The Official Xbox One Thread

[cmdrdredd]

Well, I know that my local Gamestop was allowed to reserve more PS4s than Xbox Ones citing lower supply.

So Whatever...I'll get em both either way

 

[Xbox:)]

GCN2.0
VI (like) GPU 8xxx or 9xxx
more info coming will be coming for hotchips
This machine is a beast if you haven't preordered yet

Truth is out there you just need to look closer. Next Gen is gonna be soo awesome :awe:

 

[blurredvision]

XB1 expected to outship ps4 3 to 1 this year.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=european-daily

Strange if true.

Not really strange. The 360 gives Microsoft a load of steam going into next-gen. It's just the handful of internet junkies who bash Microsoft at every turn. Microsoft isn't in as bad of shape as you'd be led to believe from reading the internet forums all the time.

 

[blurredvision]

Pre-orders are already hugely in favor of PS4 so unless something huge happens, this is definitely not happening.

There still aren't any official numbers, are they? We still going off Amazon best seller list?

 

[smackababy]

There still aren't any official numbers, are they? We still going off Amazon best seller list?

Well, the people love to bring up the pre-orders, but the fact remains only the launch edition will be sold at launch. So, whoever allocated the most units (MS or Sony), will sell the most really. And MS has already pushed back their Asia launch for NA / EU to have more units (because that is their bread and butter). So, likely, the Xbox One will dominate the US market because Sony is still launcher in Japan. MS will be behind their this generation, just like last, but overall, the market that really matters to them will have more Xbox Ones to be bought.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It doesn't matter until they actually sell through. People on amazon can pre-order multiples with no money down.

I think B&M stores mean more because they have a certain number of pre-orders and they track their sell through rate. Plus they take some money up front (people paying something down are more likely to actually purchase in the end I think). There could be a couple thousand people who cancel from amazon as it gets closer to the launch of the new consoles. Remember people could get hyped and pre-order on amazon cause it's free and maybe they'll get it...after a few months thinking they realize they don't really want it that bad.

 

[Midwayman]

Not really strange. The 360 gives Microsoft a load of steam going into next-gen. It's just the handful of internet junkies who bash Microsoft at every turn. Microsoft isn't in as bad of shape as you'd be led to believe from reading the internet forums all the time.

While I agree that the fanboys on the net have overblown the whole issue, its not the whole story. MS has been rumored to have supply issues, they have been rumored to have been planning a 2014 launch so this caught them off guard, pre-orders seem to be in favor of the ps4, and allocations that we've heard of are in favor of the ps4.

Demand probably has little to do with it though. Both will sell every unit they have through the holidays at least. Its just surprising to hear that they might be able to deliver a whole lot more units. Maybe MS just has much better manufacturing contracts?

 

[hans030390]

Since both the PS4 and XB1 are likely going to sell well, why does it matter which one sells more?

 

[blurredvision]

MS has been rumored to have supply issues, they have been rumored to have been planning a 2014 launch so this caught them off guard

As you said, both are rumors and I don't think we should still be bringing them up. Hell, the first one about supply issues was started by a single member on NeoGAF if I remember correctly and it just spread like wildfire. It was stated that it was from a "trusted source who was right about other stuff" and it hasn't died down since.

The whole 2014 launch has always been an iffy rumor as well that is starting to sound more and more unlikely due to other rumors that have come out since.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The rumors about the always online and DRM turned out to be correct even though it changed now. There are people who find things out and leak them. One of whom is almost always correct.

Is he the one who mentioned the supply problems?

 

[purbeast0]

Since both the PS4 and XB1 are likely going to sell well, why does it matter which one sells more?

fanboy fuel.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Definition of fanboy:

n - 3 people on these forums who constantly use the word fanboy to defend against anything they deem negative (even when 100% true) about something they are a fanboy of.

Get a real argument or just accept what it is, all those rumors purebeast, smackababy and blurredvision said could NOT in any way be true, were. FCS I can't believe you guys are STILL doing this sh!t. MS screwed up and got called on it. They tried to make good, and now it will be up to the masses to decide what happens next. NONE of what happened was 'fanboy' driven as you keep liking to say.

 

[BladeVenom]

Since both the PS4 and XB1 are likely going to sell well, why does it matter which one sells more?

A better selling system tends to get more games.

If everyone you knows buys a PS4, which is the way it's looking, who are you going to play multiplayer games with if you get stuck with an Xbox One?

 

[purbeast0]

Definition of fanboy:

n - 3 people on these forums who constantly use the word fanboy to defend against anything they deem negative (even when 100% true) about something they are a fanboy of.

Get a real argument or just accept what it is, all those rumors purebeast, smackababy and blurredvision said could NOT in any way be true, were. FCS I can't believe you guys are STILL doing this sh!t. MS screwed up and got called on it. They tried to make good, and now it will be up to the masses to decide what happens next. NONE of what happened was 'fanboy' driven as you keep liking to say.

what are you even talking about? my fanboy comment up above was not directed at anybody or any specific set of fanboys, just fanboys in general.

what console sells more at launch has absolutely no effect on anybody at all, other than the people holding stock in ms and sony. the only people that truly care about it are the fanboys who can say "their" console "won" launch.

i never said anything about rumors being true or false, and i never said any of what happened was fanboy driven.

your reply made absolutely no sense to what anybody has said of recent in this thread.

