The Official PS4 Thread

[Anubis]

What is the ship date for the ps4? Amazon said Dec 31, but I can't see that being correct.

they said November back in Feb

 

[sze5003]

What is the ship date for the ps4? Amazon said Dec 31, but I can't see that being correct.

I don't think that it's correct. I wanna order on amazon because if I use their card I can get 50 bucks off. But the date for watch dogs says november 19, the system says December 31.

 

[Tweak155]

Agreed. I need a FF10 type game. If FF15 doesn't deliver that's it. The New Final Fantasy games since FF10 have done nothing for me character wise. I CARED about the FF10 story. I loved it. I put in I think 200+ hours into the game easily. I haven't beat a single Final Fantasy game since 10. I don't care halfway through. The characters bore me, the graphics were stupid, the story line and cinematics did nothing for me. FF10 was where it ended for me. And why they won't remake FF7 when EVERY fan has asked for it just makes zero sense.

Square Enix is purposely trolling us and I dislike it.



Can you find a quote for this? I have read multiple locations that it's up to publishers. This is MS's biggest problem right now is that during their press conferences they sidestep the issue. I don't think they really have a COMPLETE set in stone plan at the moment....

They've stated it would be way too expensive to get something like that implemented in new software. Over $100m in just production cost as a conservative estimate (and this was some years ago... like when PS3 was new).

But yeah, I'd buy it.

 

[Tweak155]

wait...Skyrim is not an RPG? what the fuck....only JRPGs are RPG?


I don't get it--I find them to be RPG-lite in all honesty.

Bingo. Skyrim, in this instance, is just the wrong slice of the RPG pie for these people. Which is fine, but it's still an RPG

 

[ImpulsE69]

wait...Skyrim is not an RPG? what the fuck....only JRPGs are RPG?


I don't get it--I find them (JRPG) to be RPG-lite in all honesty.

It wasn't in the context of the discussion. I noted it because I knew someone would call it out. It does not have the driving story that a JRPG has. It's western. That's the difference. It's an open world roaming game. Essentially ALL games are RPGs, but you have to distinguish them somehow.

 

[Tweak155]

It wasn't in the context of the discussion. I noted it because I knew someone would call it out. It does not have the driving story that a JRPG has. It's western. That's the difference. It's an open world roaming game. Essentially ALL games are RPGs, but you have to distinguish them somehow.

It was context of the disucssion because you didn't specify JRPG. I can't read your mind, only your post, and your post just said RPG.

That said, I agree it isn't a JRPG, but is the story the only differentiating factor? I find forcing the user down a path (opposite of open world roaming) is more restrictive. In one scenario, the user has a choice of doing either.

I'm not big on one over the other, you can have a great JRPG and a great WRPG. One type does not squash the other. A good game is a good game.

EDIT:

NVM, I'm just getting off topic anyway.

 

[KaOTiK]

I'm a fan of both JRPG and WRPG but I have found that JRPG tend to be much much more story driven games, where as WRPG tend to just toss you into a big world and say go do what you want.

Two different approaches and both have their pros and cons.

 

[ImpulsE69]

It was context of the disucssion because you didn't specify JRPG. I can't read your mind, only your post, and your post just said RPG.

That said, I agree it isn't a JRPG, but is the story the only differentiating factor? I find forcing the user down a path (opposite of open world roaming) is more restrictive. In one scenario, the user has a choice of doing either.

I'm not big on one over the other, you can have a great JRPG and a great WRPG. One type does not squash the other. A good game is a good game.

EDIT:

NVM, I'm just getting off topic anyway.

That's my bad then, I was responding to the discussion above about the particular games in question (Xenogears, KH, etc.)

 

[smackababy]

It wasn't in the context of the discussion. I noted it because I knew someone would call it out. It does not have the driving story that a JRPG has. It's western. That's the difference. It's an open world roaming game. Essentially ALL games are RPGs, but you have to distinguish them somehow.

I don't even think story driven is the separation of JRPG and WRPG. Look at all the old AD&D games. Baldur's Gate 1 /2? Ultima series? All were extremely story driven. JRPGs just had a different story style and slightly different mechanics.

The real problem with RPGs, in my opinon, is that before developers were limited in their options for gameplay and the technological limits of the systems. Today, those don't exist unless you're Hideo Kojima, then you're limited by the amount of CG movies you can have. >_>

It has stagnated the story first, character development and meaningfulness of games and put a graphics / mechanics first mentality into gamers.

 

[Subyman]

Amazon's date is obviously a place holder. No one releases anything on Dec 31st, duh.

 

[gus6464]

If Sony really wanted to decapitate the xbone in one fell swoop the PS4 would come out next week.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I can't read the article; is the region-free playback true for all Blu-ray movies?

If so this is a slam dunk, no brainer, first day buy for me. Can anyone confirm?

KT

Games...

 

[waggy]

skyrim is a great game. i would classify it as a action RPG though.

the last good RPG i enjoyed was dragon warrior 8 for the PS2 i think?

i think JRPG's hit the peak with the ps2 system.

 

[cmdrdredd]

skyrim is a great game. i would classify it as a action RPG though.

the last good RPG i enjoyed was dragon warrior 8 for the PS2 i think?

i think JRPG's hit the peak with the ps2 system.

