The Official Xbox One Thread

[futurefields]

If this photo is any bit accurate, then I'm not so sure about the accuracy of your statement. :hmm:

heh... if that photo is accurate, then whoever is coding the xbox 360 version should be drug out into the street and shot.

 

[Wingznut]

I think the problem is the games running on the hardware aren't looking that much better than current gen.

Someone always says that near console launch.

 

[smackababy]

you are blind if you think ki looks like something that could be on 360. there is so much detail in that game and so much going on screen, absolutely no way ps3/360 could do it.

granted, i've seen it in person and played it, and it looks much better than videos of it do. videos don't really do it justice.

It's funny people would say that about KI. future has obviously not played the current crop of fighting games on the current consoles. An Xbox 360 or a PS3 couldn't run KI without slowdowns.

 

[blurredvision]

I have one question. For the Xbox and the PS4, why is there little to no footage (direct feed video or stills) from gameplay? I still feel like I have no idea what kind of graphics these things can produce. I have seen stills from their PC ports but that is not really indicative of what it will look like on the console. Can someone link me to video or stills from BF4 on Xbone or any other game for that matter?

Here's some off-screen video of BF4 running on the X1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQdzQLC9uo#t=57

 

[blurredvision]

If this photo is any bit accurate, then I'm not so sure about the accuracy of your statement. :hmm:

There's no way that 360 photo is accurate, it looks like the game maybe had some horrible texture pop-in and this screen was taken before the pop-in occurred. Anybody playing the BF4 beta that can confirm this? If true, that's insane.

 

[Tweak155]

There's no way that 360 photo is accurate, it looks like the game maybe had some horrible texture pop-in and this screen was taken before the pop-in occurred. Anybody playing the BF4 beta that can confirm this? If true, that's insane.

It is probably pre-pop or not even in the beta at that distance. It is an overblown example.

 

[Topweasel]

It is probably pre-pop or not even in the beta at that distance. It is an overblown example.

It does look like that. But I am assuming that since DICE has always developed PC first that, they are in the process of lowering the specs and looks for the PS3 and Xbox and it wasn't done in time for the beta. It isn't going to be shipped that way they just wanted more than anything for it to be playable.

 

[sze5003]

There's no way that 360 photo is accurate, it looks like the game maybe had some horrible texture pop-in and this screen was taken before the pop-in occurred. Anybody playing the BF4 beta that can confirm this? If true, that's insane.

Played the beta on ps3 and graphics suck. It does look like that 360 photo. The enemies sometimes look like colored shadows. Although it is a beta so who knows. I have not downloaded the beta for pc though.

 

[Tweak155]

It does look like that. But I am assuming that since DICE has always developed PC first that, they are in the process of lowering the specs and looks for the PS3 and Xbox and it wasn't done in time for the beta. It isn't going to be shipped that way they just wanted more than anything for it to be playable.

I don't doubt it. But its still just a beta, hardly worth comparing.

 

[Staples]

I don't think the 360 version in that picture looks unbelievably bad from what I expect. But I do question the timing of the picture. That map has clouds of fog constantly blowing through so the draw distance in that shot may artificially be less than it would when the fog blows away.

Have only played the PC version.

 

[Nemesis13]

There's no way that 360 photo is accurate, it looks like the game maybe had some horrible texture pop-in and this screen was taken before the pop-in occurred. Anybody playing the BF4 beta that can confirm this? If true, that's insane.

IDK I played a entire game that looked like that, i backed out and joined a new server and its the same way. I think the might not have included the texture pack in the beta.

 

[Arkaign]

IDK I played a entire game that looked like that, i backed out and joined a new server and its the same way. I think the might not have included the texture pack in the beta.

Yeah it will look far better in final form, but probably not any better than BF3 for 360 did. They've long since squeezed every bit of potential performance out of that platform. So it will look passable compared to the beta, but it's not going to magically look like XB1, just like XB1 is going to look terrible compared to a decent PC.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Think im gonna go XBone.

Hate the PS controllers... sure PS4 looks better but im sorry that fecking thing looks huge. I dont want to hold that.

