The Official PS4 Thread

[exdeath]

Am I the only person that couldn't care less about JRPG's, especially anything with Final Fantasy in the title?

I care about JRPGs very much, but Final Fantasy can go to hell. Square ruined the series by selling out and catering to the mainstream. If modern Final Fantasy games are why you don't like RPGs, I feel for you, because even I hate them now.

Seriously, if the last couple current gen Final Fantasy games is what you think I want when I say there are too many shooters and not enough RPGs, then you couldn't be more wrong, and I can fully understand why you don't like RPGs. Most of the big name current gen RPGs suck balls.

Final Fantasy has meant less and less to me with each release since 7.

I only played XIII because I was desperate for ANYTHING. And while it was "OK" in it's own way, its just not the Square or Final Fantasy I knew and loved.

Square can't make a proper RPG anymore to save it's life right now, hence all the remakes from their former glory days every time a new console launches.

Look to Namco and Atlus for the real RPG gems this generation, however few and mostly on portables.

Examples of more modern RPGs that should NOT be missed?

Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts, Ni no Kuni, Fire Emblem Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Radiant Historia, etc.

All are better than that recycled horse shit they call Final Fantasy these days.

Coincidentally you will note that the games I mentioned span numerous systems through two generations with the glaring exception of one platform: XBox.

And maybe that is where all the conflict is between myself and a isolated few here: I've grown to loathe XBox for this glaring omission in it's selection, and you guys grow tired of me hating on Xbox because if all you have is XBox you don't know what a good RPG actually is and you think I'm seriously in love with the modern shit like Final Fantasy that passes for a RPG these days.

 

[Sulaco]

I care about JRPGs very much, but Final Fantasy can go to hell. Square ruined the series by selling out and catering to the mainstream. If modern Final Fantasy games are why you don't like RPGs, I feel for you, because even I hate them now.

Seriously, if the last couple current gen Final Fantasy games is what you think I want when I say there are too many shooters and not enough RPGs, then you couldn't be more wrong, and I can fully understand why you don't like RPGs. Most of the big name current gen RPGs suck balls.

Final Fantasy has meant less and less to me with each release since 7.

I only played XIII because I was desperate for ANYTHING. And while it was "OK" in it's own way, its just not the Square or Final Fantasy I knew and loved.

Square can't make a proper RPG anymore to save it's life right now, hence all the remakes from their former glory days every time a new console launches.

Look to Namco and Atlus for the real RPG gems this generation, however few and mostly on portables.

Examples of more modern RPGs that should NOT be missed?

Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts, Ni no Kuni, Fire Emblem Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, etc.

All are better than that recycled horse shit they call Final Fantasy these days.

Coincidentally you will note that the games I mentioned span numerous system with the glaring exception of one: XBox.

Here we go again. 360 had Lost Odyssey...which...no other system has. Which, for my money, is as good as Xenoblade Chronicles, and one of the better JRPGs of the generation.

The original Xbox had BioWare RPGs, which tore Square RPGs, and many JRPGs of the time, a new asshole. It wasn't even close.

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The problem with JRPGs is that they are very much hit or miss. A JRPG is carried by it's story and characters. If those are lacking, chances are, it's not going to be enjoyable. I know people like to putz around with battle systems and card games, but c'mon, most people don't play a JRPG unless they really get into the story being told, and the characters.

On the flipside, many western RPGs, specifically like Bethesda RPGs, are more about the setting, the atmosphere, and the exploration. I can't tell you the number of people I've encountered who don't know or care about the backstory of Skyrim or Fallout....they just like to wander around exploring, fighting, and leveling up.

That's fine. There's room for both. They both offer very different experiences, but you get far less freedom in JRPGs....which means if the story is stupid or the characters are annoying (as they have been lately), the whole game is dragged down.

 

[Silver Prime]

Sony is starting to look very good in the line ups. Almost too good.

 

[exdeath]

Here we go again. 360 had Lost Odyssey...which...no other system has. Which, for my money, is as good as Xenoblade Chronicles, and one of the better JRPGs of the generation.

The original Xbox had BioWare RPGs, which tore Square RPGs, and many JRPGs of the time, a new asshole. It wasn't even close.

