The Official PS4 Thread

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cmdrdredd

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Thay has nothing to do with Sony and everything to do with Square getting its head out of its ass and stop catering to FPS mainstream.

Yeah but Altus is still working on persona 5 for a release at some point. Level 5 probably will have a couple games too.
 

ImpulsE69

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Well the first Final Fantasy was their last hurrah and it hit big. Maybe they need to make a new game called Final Final Fantasy.
 

yllus

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Are the rumours of the PS4 having a pay-to-use-online-multiplayer system false? I heard that bandied around Twitter late yesterday but I can't believe they'd take that step.
 

purbeast0

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Are the rumours of the PS4 having a pay-to-use-online-multiplayer system false? I heard that bandied around Twitter late yesterday but I can't believe they'd take that step.

rumor? there was a slide that jack tretton presented about it during the e3 conference. far from a rumor. it's fact.
 

AMDZen

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Apr 15, 2004
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How much is PSN? How does it compare to the cost of xbox live?

Don't you get a year free with purchase of the Xbone? Same with PS4?
 

purbeast0

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I can't read the article; is the region-free playback true for all Blu-ray movies?

If so this is a slam dunk, no brainer, first day buy for me. Can anyone confirm?

KT

it doesn't say on there, just that ps4 isn't region locked. just shows a twitter post.
 

KeithTalent

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it doesn't say on there, just that ps4 isn't region locked. just shows a twitter post.

Damn, I sure hope that it's true. Kind of hard to believe to be honest, but if it's true, wow, so awesome for someone like me.

KT
 

exdeath

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Jan 29, 2004
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Yeah, da fuq happened to rpg games this gen?

They are the most expensive and longest hardest type of game to produce and aren't mainstream enough to sell 50 million units. Think about it, unique level maps and giant world maps and thousands of monster models for 60+ hours of play, all the animation for tens of dozens of characters, voice actors for 8+ hours of cut scenes, and having an entire musical score performed by a live orchestra that consists of more people than for the orchestra alone than most development teams.

And this generation for the most part was all about maximum return for least effort and pandering to the lowest common denominator masses with simple cookie cutter mechanics. A blue guy, a red guy, a arm, some guns, and a hallway and you're set. And vs mode only; eliminated the need for writers too.
 
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AMDZen

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OK so PSN + exists today, didn't know that. Its $60 a year, just like Xbox live - are the prices the same for the next gen? I thought I heard it was going up in cost for the Xbone
 

AMDZen

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They are the most expensive and longest hardest type of game to produce and aren't mainstream enough to sell 50 million units. Think about it, unique level maps and monster models for 60+ hours of play, all the animation for tens of dozens of characters, voice actors for 8+ hours of cut scenes, and having an entire musical score performed by a live orchestra that consists of more people than for the orchestra alone than most development teams.

And this generation for the most part was all about maximum return for least effort and pandering to the lowest common denominator masses with simple cookie cutter mechanics.

I don't know what either of you guys are talking about. There were tons of great RPG's on PS3 and the biggest announcement yesterday was Kingdom Hearts 3 which is an RPG
 

smackababy

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Damn, I sure hope that it's true. Kind of hard to believe to be honest, but if it's true, wow, so awesome for someone like me.

KT

I believe they are referring to only games being region locked. So, you can import titles. For movies, I highly doubt the MPAA would sign off on such a thing. Wasn't the PS3 also not region locked? Could you play other regioned movies?
 

ImpulsE69

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The good large RPG's were on Wii. They can't make epic RPG's anymore when trying to worry about graphics whores. Sorry, it's just true. Even the CEO's/designers of games have said that. That's why most of the decent RPG's come out on the handhelds.

It costs way too much money and time to try to create the kind of worlds people want for the epic RPG's they also want. We're not talking Skyrim here, it's a completely different ball game. The RPG's put out on the Wii would not have happened on the 360/PS3 (and didn't) simply due to the graphics necessity.
 

exdeath

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I don't know what either of you guys are talking about. There were tons of great RPG's on PS3 and the biggest announcement yesterday was Kingdom Hearts 3 which is an RPG

Yes but the quantity and quality still pales in comparison to the glory days of 16-32 bit RPGs..

And many of the PS3 RPGs are borderline shovelware or TOO Japanese TOO anime/manga geared to the point of being annoying to all but the most niche diehard and desperate RPG gamers.

Ni no Kuni was really the first RPG since PS1/PS2 to sincerely capture the warmth and magic of the old 16/32 bit RPGs of the past. I seriously laughed in places I should have cried and cried in places I should have laughed just because I was so happy to feel that 16 bit allure again in a modern game FULLY taking advantage of a current gen platform.
 
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KeithTalent

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I believe they are referring to only games being region locked. So, you can import titles. For movies, I highly doubt the MPAA would sign off on such a thing. Wasn't the PS3 also not region locked? Could you play other regioned movies?

PS3 was region locked as far as I can recall, for games as well. Maybe not though.

Like I said, seems unlikely it would be region free at all, but a boy can dream!

KT
 
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Paying for Sony's online network is a concern for me as well. I don't typically place any hope in any Japanese company to develop online worth a damn. XBOX Live is worth the money to me because it's integrated very well into the entire package. Hell, it is the package.

I'll wait and reserve judgment until Sony shows more, though. I think if they just straight up copy all of Live's features, I'd be happy with that. Integrate it into the system and all games, make the interface easy to use...that would be a good start.

