The Official PS4 Thread

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cmdrdredd

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They could be doing the apple thing. Wait until a week or two then tell you it's releasing on a certain day lol

I have them paid for, but a good friend of mine did it through Amazon and will have to get both charged to his card at shipment. He didn't tell the wife about it
 

sze5003

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I have them paid for, but a good friend of mine did it through Amazon and will have to get both charged to his card at shipment. He didn't tell the wife about it

I have mine on my best buy store card and it's 0% for six months incase something important happens where I may need to use the cash I have already put away for the system and games. I wanted to pay it off but they don't start charging you until you pick up the item. I also saved enough to the point that if all 4 games I want come out at launch I'll be able to get them all at once.

The first time I actually used the best buy card, last time I remember they closed mine because I never used it. Although during Xmas it gets used to purchase items for my siblings.

Hopefully they give us more info next month.

I'll be looking to see how much warranty from Sony costs compared to best buy. I know it should be cheaper. My launch ps3 had no issues but with tech these days I don't want to take chances.
 
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badb0y

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That isn't the same as a developer allowing the vita to function as a controller for the game when played omnthe ps4.
Yes, I know that...Why would anyone want to use Vita as a controller anyways when you can use the PS4s controller?
Rumor: Potential PS4 release date: Oct. 21st
Source: Some guy on the internet.

http://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/1kabae/possible_ps4_release_date_leak/

"Rumor: Our internal product release schedule from head office dropped yesterday and on Oct 21st an unnamed Sony console will be launched. Fyi all console revisions like the ps360 slims and Wii Mini were listed as ps360 & wii mini. Previously the wiiu, 3ds and vita were also only listed as Nintendo/Sony Console in the product name column.






Disclaimer: I just work at a very large retailer, managing the electronics sales force and nothing more. I have nothing to do with purchasing, nation wide merchandising or shipping. I am not trying to play this off as I have connections at Sony, or I am some sort of insider. It's that just yesterday we received a product release schedule from our head office and I thought this is OT itt. These schedules btw, are for internal use only, designed to allow us time to create our instore merch plans. If the launch date for a product is unknown, it's simply marked TBA. The only time a date is ever included is when we have received confirmation of said date from the product company."
One of the mods confirmed that the guy is in a position to know the information, can't confirm if it's true or not though.
 

smackababy

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One of the mods confirmed that the guy is in a position to know the information, can't confirm if it's true or not though.

Yeah, but confirming the guy works at Wal-Mart isn't exactly confirming much for the story. Wal-Mart could easily be getting their shipment in early to ensure they get the units in time.
 

cmdrdredd

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Yes, I know that...Why would anyone want to use Vita as a controller anyways when you can use the PS4s controller?

One of the mods confirmed that the guy is in a position to know the information, can't confirm if it's true or not though.

Cause people have a vita but don't own multiple PS4 controllers? Or a friend has a vita but not a PS4 so he can't bring his controller.
 
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Cause people have a vita but don't own multiple PS4 controllers? Or a friend has a vita but not a PS4 so he can't bring his controller.

Because the analog sticks on the Vita are serviceable for a handheld but would absolutely suck to use for full-fledged PS4 games.
 

cmdrdredd

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Because the analog sticks on the Vita are serviceable for a handheld but would absolutely suck to use for full-fledged PS4 games.

That's not even the point here. There is a reason why someone may actually make use of the Vita this way.

It sure is a better idea than syncing to a tablet.
 

cmdrdredd

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To me, it seems like making the PS4 into a much more expensive WiiU.

How? People already own Vitas, they buy a PS4. They don't buy multiple controllers cause there's usually nobody playing. Friend comes over and you don't need to buy a $50+ controller. Just use your vita.

It's not adding second screen functionality oir gimmicks like the WiiU. It's just allowing people a way to do local MP if they don't have multiple PS4 controllers.
 

smackababy

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How? People already own Vitas, they buy a PS4. They don't buy multiple controllers cause there's usually nobody playing. Friend comes over and you don't need to buy a $50+ controller. Just use your vita.

It's not adding second screen functionality oir gimmicks like the WiiU. It's just allowing people a way to do local MP if they don't have multiple PS4 controllers.

Which might sound like a neat feature, except the Vita is approaching 2 years old and the Vita owners hasn't hit a spectacular level. Under 6 million worldwid, with less than 2 mil each in the core markets (US, EU, Japan). It is still on sale for $250, which is a lot for what it does.

The Vita is a gimmick that isn't working. Sony is hoping adding in another gimmick (a $250 controller or nVidea shield-type device) will up the sales. I mean, the GameGear sold more than the Vita has, and it required like 100 AA batteries.
 

cmdrdredd

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Which might sound like a neat feature, except the Vita is approaching 2 years old and the Vita owners hasn't hit a spectacular level. Under 6 million worldwid, with less than 2 mil each in the core markets (US, EU, Japan). It is still on sale for $250, which is a lot for what it does.

The Vita is a gimmick that isn't working. Sony is hoping adding in another gimmick (a $250 controller or nVidea shield-type device) will up the sales. I mean, the GameGear sold more than the Vita has, and it required like 100 AA batteries.

They aren't trying to sell Vitas this way...have you seen them advertise this as a system selling feature?