Yeah pretty much anything tore Square a new asshole from PS2 on. Why do you think I'm so pissed? Square, the long time sure steady stream of quality JRPGs, is dead, and nothing has really taken it's place. We get a random game here and there once in 5 years like Lost Odyssey. And then... nothing.

The problem with JRPGs is that they are very much hit or miss. A JRPG is carried by it's story and characters. If those are lacking, chances are, it's not going to be enjoyable. I know people like to putz around with battle systems and card games, but c'mon, most people don't play a JRPG unless they really get into the story being told, and the characters.

...JRPGs....which means if the story is stupid or the characters are annoying (as they have been lately), the whole game is dragged down.

Yes, the reason again why I'm pissed. We can't just make a JRPG with a stunning story and character cast, no, most of what passes for a JRPG these days is shallow "Im too bad ass for my 2000 ton sword!" emo characters and shallow 5 minute stories while all the focus is put into action packed exciting flashy Call of Doodoo inspired battle systems. Games are too focused on being "cool" and "action packed mature" instead of just being themselves.

When the absolute most memerable highlight of a JRPG is how much damage you can do or the biggest combo you can do, or how self appointed bad ass a character's attitude compares to Marcus Fenix or Master Chief, you are completely fucking doing it wrong.

And that's exactly why they suck and why I've grown to hate this generation.

Oh yeah: "Lost Odyssey was produced by Hironobu Sakaguchi, the creator of the famed Final Fantasy series."

So explains why it's good and Square has been failing since he left.

 

[zinfamous]

On the flipside, many western RPGs, specifically like Bethesda RPGs, are more about the setting, the atmosphere, and the exploration. I can't tell you the number of people I've encountered who don't know or care about the backstory of Skyrim or Fallout....they just like to wander around exploring, fighting, and leveling up.

That's fine. There's room for both. They both offer very different experiences, but you get far less freedom in JRPGs....which means if the story is stupid or the characters are annoying (as they have been lately), the whole game is dragged down.

yeah, that's the problem. added to that, FF went completely linear with FFX and ceased to be a real RPG in my estimation--it actually had at least one interesting character--Auron, I think was his name--but the rest of the game was a turd. Once you destroy the story, cram it with shit characters, and completely remove exploration as they did with FF, I begin to wonder if they should even be considered RPGs?

I tried playing the next one that wasn't the MMO--the last one on PS2. same horrible crap, and they even removed the menu driven/ATB system. So you just set macros for your party, and run around maps until you encounter something and just watch as all your macros do their thing. All you need on the game pad at that point is the d-pad. Utterly horrible.

 

[mizzou]

Sony is starting to look very good in the line ups. Almost too good.

Yeah. I'm worried they flub E3.

But.., PS3 humbled the crap out of them. I think they are willing to take risks.

Hopefully they talk the talk. The whole indie wooing, possible doing a double face to Xbones game resale market, a much stronger performing box, focusing on GAMES, is all making Sony look like a clear leader right now.

I mean, that would be absolutely disastrous PR wise for Microsoft.

Sony already made their decisions...although these things aren't necessarily set in stone, but something huge like network/system architecture is. To redesign that would not only take technical time, it would take time to resolve different design with publishers.

We'll just have to see

 

[luv2liv]

the difference in graphics was clear going from ps1 to ps2 to ps3. i dont see much difference from ps3 to ps4. the games pretty much look the same and probably could be done on the ps3. for this round, i will skip

 

[purbeast0]

the difference in graphics was clear going from ps1 to ps2 to ps3. i dont see much difference from ps3 to ps4. the games pretty much look the same and probably could be done on the ps3. for this round, i will skip

lolwut?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Skip, as in not pay for something that is inferior to my current PC out of the box and requires that I never own a game fully. As in f--k 2nd rate & greedy BS.

exdeath, did you ever play Morrowind on the Xbox? That was amazing when it came out. It was what Fable was supposed to be.

 

[purbeast0]

Skip, as in not pay for something that is inferior to my current PC out of the box and requires that I never own a game fully. As in f--k 2nd rate & greedy BS.

exdeath, did you ever play Morrowind on the Xbox? That was amazing when it came out. It was what Fable was supposed to be.

thanks for reminding me how clueless you are.

 

[Nemesis13]

KH3 could in theory have Marvel and Star Wars characters now since Disney owns all of them.

