The Official Xbox One Thread

[smackababy]

Well, that is good news. I guess all the "OMG the PS4 is 1000000 thousand million times faster so CoD will run better" arguments will cease.

I do hope some of the features axed because of the online requirement return. Even if it only for digital titles, because I will most likely only be buying them that way if the system is good.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well, that is good news. I guess all the "OMG the PS4 is 1000000 thousand million times faster so CoD will run better" arguments will cease.

I do hope some of the features axed because of the online requirement return. Even if it only for digital titles, because I will most likely only be buying them that way if the system is good.

It's too late to make major changes they said. Upping the GPU clock isn't that special IMO(just change a few values in the firmware or bios). The real problem is going to be memory bandwidth and getting good supplies of the esRAM.

 

[Durvelle27]

Well, that is good news. I guess all the "OMG the PS4 is 1000000 thousand million times faster so CoD will run better" arguments will cease.

I do hope some of the features axed because of the online requirement return. Even if it only for digital titles, because I will most likely only be buying them that way if the system is good.

Unless Sony decides to also overclock then it would be back where it originally was

 

[cmdrdredd]

Unless Sony decides to also overclock then it would be back where it originally was

I don't think it's overclocking, I think it's just bringing the values up to the standard level. They probably underclocked it to save power for some reason initially. Maybe when they realized the memory bandwidth was lower with DDR3. If devs take advantage of the esRAM they can have 170GB/s of memory bandwidth, but the esRAM is relatively small in comparison to the amount of DDR3.

 

[Durvelle27]

I don't think it's overclocking, I think it's just bringing the values up to the standard level. They probably underclocked it to save power for some reason initially. Maybe when they realized the memory bandwidth was lower with DDR3. If devs take advantage of the esRAM they can have 170GB/s of memory bandwidth, but the esRAM is relatively small in comparison to the amount of DDR3.

anything at this point though won't change sales as they waited to long to revert specs. but for now there rumors so have to wait and see if there true

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah...they even admit that it's really too late to change anything major.

 

[Durvelle27]

Yeah...they even admit that it's really too late to change anything major.

But i can still understand the point of it since it was mentioned that they had problems running Titan Fall.

 

[cmdrdredd]

But i can still understand the point of it since it was mentioned that they had problems running Titan Fall.

I bet a lot of it is sheer memory bandwidth constraints from the DDR3. The esRAM helps termendously in bandwidth but there simply isn't enough of it to load up.

Probably not the whole problem they had though I'm sure, just part.

 

[Tweak155]

Well, that is good news. I guess all the "OMG the PS4 is 1000000 thousand million times faster so CoD will run better" arguments will cease.

I do hope some of the features axed because of the online requirement return. Even if it only for digital titles, because I will most likely only be buying them that way if the system is good.

Haven't seen that argument yet... Sounds like you're just "inflating" the comments where possibly the hardware will show a gap down the line. I don't remember anyone saying it will be extremely better.

 

[blurredvision]

anything at this point though won't change sales as they waited to long to revert specs. but for now there rumors so have to wait and see if there true

Sure it can change sales. Ultimately, hype and games will sell a system, not a 100Mhz jump in gpu clock. You get people on board with this slight jump, hype will take over.

 

[blurredvision]

Haven't seen that argument yet... Sounds like you're just "inflating" the comments where possibly the hardware will show a gap down the line. I don't remember anyone saying it will be extremely better.

This has been the prevailing "plus" for PS4 fans since the X1 always online was scrapped.

 

[Tweak155]

This has been the prevailing "plus" for PS4 fans since the X1 always online was scrapped.

I guess. I mean you can't really argue the PS4 hardware isn't better on paper, but I still think maybe you guys take it the wrong way, especially with the childish wording.

I have definitely seen people make comments that the hardware could show differences down the line, but touting it as one console demolishing the other? I've yet to read it.

If anything, from the current gen, we see specs are pretty irrelevant. Wii destroyed the market over the other 2 options.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I guess. I mean you can't really argue the PS4 hardware isn't better on paper, but I still think maybe you guys take it the wrong way, especially with the childish wording.

I have definitely seen people make comments that the hardware could show differences down the line, but touting it as one console demolishing the other? I've yet to read it.

If anything, from the current gen, we see specs are pretty irrelevant. Wii destroyed the market over the other 2 options.

But Wii game sales sucked comparatively over the life of the console.

 

[sze5003]

I was surprised to see nothing for wii u that has been new or exciting game wise. I think super smash brothers in 2014 but that is a while ago. It will always be a party system though.

I had a list of games suppose to launch for ps4 from gamestop and my gf threw it out while cleaning

Only thing to do is wait to see the performance of both consoles but their core ideal statistics won't be available later until newer games come out that really show their colors. It will be quite some time though, especially with exclusives for each console.