Maybe count Xenoblade Cronicles on Wii too. It had some serious flaws in the quest system and item drops though.

 

[torpid]

skyrim is a great game. i would classify it as a action RPG though.

the last good RPG i enjoyed was dragon warrior 8 for the PS2 i think?

i think JRPG's hit the peak with the ps2 system.

Skyrim had a much richer storytelling experience baked in than almost any JRPG. Given the roots of role playing games, I'm more inclined to call Skyrim an RPG than most JRPGs. But, I concede that this is probably an unusual opinion.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Skyrim had a much richer storytelling experience baked in than almost any JRPG. Given the roots of role playing games, I'm more inclined to call Skyrim an RPG than most JRPGs. But, I concede that this is probably an unusual opinion.

Yes..that is an insane opinion

 

[waggy]

Skyrim had a much richer storytelling experience baked in than almost any JRPG. Given the roots of role playing games, I'm more inclined to call Skyrim an RPG than most JRPGs. But, I concede that this is probably an unusual opinion.

yeah..no.

Skyrim's storyline is just there to tie the game together. Hell you could play 100 hours and do NOTHING with it. or finish the game in under 20.

Skyrim is great in that you can do whatever. there are 1000's of quest and places to explore. its a great action RPG though.

I have roughly 140 hours inot skyrim. with mods and downloaded content the game is great.

 

[JackBurton]

Does anyone know if the HDMI specs have been confirmed for the PS4? Will it be equipped with HDMI 1.4 or HDMI 2.0. I sure hope it's HDMI 2.0.

 

[torpid]

yeah..no.

Skyrim's storyline is just there to tie the game together. Hell you could play 100 hours and do NOTHING with it. or finish the game in under 20.

Skyrim is great in that you can do whatever. there are 1000's of quest and places to explore. its a great action RPG though.

I have roughly 140 hours inot skyrim. with mods and downloaded content the game is great.

You are confusing the main storyline with the storytelling in general. Even when you aren't participating in the main storyline, there is a rich story experience for most everything that you do. As opposed to the typical JRPG where you are lucky if the main storyline makes any sense at all and has any level of emotional engagement.

 

[Aikouka]

The PlayStation 3 supported region locking, but unlike Nintendo, games were not mandated to use it. According to Wikipedia, only one game ever used it (Persona 4 Arena). In my experience, the reason why publishers want to do that is because of higher media costs in different areas of the world. For example, we like to complain about how expensive movies and games are here, but they're worse in Japan. If a game is released in North America with full Japanese support, the Japanese could most likely import the game for less.

 

[KaOTiK]

http://www.destructoid.com/did-sony-confirm-drm-on-ps4-after-all-not-quite--256052.phtml

Update: Sony has outright confirmed my initial interpretation. As reported by GameFront, Sony has stated that Tretton's use of the term "DRM" referred only to playing used games online. Essentially, they're talking about letting publishers use online passes, and no other kind of restrictions.

 

[smackababy]

The PlayStation 3 supported region locking, but unlike Nintendo, games were not mandated to use it. According to Wikipedia, only one game ever used it (Persona 4 Arena). In my experience, the reason why publishers want to do that is because of higher media costs in different areas of the world. For example, we like to complain about how expensive movies and games are here, but they're worse in Japan. If a game is released in North America with full Japanese support, the Japanese could most likely import the game for less.

Japan is not even an extreme example. There is a huge grey market in the PC gaming industry. You can buy Russian keys for a fraction of the price of the game, then activate a US version on Steam and such.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Leaving this here for those interested

PS4 Pre-orders I know about now as far as cost
Amazon pre-order = no money down, charge card at time of shipment
Gamestop pre-order = $100 down and rest due on release (can pay as you go to pay it off)
Best Buy Pre-Order = Pay for the system up front. You must pay for the system now and you can pick it up at release.
Newegg.com pre-order = no money down and card is charged at time of shipment

http://www.destructoid.com/did-sony-confirm-drm-on-ps4-after-all-not-quite--256052.phtml

Yes but who used Online passes on PS3/360? It wasn't all that common.

 

[smackababy]

http://www.destructoid.com/did-sony-confirm-drm-on-ps4-after-all-not-quite--256052.phtml

So, it is the same as current gen. I think MS overstepped with it's system. My guess, is they saw the EA online pass and figured the industry was going the way of license. They created a system to support this with as little for the user to do as possible (no codes to enter), but still did everything the publishers were pushing. The backlash came and EA canned their program, Sony saw this and didn't do this either. Now MS is left holding this and trying their best to spin it well.

Eventually, we will get to the complete DD single license model that PC has, we just haven't hit it yet.

 

[KaOTiK]

Leaving this here for those interested

PS4 Pre-orders I know about now as far as cost
Amazon pre-order = no money down, charge card at time of shipment
Gamestop pre-order = $100 down and rest due on release (can pay as you go to pay it off)
Best Buy Pre-Order = Pay for the system up front. You must pay for the system now and you can pick it up at release.
Newegg.com pre-order = no money down and card is charged at time of shipment




Yes but who used Online passes on PS3/360? It wasn't all that common.

EA and I think Sony did for a short period and ditched it afterwards. I dunno who else, but up till 2 months ago EA was.

The point is for all the people that are trying to still say that the PS4's and X1 are the same in DRM when it is not the case at all.