 

[smackababy]

Skip, as in not pay for something that is inferior to my current PC out of the box and requires that I never own a game fully. As in f--k 2nd rate & greedy BS.

exdeath, did you ever play Morrowind on the Xbox? That was amazing when it came out. It was what Fable was supposed to be.

Please do tell how I own all that PC software on that superior PC I have?

 

[zerocool84]

the difference in graphics was clear going from ps1 to ps2 to ps3. i dont see much difference from ps3 to ps4. the games pretty much look the same and probably could be done on the ps3. for this round, i will skip

PS2 -> PS3 was a huge jump graphically, this generation will still be able massive leap in power but the graphics difference will not be as large because we already have HD gaming. It'll take a while before we see how large is difference the extra power will make.

 

[Aikouka]

Please do tell how I own all that PC software on that superior PC I have?

I don't think there's any statement in his post that says that PC owner's do own their software. I've heard complaints from others that one of the nice things about consoles was how game discs/carts were easily traded, and that's gone. I guess it's essentially like they're removing some of the preferred convenience of consoles.

 

[Tweak155]

I don't think there's any statement in his post that says that PC owner's do own their software. I've heard complaints from others that one of the nice things about consoles was how game discs/carts were easily traded, and that's gone. I guess it's essentially like they're removing some of the preferred convenience of consoles.

Yep... turning them into PC's with controllers. Might as well get the games for cheaper on Steam... probably biggest difference!

 

[BladeVenom]

the difference in graphics was clear going from ps1 to ps2 to ps3. i dont see much difference from ps3 to ps4. the games pretty much look the same and probably could be done on the ps3. for this round, i will skip

The PS4 is roughly x10 more powerful than the PS3.

 

[exdeath]

The PS4 is roughly x10 more powerful than the PS3.

So that means 10,000p.... Oh no it doesn't....

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Please do tell how I own all that PC software on that superior PC I have?

You don't pirate it? Seems simple enough.

 

[smackababy]

You don't pirate it? Seems simple enough.

Every software delivery platform only sells licenses. You don't own the software. You just purchased rights to it. The licenses are non transferable and can be discontinued if you break the license agreement.

 

[Arkaign]

Every software delivery platform only sells licenses. You don't own the software. You just purchased rights to it. The licenses are non transferable and can be discontinued if you break the license agreement.

Well yeah, but the copy of Super Mario Galaxy 2 I have here will work regardless of which Wii I put it in, and will continue to do so as long as there are working systems compatible with it, internet or no internet. I'd say to my satisfaction, I DO own this game. I don't consider myself having the right to make copies of the game, or anything of that nature. But this disc, this box, and the right to play the game on any system I choose, the right to sell it to whoever, or give it to whoever, without dealing with some money grubbing bastards, is entirely my choice. Because of this, it has intrinsic value, and will still be worth something in 20 years. If Xbone's policies of used games and internet checks are indeed valid as they've confirmed, then indeed you're basically just 'renting' the game temporarily from them, it will be useless after the servers go down, and it has ZERO long term value whatsoever.

THAT'S the difference. Defending Microsoft to the death over this sea change in console status quo is a pretty hard thing to do without looking like a shill or a fanboy. We know that digital distribution is the future, that games will be just like they are already on PC : licensed invididually with transfer incredibly difficult or impossible, but that's not the way consoles have EVER been.

 

[Silver Prime]

The PS4 is roughly x10 more powerful than the PS3.

Id say maybe around 3x at best.

 

[Timorous]

Id say maybe around 3x at best.

Well you could say that but it is wrong.

The PS3 has the RSX GPU which is between a 7800GT and the 7600GT. The 7800GT has a VP of 12.3. The PS4 has an 18CU GCN part which puts it between the 7850 and the 7870. The 7850 2GB has a VP of 141 which is more than 10x faster than RSX even when using the higher bound for the RSX and the lower bound for the PS4 GPU.

The rest of the PS4 is also much better than PS3, especially from an ease of extracting performance point of view.

 

[Silver Prime]

Well you could say that but it is wrong.

The PS3 has the RSX GPU which is between a 7800GT and t:5{0GT has a VP of 12.3. The PS4 has an 18CU GCN part which puts it between the 7850 and the 7870. The 7850 2GB has a VP of 141 which is more than 10x faster than RSX even when using the higher bound for the RSX and the lower bound for the PS4 GPU.

