The Official Xbox One Thread

[purbeast0]

i just have a totally different mindset. just because they showed off non-gaming features doesn't mean it won't have gaming features. the gaming features are a given. the non-gaming ones aren't.

i'm curious as to what gaming features sony showed off with the ps4 that were so much better than showed with the xbox1. and i'm talking about gaming features that aren't just showing us what games are going to be coming out with some footage.

 

[American Gunner]

If people followed anything that MS has been saying leading up to this point, they wouldn't have expected much on the game front. They wanted to get all the other stuff out of the way so that E3 will be all about the games.
Edit: And MS did announce one new exclusive, and said that they have 15 coming in the first year. They will be showing that stuff in 19 days.

 

[Aikouka]

I took a look at IGN, and they're reporting a few other details such as there is no backwards compatibility (as some rumors suggested), and the Kinect is required for the console to operate.

 

[Anubis]

Technically, doesn't every XB One sold add to Sony's bottom line? I'm assuming MS has to pay some sort of licencing/royalty fees for every device they sell to Sony.

That had to be an awkward discussion

BD licence is like 10$ per device so yes

 

[Dominato3r]

I can talk to my phone and pull up a google search the same way. That usage case really doesn't seem to be that appealing.

Look, Microsoft forgets the people who made the Xbox brand what it is. At least it seems so from this presentation. The gamers are what made Xbox successful, the people watching TV made Comcast the giant it is today.

Entertainment uses exceed gaming on the X360. It has for over a year now

 

[raasco]

for me personally i will be passing until there is a large price drop or they announce games i just have to have. there was nothing announced today that got me excited at all about the new console. i could not possibily care less about the NFL fantasy stuff, or the TV stuff as i watch so little TV anyway. I already have a HTPC and 3 other BR players that can connect to pretty much any online service. COD is crap. i really dont care about kinnect or voice controlls.

i think im just getting too old to care

1) 100% agree.

2) I don't like the idea of Microsoft knowing everything about me. Google will no longer be the "mothership" of data logging once this thing goes out.

3) Anyone worried about data caps?

 

[Gunbuster]

I know a ton of people dogged on the pizza hut app for 360 but with the XO multitasking I can not wait for more things like that! I'm talking to you JimmyJohns? Get to work!!!

 

[smackababy]

When the Xbox originally launched in 2001 it was an unknown. Nobody knew what to expect from Microsoft, who primarily did software, when they announced they were getting into the video game hardware business. Initial mild success followed. It exploded when new possibilities were realized from LAN party connectivity on Halo, and later on the first incarnation of XBL was worked on. The gaming population in North America embraced their ideas, their hardware, and their games. The Xbox 360 was the next step for gamers. People had a better XBL experience that was tighter and worked better. The success of Halo and other titles from Microsoft like Forza which now could go online outdid what many expected from a console. The gamers enbraced Microsoft when they were struggling against the PS2 juggernaut and a well established Nintendo (who's own failings caused a rift between themselves and 3rd party devs and publishers but that's another story).

Microsoft used most of this presentation to display ideas that aren't central to gaming and the hearts of those who stuck with them since their small beginnings in the industry. Generally speaking, gamers want to have exciting gaming experiences which I am sure they will have. However, pushing the new box to be an all in one device is off putting to me because I am looking at these new consoles from the mindset of a gamer. Everything not gaming related I can already do either from my PC, or another device I own currently. So people like me who have supported their efforts with Halo, Project Gothem Racing, & now Forza and other IPs are almost an afterthought. At least from what was revealed today. I realize E3 is next month, and I expect less TV and more games. However, they left me questioning whether they have forgotten why the Xbox brand is where it is. It wasn't windows, and it wasn't watching TV that made it the success that it is. This was their chance to impress me, a gamer. I don't think they did that. Not with Kinect integration, watching TV, and sports games. I do realize sports games have a very big market too that can't be ignored. First impressions are important. I think Sony did a good job explaining the benefit of the PS4 to me as a gamer, but I cannot say the same thing about Microsoft's reveal of the XboxOne. Not yet.



