The Official PS4 Thread

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I'm not sure why you guys argue hardware specs. In this day and age, it becomes harder and harder for the normal person to distinguish exactly what that extra hardware is getting them. X1 games will look fantastic, PS4 games will look fantastic. The only time you're going to notice is if you're comparing them side-by-side, which in that case, they probably look pretty similar anyway because the game was designed with the lowest common denominator in mind.
 

Rage187

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They may look the same, but frame rate, screen tearing and aliasing are a concern to me and I'd rather have the faster, more powerful console to handle those concerns.
 

purbeast0

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They may look the same, but frame rate, screen tearing and aliasing are a concern to me and I'd rather have the faster, more powerful console to handle those concerns.

welp to be honest, ps3 was more powerful than 360 and ps3 didn't have anti-aliasing at all on most games, and the framerate was worse for cross platform games on ps3.
 

KaOTiK

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welp to be honest, ps3 was more powerful than 360 and ps3 didn't have anti-aliasing at all on most games, and the framerate was worse for cross platform games on ps3.

Things are totally different this time though. The PS3 was notourisly a pain in the ass to code for. This time the PS4 and X1 are the same platform, and in fact , the X1 will be a tiny bit more difficult to code for since they devs have to deal with using the separate 32megs of esram. There is no more difficulties porting between platforms, we will see the differences rather quickly and while at first they wont be too big, as time goes on they will.
 

Rage187

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Things are totally different this time though. The PS3 was notourisly a pain in the ass to code for. This time the PS4 and X1 are the same platform, and in fact , the X1 will be a tiny bit more difficult to code for since they devs have to deal with using the separate 32megs of esram. There is no more difficulties porting between platforms, we will see the differences rather quickly and while at first they wont be too big, as time goes on they will.

Came here to post this. Switching to x86 has even the odds.
 

DaveSimmons

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Things are totally different this time though. The PS3 was notourisly a pain in the ass to code for. This time the PS4 and X1 are the same platform, and in fact , the X1 will be a tiny bit more difficult to code for since they devs have to deal with using the separate 32megs of esram. There is no more difficulties porting between platforms, we will see the differences rather quickly and while at first they wont be too big, as time goes on they will.

Exactly. This time it's like they are almost the exact same gaming PC, except the PS4 has a Radeon 7870 graphics card instead of a 7850 and has an extra ~1 GB of RAM available.

So a developer with the same code might get 30 fps on the X1 but 35-40 in the PS4, or might run the PS4 version at the same 30 fps but with the eye candy sliders turned up one notch. It's not going to be night and day, but developers will be able to get better performance for the same effort.
 

BladeVenom

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It's not close at all. GPU Cores 768 vs. 1152, Memory 133MHz DDR3 vs. 5500MHz GDDR5. It's the difference between a cheap low end card crippled with DDR3, and a good mid range card.
 

Malak

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It's for people that love DRM freedom.

How would the American flag represent that exactly? Not to get too political, but isn't America news been all about how much freedom we are losing constantly from the government? How we are being spied on? In fact the xbox one is jokingly compared to our government.... So shouldn't the flag be on the xbox instead?
 

ImpulsE69

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How would the American flag represent that exactly? Not to get too political, but isn't America news been all about how much freedom we are losing constantly from the government? How we are being spied on? In fact the xbox one is jokingly compared to our government.... So shouldn't the flag be on the xbox instead?

Do you really want more of the white trash America to support it?
 

I4AT

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I remember the PS3 was supposed to have dual HDMI out.

Seems like a long overdue feature on consoles, but I don't think I've read anything about the PS4 or even XBO having multi display support?
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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why would you want multy display out? mirroring? because thats all it would be able to as it would not be able to render 2 different streams
 

Pottuvoi

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Yeah and at the very least you need 24 MB for a 1920x1080x32bpp double buffered + 32bpp depth/stencil buffer. That leaves 8 MB for texture cache and sub/super/multi sampling buffers and render to texture buffers and such needed for AA, DoF, stereoscopic 3D, etc, then vertex streams, etc. Suddenly we can see that 32 MB with 1080p is pushing it.
You do not hold front buffer in esram.
Also, you can read and write directly to main memory, so there is no limitations like on x360. (Also tex units and alus have access to esram unlike x360.)

Basically depending on what you want to do you can hold the bandwidth heavy buffer in esram and stuff that is not so important or is just too big for main memory.
You can hold back buffer and g-buffer on main memory, if you really want.
 

Arkaign

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Exactly. This time it's like they are almost the exact same gaming PC, except the PS4 has a Radeon 7870 graphics card instead of a 7850 and has an extra ~1 GB of RAM available.

So a developer with the same code might get 30 fps on the X1 but 35-40 in the PS4, or might run the PS4 version at the same 30 fps but with the eye candy sliders turned up one notch. It's not going to be night and day, but developers will be able to get better performance for the same effort.

Basically true, but replace 7850 with DDR3-based 7790 @ 800Mhz for the XB1, and GDDR5-based 7860 (between 7850 and 7870) for PS4. It's my prediction that both will be solid, but cross platform titles will rule on PS4.
 

KaOTiK

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It's not close at all. GPU Cores 768 vs. 1152, Memory 133MHz DDR3 vs. 5500MHz GDDR5. It's the difference between a cheap low end card crippled with DDR3, and a good mid range card.

The gap is probably going to widen a bit more. MS said they are with holding 3GB for the OS/non game functions and 5GB is for games. Sony hasn't said but it was rumored to be around 1-1.5GB for OS/non game functions, rumor came from Killzone devs who said the game was designed to run on 3GB, back when the PS4 was with 4GB or ram before the Feb announcement.
 

sze5003

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PS4 release date easter egg in Last of us?????


Hmm good catch. Not sure though because most of the games that are supposed to be here around the same time the system launches have dates around November 19 for example best buy's website has that for bf4.

This site shows a leaked date for November 13 in Europe. Sony has not confirmed anything other than its just a speculated date. They have only mentioned holiday season 2013.

http://m.t3.com/news/ps4-to-launch-on-november-13th

The makers of assasins creed said the game will be out for ps4 and earlier systems November 1st which could mean the system should be out before then. I wonder if all the titles that are suppose to come at launch are withholding the dates because of this too.
 
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Nintendesert

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How would the American flag represent that exactly? Not to get too political, but isn't America news been all about how much freedom we are losing constantly from the government? How we are being spied on? In fact the xbox one is jokingly compared to our government.... So shouldn't the flag be on the xbox instead?




You read way too much into a joke.
 

exdeath

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why would you want multy display out? mirroring? because thats all it would be able to as it would not be able to render 2 different streams

I remember when PS3 was supposed to have dual/quad 1080p out HDMI lol.

Now I remember why the PS3 launch was so horrible.
 

sze5003

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Aug 18, 2012
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Looks like a random date to me, I don't see anything tying it back to the PS4, unless I'm missing something.

You can google search ps4 date and there is an article mentioning this image. I'm hoping by august we have better news. Since all the games that are suppose to be out when it launches seem to be coming out the middle of November I'm guessing the system will be launched early November.
 
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