The rest of the PS4 is also much better than PS3, especially from an ease of extracting performance point of view.

Yes,

the 46487565 giga-watt p90x powered by lunar solar light alien tech thanos gloves and all that jazz crap, its still not going to be 10x more powerful in terms graphics, whats all that other whistles and do-da's going to do for the game play? Nothing but make it a tad bit smoother and sharper. The game play will revolve around how well the makers of the games can shel out a good story and adding in a little bit of inovations... because everything we can do now can basicaly and will basicaly be the standard, all first person shooters just repeat the same Bs over and over, the same way sprites back in the day revolved around the same things other games of its gen was doing.

Theres only a little more room for improving graphics, then what? 4k and all the mega ultra super duper hd graphics are getting old fast, it seems its just focusing on sharpening the images by magnifying the colors, or like 3-d movies where in most cases the 3-d is so useless it makes the average person wonder why they are focusing on a 3-d digital version of a chair taking you away of comprehending in whats going on in the story/plot...unless its vibrant with a wide vairety of colors and objects like avatar which caters to 3-d, than every movie shouldent just don it self 3d.

I'm hoping the Ps4 will make a huge leap, but what I've been seeing of the teasers true or not, seems to be more like a ps3-part 2 or upgraded version instead of a truly next gen counsle that would make leaps like how the olden days next gen leaps were.

Just saying...

 

[Bobisuruncle54]

Yes,

the 46487565 giga-watt p90x powered by lunar solar light alien tech thanos gloves and all that jazz crap, its still not going to be 10x more powerful in terms graphics, whats all that other whistles and do-da's going to do for the game play? Nothing but make it a tad bit smoother and sharper. The game play will revolve around how well the makers of the games can shel out a good story and adding in a little bit of inovations... because everything we can do now can basicaly and will basicaly be the standard, all first person shooters just repeat the same Bs over and over, the same way sprites back in the day revolved around the same things other games of its gen was doing.

Theres only a little more room for improving graphics, then what? 4k and all the mega ultra super duper hd graphics are getting old fast, it seems its just focusing on sharpening the images by magnifying the colors, or like 3-d movies where in most cases the 3-d is so useless it makes the average person wonder why they are focusing on a 3-d digital version of a chair taking you away of comprehending in whats going on in the story/plot...unless its vibrant with a wide vairety of colors and objects like avatar which caters to 3-d, than every movie shouldent just don it self 3d.

I'm hoping the Ps4 will make a huge leap, but what I've been seeing of the teasers true or not, seems to be more like a ps3-part 2 or upgraded version instead of a truly next gen counsle that would make leaps like how the olden days next gen leaps were.

Just saying...

There's only a little room for improving graphics?! Do you notice the difference between DVD and Bluray?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well yeah, but the copy of Super Mario Galaxy 2 I have here will work regardless of which Wii I put it in, and will continue to do so as long as there are working systems compatible with it, internet or no internet. I'd say to my satisfaction, I DO own this game. I don't consider myself having the right to make copies of the game, or anything of that nature. But this disc, this box, and the right to play the game on any system I choose, the right to sell it to whoever, or give it to whoever, without dealing with some money grubbing bastards, is entirely my choice. Because of this, it has intrinsic value, and will still be worth something in 20 years. If Xbone's policies of used games and internet checks are indeed valid as they've confirmed, then indeed you're basically just 'renting' the game temporarily from them, it will be useless after the servers go down, and it has ZERO long term value whatsoever.

THAT'S the difference. Defending Microsoft to the death over this sea change in console status quo is a pretty hard thing to do without looking like a shill or a fanboy. We know that digital distribution is the future, that games will be just like they are already on PC : licensed invididually with transfer incredibly difficult or impossible, but that's not the way consoles have EVER been.

To add to that, if you buy a game with a disk you can play it on any PC you have from now until who knows when. You can even get old Win98 games to work on Win7 with some patches and stuff. Even if it requires steam to activate, you can always get a patch to remove that later on if Steam ever falls off the face of the earth which honestly I cannot see happening. I can see a future where a new Xbox comes out and they deactivate the old servers that host/autheticate and you can't play the games you have the disk for. Or if the Xbox One just fails and disappears (I doubt this will happen but just theoretical). You can't play your game anymore.