Also, looking like XBone might have the cpu advantage. Since they overclocked to 1.75 ghz and Sony is at 1.6 ghz, and also Microsoft apparently has a hardware audio chip that will process all of the audio, further unloading the CPU whereas I believe PS4 has the CPU doing that.

Also, this is just a hunch, but Microsoft is taking a PR beating. I'm thinking they are going to reward their Xbox Live customers with some cool shit next gen, to keep them onboard and to spread positive word of mouth. Im expecting free games and DLC and all that kind of stuff.

I guarantee the PS4 controller is not huge. I have felt one, not played any games with it but I have held it in my hands. It's fantastic as far as initial feel is concerned. Where are you pulling the CPU numbers from? That's not accurate at all. There is no overclocking going on. Both are underclocked compared to what the CPU would run in a PC. There are no released specifications on exact clock speeds for the CPU in the PS4. The closest is an FCC filing for the PS4 that claims 2.75Ghz clock speed that doesn't mention specifically CPU speed and presumably is the base clock for the GDDR5 memory. I have seen a few reports from E3 where devs were claiming they are working with a 1.95Ghz CPU for the PS4 system when asked but there is still nothing official. Besides all that I've read all the articles about the developers working with these systems and talking about the potential for them, pretty much every one indicates that there is higher performance coming from a PS4. Not that it makes any immediate difference, but the things you talk about are backwards when compared to what developers are saying. As for the audio, PS4 has an audio chip that can compress and decompress audio streams from games (in various formats) and for voice chat. So there is going to be no audio difference. http://www.gamechup.com/mark-cerny-ps4-contains-a-dedicated-audio-processing-chip/

It sounds to me like you made up a bunch of stuff cause you're a fan of MS or the xbox brand. It's ok to like the brand but don't make up numbers to suit an argument.

I honestly LOVE Halo 4 more than any other halo ever. It may be because it's the Halo I've excelled the most in though. Every other halo I was a "meh" player. This one, I can regularly rollface easily in. It's almost as if people don't understand how the boltshot works....



For the 10% of gamers who understand clockspeeds/hardware, the PS4 sounds better. For the REST of the gamers though who don't get that stuff (and there are TONS of them), they'll stick with the console that has the games they want or that their friends are buying. So when you think about it, MS isn't in a bad spot. Their console costs less to produce than PS4, sells at a higher price, and will most likely have similar sales (just look at PS3 vs Xbox 360).
Also, we look at resolution, I realized recently the casual gamer doesn't know SHIIIT about this. My friends bought 720p tvs in prep for these new consoles because they were big. They didn't even understand me when I was saying resolution, "Game looks good though!" is all they cared about.
I can see MS just playing their games at slightly less resolutions and maybe tweak the settings a bit to get the game looking pretty close to the PS4 equivalent.
By the time people can say "THis console is better than this one" definitely with actual game footage, most people will have made their decision, and other purchasers will be getting a console to join their friends.

Never underestimate how the casual gamer/user can and will purchase based on advertising alone and nothing to do with performance.
One example is AMD 64 Athlon vs Intel. AMD trashed Intel in performance in that era, and probably should have sold MUCH MORE CHIPS, but intel simply did some advertising (including some arab references...), and also said "the numbers are higher so it's faster!" and boom you come out ahead.

For us on a tech forum, performance matters a lot.
To a casual user though? It's about buying the thing your friends have and fitting in.

On Halo 4, most of the better players I knew gave up when Bungie left. Now they play other things (BF, CoD). If more people did that, played only the campaign and skipped MP maybe that would account for the difference in player skill that you are seeing.

I wasn't even talking about hardware decisions when I said I think MS does regret a couple things. They made some decisions, and allowed their employees to insult people Maybe allow isn't the right word. Anyway, some of the things they did and some of their initial focus was received negatively. That will impact initial numbers a bit. If there's more steam behind one console over another it will convince others to jump on the train. Which is why we see the pre-order numbers we do.

 

[cmdrdredd]

double

 

[sze5003]

I always thought the 360 controller was huge, bulky too. I have big hands and it still bothered me that it felt like I was holding a sweet potato.

 

[Tweak155]

I always thought the 360 controller was bigger too. But when you compare them side by side, the PS3 controller is quite large.