That's why I have a phone on me. Can pull up anything without pausing at all.

MS gets that gamers want games. They know gamers are going to buy the consoles based on games. But they also know that if it comes down to "both play CoD, but one lets me watch Football while I play Cod" one offers more to certain aspects of gamers. And as far as gaming stuff, they already did all they could do: they put in huge amounts of ram and gave it a good processor. What else, from a hardware standpoint could they do? The game department is up to the devs almost entirely.

And E3 is going to be for the devs to show what they can do on each system.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Entertainment uses exceed gaming on the X360. It has for over a year now

Why is that? Ask yourself...there are not enough compelling exclusive games.

This needs to change.

 

[yllus]

When the Xbox originally launched in 2001 it was an unknown. Nobody knew what to expect from Microsoft, who primarily did software, when they announced they were getting into the video game hardware business. Initial mild success followed. It exploded when new possibilities were realized from LAN party connectivity on Halo, and later on the first incarnation of XBL was worked on. The gaming population in North America embraced their ideas, their hardware, and their games. The Xbox 360 was the next step for gamers. People had a better XBL experience that was tighter and worked better. The success of Halo and other titles from Microsoft like Forza which now could go online outdid what many expected from a console. The gamers enbraced Microsoft when they were struggling against the PS2 juggernaut and a well established Nintendo (who's own failings caused a rift between themselves and 3rd party devs and publishers but that's another story).

Microsoft used most of this presentation to display ideas that aren't central to gaming and the hearts of those who stuck with them since their small beginnings in the industry. Generally speaking, gamers want to have exciting gaming experiences which I am sure they will have. However, pushing the new box to be an all in one device is off putting to me because I am looking at these new consoles from the mindset of a gamer. Everything not gaming related I can already do either from my PC, or another device I own currently. So people like me who have supported their efforts with Halo, Project Gothem Racing, & now Forza and other IPs are almost an afterthought. At least from what was revealed today. I realize E3 is next month, and I expect less TV and more games. However, they left me questioning whether they have forgotten why the Xbox brand is where it is. It wasn't windows, and it wasn't watching TV that made it the success that it is. This was their chance to impress me, a gamer. I don't think they did that. Not with Kinect integration, watching TV, and sports games. I do realize sports games have a very big market too that can't be ignored. First impressions are important. I think Sony did a good job explaining the benefit of the PS4 to me as a gamer, but I cannot say the same thing about Microsoft's reveal of the XboxOne. Not yet.

That's why I have a phone on me. Can pull up anything without pausing at all.

I think you're probably right that Microsoft is changing tactics - the marketing strategy for this next machine will be about living room domination throughout activities of all types, not just gaming. I think that we're going to have less of a console war and more of a living room war now - Microsoft is going to go at this with a machine that's multi-functional and by most accounts is a little less powerful as it relates to video games, while Sony may be going the purist gaming route. There's room (and money) for both machines in a lot of living rooms, so both are probably good strategies for the respective companies.

I work for a media company and people here have been talking about the "second screen experience" for some time. Watching TV while also using a laptop, tablet or phone to browse whatever is something people already do - the Xbox One is just doing that in a slightly more official and integrated manner. This is smart of them - they're catering to a market practically begging for a product to buy.

It's important to remember that the people in the world who care enough about video games and consoles to post about them on the Internet are a very small percentage compared to the amount of people who will be looking to buy the newest, hottest living room toy that will be used by the entire family come Christmas 2013. I think this is an entirely rational decision on Microsoft's part. Let's just hope they don't drop the ball on the gaming part of the equation.

 

[KaOTiK]

i just have a totally different mindset. just because they showed off non-gaming features doesn't mean it won't have gaming features. the gaming features are a given. the non-gaming ones aren't.

i'm curious as to what gaming features sony showed off with the ps4 that were so much better than showed with the xbox1. and i'm talking about gaming features that aren't just showing us what games are going to be coming out with some footage.

Sony showed off some gaming stuff. Streaming/recording, being able to pass play to someone else and stuff. I don't really care for such features, but at least they are game centric and trying to improve on the gaming experience.

