The Official PS4 Thread

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homebrew2ny

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Yeah, kinda cool. I can see where if enough thought and creativity is put in to this, fun stuff can come about!
 

cmdrdredd

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It's a pity Sony demands a subscription for playing online. That was the only negative that was announced, and it's a big negative. I had easily picked a PS4 up sooner or later if it had free online multiplayer

Really? I mean REALLY????

God...

Maybe you just want everything for free. Sony is giving these away at $399, not forcing the PS4 Eye, and not forcing DRM down your throat. Yet...not enough. You won't buy one just cause MP isn't free. Did you ever buy an Xbox? Cause MP was never free
 

homebrew2ny

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Really? I mean REALLY????

God...


I kinda agree with him, PS3's free online play was a big plus over the 360. I was hoping it would remain free but understand a modest fee for proper online hosting is probably required today. It certainly was a negative however one that I can look past considering the rest of the 'positives'. I can understand how those who may be on a significantly tight budget would view this as a concern.

I'm not sure it is proper, as you attempt, to trivialize, marginalize, or outright ridicule ones opinion as such.
 

purbeast0

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I kinda agree with him, PS3's free online play was a big plus over the 360. I was hoping it would remain free but understand a modest fee for proper online hosting is probably required today. It certainly was a negative however one that I can look past considering the rest of the 'positives'. I can understand how those who may be on a significantly tight budget would view this as a concern.

I'm not sure it is proper, as you attempt, to trivialize, marginalize, or outright ridicule ones opinion as such.

don't worry dude, you are going to see pretty much all the sony fanboys changing their tune about not caring about paying to play online on ps4 since they have no other option, and they can no longer use it in their fanboy arguments about why sony owned xbox360. i've seen it from numerous people since last night's announcement, from people who used to claim they would never pay to play online games and that ps3 owned 360 due to that fact.
 

cmdrdredd

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don't worry dude, you are going to see pretty much all the sony fanboys changing their tune about not caring about paying to play online on ps4 since they have no other option, and they can no longer use it in their fanboy arguments about why sony owned xbox360. i've seen it from numerous people since last night's announcement, from people who used to claim they would never pay to play online games and that ps3 owned 360 due to that fact.

No dude...it's not paying to play online. It's paying to have access to subscriptions I already pay for (Netflix, hulu etc).

DO you really believe that nonsense you're saying?

I kinda agree with him, PS3's free online play was a big plus over the 360. I was hoping it would remain free but understand a modest fee for proper online hosting is probably required today. It certainly was a negative however one that I can look past considering the rest of the 'positives'. I can understand how those who may be on a significantly tight budget would view this as a concern.

I'm not sure it is proper, as you attempt, to trivialize, marginalize, or outright ridicule ones opinion as such.

If you are on so tight a budget that less than $5 per month is too expendive, you have absolutely no business even looking at a new game console in the first place.
 

homebrew2ny

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don't worry dude, you are going to see pretty much all the sony fanboys changing their tune about not caring about paying to play online on ps4 since they have no other option, and they can no longer use it in their fanboy arguments about why sony owned xbox360. i've seen it from numerous people since last night's announcement, from people who used to claim they would never pay to play online games and that ps3 owned 360 due to that fact.

Yeah, I have seen it too, kinda funny...

I have always had every option (now have Wii-U, 360, PSs, PCs) so I am by no means a fan boy of anything other than good gaming, all of which have their pro's and con's. But I was understandingly bummed about the pay to play MP on the PS4. Yet, as I said above, I understand. As long as they make the MP experience (and servers) better than they are now (mind you I do not think it is as bad as some seem to think), it will be money well spent.
 

purbeast0

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No dude...it's not paying to play online. It's paying to have access to subscriptions I already pay for (Netflix, hulu etc).

DO you really believe that nonsense you're saying?



If you are on so tight a budget that less than $5 per month is too expendive, you have absolutely no business even looking at a new game console in the first place.

lol i never even said i was talking about you. your panties must be in a bunch again.

i said the ps3 fanboys. unless you are putting yourself in the ps3 fanboy camp...
 

cmdrdredd

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lol i never even said i was talking about you. your panties must be in a bunch again.

i said the ps3 fanboys. unless you are putting yourself in the ps3 fanboy camp...

I'm talking in general too. The #1 complaint for those who did complain on here about XBL Gold wasn't that you had to pay just to go into MP games. It was that if you just wanted to use video streaming like PS3 owners can, you were paywalled.

My second point stands. I don't care what console you're looking at, if you cannot pay $5/month to do MP with it because you are on too tight a budget, you should not even consider buying a new console.
 

homebrew2ny

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If you are on so tight a budget that less than $5 per month is too expendive, you have absolutely no business even looking at a new game console in the first place.

You have no right to make this claim, you must be a ignorant or spoiled child. You are coming off as a arrogant ass. I am by no means complaining about it, but at least I have the mental fortitude to understand others concerns. Your opinion on the matter means nothing.
 

cmdrdredd

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You have no right to make this claim, you must be a ignorant or spoiled child. You are coming off as a arrogant ass. I am by no means complaining about it, but at least I have the mental fortitude to understand others concerns. Your opinion on the matter means nothing.

No it's true. If you can't pay $5 per month because your bills leave you so broke...how can you buy a $400 box plus games?
 

purbeast0

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I'm talking in general too. The #1 complaint for those who did complain on here about XBL Gold wasn't that you had to pay just to go into MP games. It was that if you just wanted to use video streaming like PS3 owners can, you were paywalled.