NO! So you're looking at it from the completely wrong perspective. This is just a way to connect the two for people who have both. There is nothing wrong with adding additional functionality to the PS4 and Vita for those who own both. Like I said, it's a lot better than expecting people to sync their tablet to their console.
 
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smackababy

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They aren't trying to sell Vitas this way...have you seen them advertise this as a system selling feature?

NO! So you're looking at it from the completely wrong perspective. This is just a way to connect the two for people who have both. There is nothing wrong with adding additional functionality to the PS4 and Vita for those who own both. Like I said, it's a lot better than expecting people to sync their tablet to their console.

It is a selling feature. All the talk about "streaming every PS4 game to your Vita" is them trying to sell both the PS4 and the Vita.

You'd think after the PSP did so surprisingly well, the PS Vita wouldn't have flopped so hard.
 

cmdrdredd

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It is a selling feature. All the talk about "streaming every PS4 game to your Vita" is them trying to sell both the PS4 and the Vita.

You'd think after the PSP did so surprisingly well, the PS Vita wouldn't have flopped so hard.

That's not in discussion here. We already know that this won't happen. The vita is weaker than the Nvidia Shield and look at how great that did for game streaming.
What IS in discussion is using your vita as a controller for some games. It was confirmed that not all games will function this way.

What's the big deal?
 

ImpulsE69

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PSP didn't do THAT well. It lacked support badly, and then the PSGo was a laughable attempt (similar to what MS was trying with the Xbone). And now people have tablets/phones that pretty much do what the Vita does and more. The NDS was/is much better supported even if it is "inferior" it has many more viable games than the PSP ever had.

The Vita's usage with a PS3/PS4 is interesting, but really not much of a pushing selling point. If it was, the Wii-U would be doing phenominally (since that's pretty much what it is).
 

smackababy

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PSP didn't do THAT well. It lacked support badly, and then the PSGo was a laughable attempt (similar to what MS was trying with the Xbone). And now people have tablets/phones that pretty much do what the Vita does and more. The NDS was/is much better supported even if it is "inferior" it has many more viable games than the PSP ever had.

The Vita's usage with a PS3/PS4 is interesting, but really not much of a pushing selling point. If it was, the Wii-U would be doing phenominally (since that's pretty much what it is).

Um what? The PSP sold almost 80 million units. More than the PS3 and the 360. It did THAT well.
 

robvp

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it might have sold 80m units, but the library was seriously lacking, the only thing i used mine for was emulation and psone games
 

cmdrdredd

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it might have sold 80m units, but the library was seriously lacking, the only thing i used mine for was emulation and psone games

That's why it sold, the hacking and mod community.

PSP didn't do THAT well. It lacked support badly, and then the PSGo was a laughable attempt (similar to what MS was trying with the Xbone). And now people have tablets/phones that pretty much do what the Vita does and more. The NDS was/is much better supported even if it is "inferior" it has many more viable games than the PSP ever had.

The Vita's usage with a PS3/PS4 is interesting, but really not much of a pushing selling point. If it was, the Wii-U would be doing phenominally (since that's pretty much what it is).

I'd argue that the only reason the 3DS is better supported is because Nintendo's console plan is utter failure.
 

ImpulsE69

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it might have sold 80m units, but the library was seriously lacking, the only thing i used mine for was emulation and psone games


^^ this. Unit sales really don't tell the whole story. This is exactly what I was getting at. Everyone knows what the PSP was really used for...and w/o getting into the normal "piracy" arguments, much like the Wii, not that many games sold which is sad really..
 
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cmdrdredd

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PS4 has lost the NFL Sunday Ticket. Sad day for football fans that don't have DirecTV; but it looks like Xbox One will be picking it up, so possibly can get it there.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/14/nfl-sunday-ticket-wont-be-on-playstation-this-season/

None of the consoles are getting it this season. Maybe next year. The NFL is IMO too greedy for their own good and probably asked for money that Sony and/or DirecTV were not willing to pay. Maybe Microsoft is though.
 

smackababy

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None of the consoles are getting it this season. Maybe next year. The NFL is IMO too greedy for their own good and probably asked for money that Sony and/or DirecTV were not willing to pay. Maybe Microsoft is though.

Well, MS did have the league commissioner, so they might have already paid that price. And, I suspect you have to pay the price for the Sunday Ticket anyway to use it on the console ($300 a year).
 

cmdrdredd

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Well, MS did have the league commissioner, so they might have already paid that price. And, I suspect you have to pay the price for the Sunday Ticket anyway to use it on the console ($300 a year).

Yeah I saw him. Is it a subscription? I thought the NFL stuff was part of your gold sub.
 

smackababy

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Yeah I saw him. Is it a subscription? I thought the NFL stuff was part of your gold sub.

The NFL stuff they announced, I have no idea what it entails other than fantasy tracking. If it includes you watching games, then it will most likely require a separate subscription. NFL Sunday Ticket, however, costs $300 a year (and it is worth it for any football fan IMO); being able to watch every Cowboys game in Chicago is great.

I'd imagine if Xbox One got the Sunday Ticket deal like the PS3 did, you'd have to subscribe to Sunday Ticket.
 

cmdrdredd

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Makes sense when you put it like that. I honestly ignored 99% of the TV talk on the xb1 so I had no idea what was announced.
 
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