the faster PS4
3. Multiplatform games will look a little better on the PS4. Perhaps the equivalent of changing some settings from High to Very High on a PC game: not a generational gap but an appreciable one never-the-less.
I think scenario 2 is most likely, but I hope 3 is what happens.
Of course exclusive games will be optimized for the 50% more shaders and should stand out on the PS4.
1. Multiplatform games are identical, as they will optimize around the Xbone
2. Multiplatform games will look identical, as they will optimize around the Xbone, but PS4 gameplay will be smoother because fps drops on the Xbone will be less severe or nonexistent on the faster PS4
3. Multiplatform games will look a little better on the PS4. Perhaps the equivalent of changing some settings from High to Very High on a PC game: not a generational gap but an appreciable one never-the-less.
Effective use of minimalistic resources is rarely a fun task as it sometimes requires tweaking to get it right.
Are we ever going to see what this damn PS4 even looks like?
No pics? Hmm, then possibly its coming out next year, I mean 2014=Ps4 thats a nice catchy resemblence.
Guesstimating for fun on PS4 cost!
$80 for the 8 core custom x86-64 APU
$40 for the Mother Board with wifi ext.
$55 for the 8GB DDR5
$25 for the 500gb HDD
$15 for the PSU
$30 for the custom casing
$35 for the bluray
$25 for the 1x controller
$20 for the PS4 camera's
$40 for Fabrication and Assembly
$5 for the packaging
$5 Shipping on Parts to assembly & to global distributors
$5 all Cables
Total $380 + Store profit + distributor Profit
$449-$499 Price point
Guesstimating for fun on PS4 cost!
$80 for the 8 core custom x86-64 APU
$40 for the Mother Board with wifi ext.
$55 for the 8GB DDR5
$25 for the 500gb HDD
$15 for the PSU
$30 for the custom casing
$35 for the bluray
$25 for the 1x controller
$20 for the PS4 camera's
$40 for Fabrication and Assembly
$5 for the packaging
$5 Shipping on Parts to assembly & to global distributors
$5 all Cables
Total $380 + Store profit + distributor Profit
$449-$499 Price point
I say both consoles starting at $400 and probably a higher GB version. I'd definitely spring for the larger hard drive version.
You've seen one half of it, the controller. The other half is this:
The entire purchased system is just a controller that uses a wi-fi signal to hit back at the Sony servers, everything is cloud based, the controller is just a dumb client! :biggrin:
$400's going to be difficult for the One though (unsubsidized), unless MS reverses course on bundling Kinect.
$400's going to be difficult for the One though (unsubsidized), unless MS reverses course on bundling Kinect.
and the only way it will sell at $400 is if SONY and MS want to take a hit on the machines..
I think both SONY and MS are going to be selling these things at ZERO profit but ZERO expense to them.. so at the end of the day they may make ZERO profit on the sale of each console "even LOSE money on advertisement" but they will make back money in the long run.