We do have different mindsets. I look at a video game console for games. I expect to see the features it has for games, which consoles as they are I fully expected non gaming features to be a given, just varying on what they do. All that non gaming stuff is just fluff and has no sway over my decision on buying a console, because I buy a console for a sole purpose, to play games.

All that other crap I can do on my PC and do it about 100x in most cases. I only game on my consoles for games that do not come to the PC.

 

[Dominato3r]

Why is that? Ask yourself...there are not enough compelling exclusive games.

This needs to change.

Every year game revenue is increasing as well. It's just showing a shift in demographics. Gamers are still important, but if half your audience wants media, you talk media.

 

[purbeast0]

nm

 

[smackababy]

Sony showed off some gaming stuff. Streaming/recording, being able to pass play to someone else and stuff. I don't really care for such features, but at least they are game centric and trying to improve on the gaming experience.

We do have different mindsets. I look at a video game console for games. I expect to see the features it has for games, which consoles as they are I fully expected non gaming features to be a given, just varying on what they do. All that non gaming stuff is just fluff and has no sway over my decision on buying a console, because I buy a console for a sole purpose, to play games.

All that other crap I can do on my PC and do it about 100x in most cases. I only game on my consoles for games that do not come to the PC.

MS announced recording of game play, and streaming is most likely coming. They just didn't spend an hour talking about it because people who want to game will watch E3. They talked about everything else that differentiates them from the PS4. Being able to do all the game stuff AND the fluff makes them better to the majority of people than just being able to do the gaming stuff "a little more powerfully".

 

[Gunbuster]

Why is that? Ask yourself...there are not enough compelling exclusive games.

This needs to change.

Or just maybe adults have an Xbox and a spouse. Not everyone is sitting in the basement chugging mountan dew playing CoD. They are chilling on the couch watching Game of Thrones or Downton Abbey.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Sony showed off some gaming stuff. Streaming/recording, being able to pass play to someone else and stuff. I don't really care for such features, but at least they are game centric and trying to improve on the gaming experience.

We do have different mindsets. I look at a video game console for games. I expect to see the features it has for games, which consoles as they are I fully expected non gaming features to be a given, just varying on what they do. All that non gaming stuff is just fluff and has no sway over my decision on buying a console, because I buy a console for a sole purpose, to play games.

All that other crap I can do on my PC and do it about 100x in most cases. I only game on my consoles for games that do not come to the PC.

This is my feeling as well. The PS3 initially sold well because it was the only Blu-Ray player under $800 and it got the latest updates. I didn't buy it until it had some good games and it just happened to get a price drop too. The Blu-Ray playback was a bonus. One I hardly used at first too. Once the games started rolling out the sales picked up and it did very, very well. I expect I won't use any of the XBOne's media functions past streaming video off my PC. I'll probably only use it for that since Windows8 will be integrated through Smartglass which might be easier than the way the PS4 will work in conjunction with my setup. Still, that usage will be very small compared to my usage for gaming. So I need to be sold on it for games. Sony sold me the PS4 already and I own a WiiU, it's Microsoft who needs to tell me why I need to have a XBOne as a gamer.

Or just maybe adults have an Xbox and a spouse. Not everyone is sitting in the basement chugging mountan dew playing CoD. They are chilling on the couch watching Game of Thrones or Downton Abbey.

If there were more games, better games, games that couldn't be played anywhere else...gaming usage would go up. That's clear to me.

Sony had a pretty big push in the market with the PS3 thanks to their exclusives list.

 

[smackababy]

This is my feeling as well. The PS3 initially sold well because it was the only Blu-Ray player under $800 and it got the latest updates. I didn't buy it until it had some good games and it just happened to get a price drop too. The Blu-Ray playback was a bonus. One I hardly used at first too. Once the games started rolling out the sales picked up and it did very, very well. I expect I won't use any of the XBOne's media functions past streaming video off my PC. I'll probably only use it for that since Windows8 will be integrated through Smartglass which might be easier than the way the PS4 will work in conjunction with my setup. Still, that usage will be very small compared to my usage for gaming. So I need to be sold on it for games. Sony sold me the PS4 already and I own a WiiU, it's Microsoft who needs to tell me why I need to have a XBOne as a gamer.