 

[Tweak155]

I was surprised to see nothing for wii u that has been new or exciting game wise. I think super smash brothers in 2014 but that is a while ago. It will always be a party system though.

I had a list of games suppose to launch for ps4 from gamestop and my gf threw it out while cleaning

Only thing to do is wait to see the performance of both consoles but their core ideal statistics won't be available later until newer games come out that really show their colors. It will be quite some time though, especially with exclusives for each console.

I think the launch will be real rough for both systems. After the hardware debacle from last gen (RROD for X360 and the whining DVD drive of the PS3), and to add to that the software problems that will most definitely occur, I'm in no hurry to buy right away.

 

[Tweak155]

But Wii game sales sucked comparatively over the life of the console.

Yes there are two sides to it, but it still illustrates the point. I think most people would agree the software sales weren't the greatest due to the gimmicky controls, not so much the graphics.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yes there are two sides to it, but it still illustrates the point. I think most people would agree the software sales weren't the greatest due to the gimmicky controls, not so much the graphics.

Not even controls, just that most of the games released absolutely sucked. Only Nintendo really released anything worth $50-$60

 

[TurtleCrusher]

But Wii game sales sucked comparatively over the life of the console.

Each console was a big profit for Nintendo. Even if game sales weren't that hot, Nintendo was making money on EVERY sale.

 

[purbeast0]

Each console was a big profit for Nintendo. Even if game sales weren't that hot, Nintendo was making money on EVERY sale.

and as an end consumer that means absolutely nothing to me, and most of us, since all we do is care about playing games.

i never understood why so many people get hung up the amount of money that these companies make.

 

[blurredvision]

and as an end consumer that means absolutely nothing to me, and most of us, since all we do is care about playing games.

i never understood why so many people get hung up the amount of money that these companies make.

The only reason I can think of is that the amount of money they make, especially Nintendo, is directly proportionate to the quantity and quality of games or future consoles they produce. If you're a fan, then you want them to make money.

 

[purbeast0]

The only reason I can think of is that the amount of money they make, especially Nintendo, is directly proportionate to the quantity and quality of games or future consoles they produce. If you're a fan, then you want them to make money.

nintendo has had been making money forever but has had crap 3rd party support for a long time now. no matter how much money the company makes really doesn't matter to 3rd parties. if it did, there would be good 3rd party games and a lot of them, but there really are hardly any.

i'd say for nintendo it is directly inproportionate if that is even a word. the more money they make, the fewer and fewer quality games the consoles have, since the only games people are waiting around for are nintendo first party games, which come out like once a year if we're lucky.

i don't know or care about how much money was made/lost during ps3/360 era for sony and ms, but those consoles have far more quality titles then the wii did. i personally can't see any correlation between how much money a company makes and the quality of games on the consoles.

 

[dagamer34]

Each console was a big profit for Nintendo. Even if game sales weren't that hot, Nintendo was making money on EVERY sale.

Ummm what? Nintendo sold more games this generation than Microsoft or Sony did.

 

[BladeVenom]

According to VGCharts, the tie ratio was 360 - 10.23, PS3 - 9.23, and Wii - 8.90. So considering how many more consoles the Wii sold, the Wii sold the most games overall.

 

[smackababy]

According to VGCharts, the tie ratio was 360 - 10.23, PS3 - 9.23, and Wii - 8.90. So considering how many more consoles the Wii sold, the Wii sold the most games overall.

But, the Wii also came with a game which is counted in game sales from what I recall. So, they automatically get a 1 up. Pun totally intended. =)

 

[cmdrdredd]

Ummm what? Nintendo sold more games this generation than Microsoft or Sony did.

They always count Wii Sports which was a pack in game. It doesn't count. Remove that game from the list.

Look at vgchartz(they suck but it's easy to look up) for 2010, 2011, 2012. How many Wii games are in the top 10 sales? I did the work and have excluded free pack in titles(wii sports, wii sports resort, kinect adventures).

2010
Wii - 3 total software sales 94,522,343
360 - 2 total software sales 75,913,202
PS3 - 1 total software sales 55,644,982


2011
Wii - 2 total software sales 71,571,209
360 - 4 total software sales 87,901,223
PS3 - 1 total software sales 62,152,284

2012
Wii - 1 total software sales 38,915,977
360 - 3 total software sales 75,021,416
PS3 - 2 total software sales 48,666,929



As of 2013 the lifetime software sales are as follows. As you can see, the 360 leads by over 10 million.
Wii - 426,002,285
360 - 437,626,851
PS3 - 272,293,769

We can examine further and see the metacritic scores from each year. The Wii has the lowest average review score every single year while the PS3 has the highest.

2010
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-video-games-of-2010

2011
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-video-games-of-2011

2012
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-video-games-of-2012