My second point stands. I don't care what console you're looking at, if you cannot pay $5/month to do MP with it because you are on too tight a budget, you should not even consider buying a new console.

that was definitely not the #1 complaint here. it was that you had to pay on xbl for playing games online, something that you paid for when you bought the game, and that you didn't have to do that on ps3. i'm not digging up threads to show you because i know they are there since i took part in many of them and got tired of saying the same shit over and over and over about how xbl is obviously worth it if there are millions of members using it and the online games like cod and bf had more online players on 360 than ps3.

as far as the 2nd point i don't really care about your point. it's not up to you to decide other people's gaming budgets and what their principles are.
 

cmdrdredd

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that was definitely not the #1 complaint here. it was that you had to pay on xbl for playing games online, something that you paid for when you bought the game, and that you didn't have to do that on ps3. i'm not digging up threads to show you because i know they are there since i took part in many of them and got tired of saying the same shit over and over and over about how xbl is obviously worth it if there are millions of members using it and the online games like cod and bf had more online players on 360 than ps3.

as far as the 2nd point i don't really care about your point. it's not up to you to decide other people's gaming budgets and what their principles are.

No but I know for a fact that if $5 per month is too steep I wouldn't be on here at all. I'd have bigger worries.
 

smackababy

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You have no right to make this claim, you must be a ignorant or spoiled child. You are coming off as a arrogant ass. I am by no means complaining about it, but at least I have the mental fortitude to understand others concerns. Your opinion on the matter means nothing.

The concerns that you can afford to buy a $400 system, but not spend $50 for a yearly subscription is a bit suspect.

People who buy a Lambo don't cry because they can't afford the maintenance. They cry because they hate spending money, which is why they have so much.
 

cmdrdredd

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The concerns that you can afford to buy a $400 system, but not spend $50 for a yearly subscription is a bit suspect.

People who buy a Lambo don't cry because they can't afford the maintenance. They cry because they hate spending money, which is why they have so much.

This is true. As a gamer, especially an informed one...you know what you're getting into. It's not exactly a cheap hobby if you want to keep up with the latest games and what not.
 

purbeast0

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No but I know for a fact that if $5 per month is too steep I wouldn't be on here at all. I'd have bigger worries.

there is a difference between not wanting to spend $5 to pay online and not being able to afford to do so. seems to be a really hard concept for you to grasp.
 

KaOTiK

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I'm one of the people that complained about having to pay to play online.

I made a post earlier today that I'm sure was ignored that I'll copy and paste here. But I think it is bullshit Sony is doing the same.

One thing you do forget, a lot of people are already PS+ members because they saw the value of it and will continue simply because of that. I am in that group. I think paying to be able to play multiplayer is absolute bullshit, though I almost never play my console games online either. I'll continue my PS+ membership not because of multiplayer as I wont use that much at all probably but because all everything is PS+ has been and will continue to offer.

A lot of people sub to PS+ already due to the tremendous value it offered and I bet they continue for that sole reason alone even if multiplayer wasn't put behind that paywall. It is BS like I said it is now behind a paywall.

But guess what, this is one of the things those of us were trying to explain to people saying they are buying the X1 and its DRM/Online/Used games crap. If people show they are willing to put up with shit, eventually others will follow foot and do the same thing making it standard and screwing everyone over. Sony watched MS do it for years with Live Gold and how people lapped it up like it was so amazing thing, now Sony has followed and is charging for multiplayer too.

What do you think is honestly going to happen next gen if they see the used games/online drm become widely accepted? This is what a lot of us were talking about as a stepping stone but too many of you want to stick your fingers in your ears and go I don't care its my money nanabooboo.
 

cmdrdredd

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there is a difference between not wanting to spend $5 to pay online and not being able to afford to do so. seems to be a really hard concept for you to grasp.

It was said "a concern for those on a tight budget" what type of budget allows for $60 games and $400 consoles and no wiggle room for $5/mo or less if you find a deal on a sub card?
 

DaveSimmons

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I've always made both complaints about Xbox Live Gold -- paying for multiplayer (free on PC + PS3) and paying for Netflix and Amazon "just because".

So I am annoyed that Sony took a big step towards XBLG paywalling, even if they only went half as far.

They still win though, for only being half as evil, and at least they give you a pile of free games with PSN+. MS copied that, but only until November.
 
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cmdrdredd

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I just think it was inevitable. To maintain that type of network infrastructure on the scale Sony is talking about, it will require lots of money to keep going.
 

Childs

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I've always made both complaints about Xbox Live Gold -- paying for multiplayer (free on PC + PS3) and paying for Netflix and Amazon "just because".

So I am annoyed that Sony took a big step towards XBLG paywalling, even if they only went half as far.

They still win though, for only being half as evil, and at least they give you a pile of free games with PSN+. MS copied that, but only until November.

Paying for XBL just to access subscriptions you already pay for is why I never got a gold account, and eventually abandoned the 360. I guess paying for MP is fine, assuming its robust and you get the good matchmaking and chat that XBL has. What Sony and the publishers should do is offer some free online play time. I think I got a month or so when I bought Crackdown and/or Dead Rising. People who might be on the fence will give it a try, and maybe find its worth the monthly fee.

While some people justified their PS3 because PSN was free, I think most won't be too bothered by it. I have a feeling most PS3 users don't go online anyways, and if online was important to them they would have gotten a 360 and be used to the fee.
 
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