If there were more games, better games, games that couldn't be played anywhere else...gaming usage would go up. That's clear to me.

Sony had a pretty big push in the market with the PS3 thanks to their exclusives list.

And at E3, where games are traditionally announced and demo'd, they will try.

 

[American Gunner]

Why is that? Ask yourself...there are not enough compelling exclusive games.

This needs to change.

This is the dumbest thing I have heard. Yes there aren't a ton of exclusives, but third party developers continue to put out great games that do really well on Xbox. The difference is a lot of older gamers also have familes that use the consoles for more than just games.

 

[cmdrdredd]

And at E3, where games are traditionally announced and demo'd, they will try.

Like I said previously, first impressions are important. This was a bad first impression for me.

It's not that I won't buy one now, it's just that I feel snubbed as a gamer by this reveal. Hopefully they have enough at E3 to win me over.

This is the dumbest thing I have heard. Yes there aren't a ton of exclusives, but third party developers continue to put out great games that do really well on Xbox. The difference is a lot of older gamers also have familes that use the consoles for more than just games.

Exclusives matter more for hardware sales.

You really don't understand that since you can buy game X on any system you don't have to run out and buy System Y for it? A game you can not buy anywhere else except a certain platform sells the platform to gamers. 3rd party games are just a bonus after you are sold on the system.

There are people who bought an Xbox because they had to have Halo or Gears. People who bought a Nintendo console cause they had to have Zelda or Mario. People who bought a Sony system cause they had to have Uncharted or Gran Turismo.

 

[Carmen813]

My initial impressions are kind of myeh. Cool system, but...myeh. Excited about PS4 (and my Wii U, yes my Nintendo. Bite me )

 

[smackababy]

I feel snubbed as a gamer by this reveal.

"OMG a company didn't reveal every secret about their product pertaining exactly to me and since I can't understand how reveals actually go, I am upset."

Clearly, MS doesn't care about the entitled bunch. I applaud them.

 

[yllus]

This is the dumbest thing I have heard. Yes there aren't a ton of exclusives, but third party developers continue to put out great games that do really well on Xbox. The difference is a lot of older gamers also have familes that use the consoles for more than just games.

The age of exclusive titles is all but over. First party gaming studios are going away because the math for them doesn't make sense anymore - spend up to $100 million to develop a triple-A title, and then not sell it to the other half of the console market? At that point you're almost literally subsidizing purchases of your own side's hardware.

On the third party side, those gaming studios are going to demand a very, very large amount of money if they're going to agree to sacrifice potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in sales they could be making on the next Microsoft or Sony platform.

 

[cmdrdredd]

"OMG a company didn't reveal every secret about their product pertaining exactly to me and since I can't understand how reveals actually go, I am upset."

Clearly, MS doesn't care about the entitled bunch. I applaud them.

No...clearly microsoft cares more about casuals and people who just watch tv than Gamers, the people who made the Xbox brand something in the industry.

Gaming Console...Sony understands what that is and showed how I benefit as a gamer. Microsoft...didn't.

That's all it is right now. If you're hurt by my feelings on the matter go get a tissue.

 

[yllus]

Looks like we're hearing that there is zero backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 games, which is actually rather irritating. I actually don't mind if disc games don't work, but there are a bunch of XBLA games that I'd like to keep rockin' on the new system.

 

[Nemesis13]

The age of exclusive titles is all but over. First party gaming studios are going away because the math for them doesn't make sense anymore - spend up to $100 million to develop a triple-A title, and then not sell it to the other half of the console market? At that point you're almost literally subsidizing purchases of your own side's hardware.

On the third party side, those gaming studios are going to demand a very, very large amount of money if they're going to agree to sacrifice potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in sales they could be making on the next Microsoft or Sony platform.

THIS