I'm still not decided on which system I will go for first (if either) in November, they are really tied for me currently. I'm looking forward to seeing more about the interface and features of each.
 

exdeath

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Btw when I talk of "16 bit warmth" with reverence, I'm not referring to a nostalgic fascination with dated technology and pixellated graphics or insisting games have 20 year old retro qualities that purposely gimp themselves on modern hardware.

I'm talking about 16 bit as more a designation of a period of time on a time line of gaming history when games had heart and soul, a golden age renaissance of endearing unforgettable characters and the pinnacle of story telling in video games. I suppose this occurred BECAUSE the limited technology forces you to develop a game and not a graphics engine. Its entirely possible to capture the spirit of games of the 16 bit era in a FULLY modern way as Ni no Kuni has expertly shown, it doesn't mean you have to artificially induce limitations of the technology for retro or nostalgia purposes. When I'm waxing poetic about 16 bit I'm not literally meaning I want 16 bit games.
 
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Tweak155

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The good large RPG's were on Wii. They can't make epic RPG's anymore when trying to worry about graphics whores. Sorry, it's just true. Even the CEO's/designers of games have said that. That's why most of the decent RPG's come out on the handhelds.

It costs way too much money and time to try to create the kind of worlds people want for the epic RPG's they also want. We're not talking Skyrim here, it's a completely different ball game. The RPG's put out on the Wii would not have happened on the 360/PS3 (and didn't) simply due to the graphics necessity.

Why aren't we talking Skyrim? It is a good example of an RPG with graphics & story. It's pretty much the best example.

Yes but it still pales in comparison to the glory days of 16 bit RPGs..

And many of the PS3 RPGs are borderline shovelware or TOO Japanese TOO anime/manga geared to the point of being annoying to all but the most niche diehard and desperate RPG gamers.

Ni no Kuni was really the first RPG since PS1/PS2 to sincerely capture the warmth and magic of the old 16/32 bit RPGs of the past. I seriously laughed in places I should have cried and cried in places I should have laughed just because I was so happy to feel that 16 bit allure again in a modern game FULLY taking advantage of a current gen platform.

And how exactly does it "pale in comparison"? You don't even have anything to compare yet. The game, let alone any details, aren't even out yet. You clearly made up your mind before any of the announcements, nevermind even playing the game.

I guess I shouldn't be shocked by that, though, given your posting history.
 

exdeath

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Why aren't we talking Skyrim? It is a good example of an RPG with graphics & story. It's pretty much the best example.



And how exactly does it "pale in comparison"? You don't even have anything to compare yet. The game, let alone any details, aren't even out yet. You clearly made up your mind before any of the announcements, nevermind even playing the game.

I guess I shouldn't be shocked by that, though, given your posting history.

I'm referring to current gen as it has been, not up and coming. I'm very much excited for Kingdom Hearts 3.

Even though sadly Square doesn't have a great track record lately.
 
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AMDZen

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I'm referring to current gen as it has been, not up and coming.

I disagree with you on the current gen too, but I like the Jap RPG's a lot.

The height of the RPG world came with the PS1 for me. Alundra, Final Fantasy games, Xenogears, all of those great games
 

ImpulsE69

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Why aren't we talking Skyrim? It is a good example of an RPG with graphics & story. It's pretty much the best example.


No, it's not. It's not an RPG in that sense. It has bare minimum story. It's an open sandbox game with D&D style elements. It is in no way the type of RPG we are referring to here which is why I called it out because I knew people would be "but Skyrim is beautiful!" It is, but it also isn't an (eastern) RPG. The writing style for the game is completely different.

I'm not saying you couldn't make a game like Skyrim into a full fledged story driven RPG. I'm saying they don't want to spend the money/time to do it because the payback just isn't large enough in their eyes.

The game Exdeath is drooling on about is the right style, but the graphics are cartoony rather than realistic with 1000's of shaders/pixels/polys which is really not the same. That same game could have been released on the Wii (which is my point). It wasn't a graphically pushing game.

It's a trade off of what they want to spend their money on. Storyline and huge worlds or graphics. Some day maybe we can have both.

If you are bored, read this article. It talks about some key points about the state of gaming and RPGs. http://www.destructoid.com/xenoblade-chronicles-226518.phtml
 
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Tweak155

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No, it's not. It's not an RPG in that sense. It has bare minimum story. It's an open sandbox game with D&D style elements. It is in no way the type of RPG we are referring to here which is why I called it out because I knew people would be "but Skyrim is beautiful!" It is, but it also isn't an (eastern) RPG. The writing style for the game is completely different.

I'm not saying you couldn't make a game like Skyrim into a full fledged story driven RPG. I'm saying they don't want to spend the money/time to do it because the payback just isn't large enough in their eyes.

The game Exdeath is drooling on about is the right style, but the graphics are cartoony rather than realistic with 1000's of shaders/pixels/polys which is really not the same. That same game could have been released on the Wii (which is my point). It wasn't a graphically pushing game.

It's a trade off of what they want to spend their money on. Storyline and huge worlds or graphics. Some day maybe we can have both.

So in other words, you don't feel Skyrim is an RPG and exclude it out to try and make your point? Perhaps you should just describe the type of game you're talking about.

You keep speaking on behalf of other people, but I fall under other people, and don't agree with you. So let's focus on what YOU'RE looking for, not what "they" are looking for.

List an epic game that represents what you're describing.
 
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