 

[smackababy]

The rumors about the always online and DRM turned out to be correct even though it changed now. There are people who find things out and leak them. One of whom is almost always correct.

Is he the one who mentioned the supply problems?

Yes, I believe it was the same guy.

The rumor was that MS was having very low yields on chips, that doesn't always mean low supply. They just have to have more chips made. I suppose it could be a theory they will have a low supply, but MS is a company willing to spend billions to make this work (they did with the Xbox and it paid off for them, why not now?).

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yes, I believe it was the same guy.

The rumor was that MS was having very low yields on chips, that doesn't always mean low supply. They just have to have more chips made. I suppose it could be a theory they will have a low supply, but MS is a company willing to spend billions to make this work (they did with the Xbox and it paid off for them, why not now?).

I never saw the actual thread on it when I looked so I didn't know how it was worded. It makes sense...low yields? Spend more and have them make more to make up for the losses.

 

[smackababy]

So, games in the EU will be 50 euros on the Xbox One and $60 in the US. Is that in line with current pricing? I guessed it was 60 euros now, but I am not sure. If it is a price drop, the UK guys should be a bit happier.

 

[Rage187]

Yes, I believe it was the same guy.

The rumor was that MS was having very low yields on chips, that doesn't always mean low supply. They just have to have more chips made. I suppose it could be a theory they will have a low supply, but MS is a company willing to spend billions to make this work (they did with the Xbox and it paid off for them, why not now?).

once they down clocked, they got better yields and now have more supply.

Plus, let's say each side makes 10 million consoles for launch:

MS only has to worry about supplying the US and Europe
Sony has to have a huge supply for Japan and the US and Europe

Of course MS is going to have 3 times as many consoles available in the US. They aren't having to cover as much territory.

 

[smackababy]

once they down clocked, they got better yields and now have more supply.

Plus, let's say each side makes 10 million consoles for launch:

MS only has to worry about supplying the US and Europe
Sony has to have a huge supply for Japan and the US and Europe

Of course MS is going to have 3 times as many consoles available in the US. They aren't having to cover as much territory.

They did not down clock, in fact, they are increasing the clock speeds. So, I don't know what you're on about. Yield != supply available, especially for a company that can spend billions having a fab make wafers. They just have to make more wafers to increase supply.

 

[blurredvision]

Get a real argument or just accept what it is, all those rumors purebeast, smackababy and blurredvision said could NOT in any way be true, were. FCS I can't believe you guys are STILL doing this sh!t. MS screwed up and got called on it. They tried to make good, and now it will be up to the masses to decide what happens next. NONE of what happened was 'fanboy' driven as you keep liking to say.

Hell, don't call me out. My point is that low yields mean absolutely nothing to us discussing something on a forum. Who cares? That's Microsoft's problem, even if true. If every post starts with "rumor says" then what are we really discussing?

With that aside, purbeast's comment with "fanboy" in it was purely aimed at people who care about launch numbers solely to rub it in the other side's face. His point (another you missed) was that only idiots care about launch/pre-order numbers when we all know they'll both sell well. It's likely that whomever puts more on the shelves will "win" launch.

 

[Aikouka]

So, games in the EU will be 50 euros on the Xbox One and $60 in the US. Is that in line with current pricing? I guessed it was 60 euros now, but I am not sure. If it is a price drop, the UK guys should be a bit happier.

50 EUR = 66 USD, so it's either slightly more or maybe includes some sort of VAT. The VAT is different per territory, so I'm betting it will cost more. GB's VAT is 20%, so games will be 60 EUR there. Although, I think they still mostly use the GBP, which is 50 EUR = ~43 GBP. So, it will be ~50 GBP for a game, which is about $77.

 

[smackababy]

50 EUR = 66 USD, so it's either slightly more or maybe includes some sort of VAT. The VAT is different per territory, so I'm betting it will cost more. GB's VAT is 20%, so games will be 60 EUR there. Although, I think they still mostly use the GBP, which is 50 EUR = ~43 GBP. So, it will be ~50 GBP for a game, which is about $77.

The article I read was that it was 40 euros before VAT and 50 after, for the UK. I was just remarking on it, because I thought the EU prices were usually the same as the US, except in euros rather than dollars, making them quite a bit more expensive. I thought this was a good move, if my prior assumption was correct, at "normalizing" the price for the UK and the US.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Microsoft to allow self publishishing for indie devs. Something else odd was said...don't know what it means.

Our vision is that every person can be a creator. That every Xbox One can be used for development

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-reverses-xbox-one-indie-publishing-requirements-6411991

 

[smackababy]

Can't read the link, but I'd imagine it will work like how Apple has it set up.

Does it mention having to sign up as a developer and maybe pay a fee per year or something? I can't imagine MS just allowing everyone to run unsigned code. Piracy would be made quite a bit easier if that was the case. And you could side load apps. That might be decent.

 

[Midwayman]

Can't read the link, but I'd imagine it will work like how Apple has it set up.

Does it mention having to sign up as a developer and maybe pay a fee per year or something? I can't imagine MS just allowing everyone to run unsigned code. Piracy would be made quite a bit easier if that was the case. And you could side load apps. That might be decent.

Probably similar to XNA on 360. Good news on the indie front though.