I'm optimistic for the PS4 controller though. My biggest gripe is sometimes my thumbs would touch on the joysticks. It looks like they made these a bit wider so that problem may be solved.

 

[Anubis]

Played the beta on ps3 and graphics suck. It does look like that 360 photo. The enemies sometimes look like colored shadows. Although it is a beta so who knows. I have not downloaded the beta for pc though.

there is more texture than that on the PS3 beta i was playing it last night. its not as good as the PC obviously but its not like everything is a grey flat surface

 

[purbeast0]

just got an email that gamestop has more day 1 x1's for preorder if anyone is interested.

http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one?cid=eml_10001079

 

[Todd33]

Think im gonna go XBone.

Hate the PS controllers... sure PS4 looks better but im sorry that fecking thing looks huge. I dont want to hold that.

Also, looking like XBone might have the cpu advantage. Since they overclocked to 1.75 ghz and Sony is at 1.6 ghz, and also Microsoft apparently has a hardware audio chip that will process all of the audio, further unloading the CPU whereas I believe PS4 has the CPU doing that.

Also, this is just a hunch, but Microsoft is taking a PR beating. I'm thinking they are going to reward their Xbox Live customers with some cool shit next gen, to keep them onboard and to spread positive word of mouth. Im expecting free games and DLC and all that kind of stuff.

I love the rationalization. Lots of fanboy talking points, subjective controller non-sense, etc.

You buy consoles based on the clock rate of CPUs? The PS4 CPU clockrate isn't public, so it is a fruitless comparison. Obviously MS has been on the defensive for specs and have been doing damage control starting with minor clock bumps. If they had designed their system to be competitive from the start they would never have to touch clock rate right before release.

As for the controller stuff, just read the previews form people who have used it. If anything the praise for the DS4 is universal and there are quite a few negative previews for the new XB1 controller, lots of stuff about ergonomics and the sticks being too short.

But your mind was made up long before you knew anything about the new systems. Enjoy paying $100 for a waggle camera and a pay wall that hinds the most basic features.

 

[purbeast0]

I love the rationalization. Lots of fanboy talking points, subjective controller non-sense, etc.

You buy consoles based on the clock rate of CPUs? The PS4 CPU clockrate isn't public, so it is a fruitless comparison. Obviously MS has been on the defensive for specs and have been doing damage control starting with minor clock bumps. If they had designed their system to be competitive from the start they would never have to touch clock rate right before release.

As for the controller stuff, just read the previews form people who have used it. If anything the praise for the DS4 is universal and there are quite a few negative previews for the new XB1 controller, lots of stuff about ergonomics and the sticks being too short.

But your mind was made up long before you knew anything about the new systems. Enjoy paying $100 for a waggle camera and a pay wall that hinds the most basic features.

ironic post is ironic.

 

[blurredvision]

Enjoy paying $100 for a waggle camera and a pay wall that hinds the most basic features.

But the PS4 is a gamer's system made by and for gamers, right? Pay wall shouldn't matter, since you're not going to use any of that other shit, you're just going to play games. That's what I hear from PS4 fanboys, anyway.

 

[purbeast0]

i just saw this on gamestop and thought this was very interesting.

bf4 physical game disc - $60.
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/games/battlefield-4/109973

bf4 downloadable version - $50
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/dlc/battlefield-4-premium/111505

EDIT:

NEVERMIND! it's not the game derp derp derp!

 

[Durvelle27]

i just saw this on gamestop and thought this was very interesting.

bf4 physical game disc - $60.
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/games/battlefield-4/109973

bf4 downloadable version - $50
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/dlc/battlefield-4-premium/111505

You know that's just the Premium membership and not the full game lol

 

[RedRooster]

i just saw this on gamestop and thought this was very interesting.

bf4 physical game disc - $60.
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/games/battlefield-4/109973

bf4 downloadable version - $50
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/dlc/battlefield-4-premium/111505

That is an excellent start! Knock another $10 off the DD version, and people will flock to the DD versions of stuff.
I'm desperate to go all digital next gen(either system).

 

[purbeast0]

You know that's just the Premium membership and not the full game lol

lol had no clue, my bad hah!