The Official Xbox One Thread

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smackababy

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Looks like we're hearing that there is zero backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 games, which is actually rather irritating. I actually don't mind if disc games don't work, but there are a bunch of XBLA games that I'd like to keep rockin' on the new system.

PowerPC to X86 =( Yeah, it sucks, but I am sure a lot of the XBLA games will get ported over. Do you have to buy them again? Possibly.

No...clearly microsoft cares more about casuals and people who just watch tv than Gamers, the people who made the Xbox brand something in the industry.

Gaming Console...Sony understands what that is and showed how I benefit as a gamer. Microsoft...didn't.

That's all it is right now. If you're hurt by my feelings on the matter go get a tissue.
MS knows how to market. Sony said "hey everyone who only cares about gaming and nothing else: here is our cards". MS came out and said "Hey everyone who cares about everything else in your living room: here is our cards. Gamers, here is a tease; more to come in 19 days."

Sony did not show anything that benefits gamers other than their console (which they didn't even show). Here is a bunch of videos of games you will see videos of at E3. Oh, and you can use UStream, which is losing to twitch.tv.
 
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thegimp03

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Well, if there's no backwards compatibility, I wonder if they'll let you be able to access the network on both consoles under 1 Live subscription, assuming you own and want to operate both.
 

smackababy

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Well, if there's no backwards compatibility, I wonder if they'll let you be able to access the network on both consoles under 1 Live subscription, assuming you own and want to operate both.

At the same time or independently? Because, until the original XBL servers went down, you could access them with your XBL Gold account. You just had to "recover account" on the Xbox to do it.

I assume, once migrated over to the new Xbox, you will still be able to access both. Especially, since they are stating continued support for the 360.
 

cmdrdredd

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PowerPC to X86 =( Yeah, it sucks, but I am sure a lot of the XBLA games will get ported over. Do you have to buy them again? Possibly.

MS knows how to market. Sony said "hey everyone who only cares about gaming and nothing else: here is our cards". MS came out and said "Hey everyone who cares about everything else in your living room: here is our cards. Gamers, here is a tease; more to come in 19 days."

Sony did not show anything that benefits gamers other than their console (which they didn't even show). Here is a bunch of videos of games you will see videos of at E3. Oh, and you can use UStream, which is losing to twitch.tv.

They played some of the games, real time.
 

RussianSensation

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The age of exclusive titles is all but over. First party gaming studios are going away because the math for them doesn't make sense anymore - spend up to $100 million to develop a triple-A title, and then not sell it to the other half of the console market? At that point you're almost literally subsidizing purchases of your own side's hardware.

Without exclusives, the new Xbox is a mostly a waste of time. The PC delivers the best cross-platform gaming experience. Since PS4 is the most powerful console, it will be the best console for cross-platform games.
Where we sit now:

1) PS4 is the most powerful console.
2) PS4 has free online gaming.
3) PS4 will most likely have a superior library of exclusives.
4) PS4 supports used games.
5) PS4 will likely allow a swap of HDD to any SSD.

MS needs a $100-150 price cut against PS4 to make sense. There is nothing about the console they did right this time. It's also ugly looking, like a VCR from the 80s. I can't think of any reasons to buy Xbox One unless you have to have Forza or Halo.

MS's console needed to offer some compelling features against PS. Instead

 
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American Gunner

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Except you don't know if 2, 4, or 5 are true. They have never come out and said for a fact that they will do any of those things. And MS got wth Wired and said that they misunderstood their stance on used games. Oh, and look at how being the "most powerful" console worked out for Sony this round.
 

dagamer34

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Without exclusives, the new Xbox is a mostly a waste of time. The PC delivers the best cross-platform gaming experience. Since PS4 is the most powerful console, it will be the best console for cross-platform games.
Where we sit now:

1) PS4 is the most powerful console.
2) PS4 has free online gaming.
3) PS4 will most likely have a superior library of exclusives.
4) PS4 supports used games.
5) PS4 will likely allow a swap of HDD to any SSD.

MS needs a $100-150 price cut against PS4 to make sense. There is nothing about the console they did right this time. It's also ugly looking, like a VCR from the 80s. I can't think of any reasons to buy Xbox One unless you have to have Forza or Halo.

MS's console needed to offer some compelling features against PS. Instead


1) The most powerful console has never sold the most units in a generation since the SNES 20 years ago.
2) This has not been confirmed.
3) This is unknown.
4) This has not been confirmed.
5) This has not been confirmed.

Honestly now, the only thing worse than console wars is console wars with zero confimed information. It's just mindless speculation at this point.

Also, you saying the phrase "without exclusives", basically means you should wait until E3 before commenting on the situation. I think 4 games were shown? Expect more in the future.
 
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Nintendesert

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I'm gonna have to read through this thread sometime and get the specs for the BetamaX One. Hopefully it's good because my goodness it's an ugly piece of hardware.
 

yllus

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Without exclusives, the new Xbox is a mostly a waste of time. The PC delivers the best cross-platform gaming experience. Since PS4 is the most powerful console, it will be the best for cross-platform games too.

Where we sit now:

1) PS4 is the most powerful console.
2) PS4 has free online gaming.
3) PS4 will most likely have a superior library of exclusives.
4) PS4 supports used games.
5) PS4 will likely allow a swap of HDD to any SSD.

MS needs a $100-150 price cut against PS4 to make sense. There is nothing about the console they did right this time. It's also ugly looking, like a VCR from the 80s. I can't think of any reasons to buy Xbox One unless you have to have Forza or Halo.

This is the consumer scenario Microsoft has built this new machine for:

John Smith, age about 45, wife of Jane Smith and father of two point five children (aged 9, 4 and 0.5) walks into a Walmart. The date is December 17, 2013, and he needs that one jazzy purchase that's going to make his children scream with pleasure, and even make his wife nod and say, "Okay, that's pretty cool." He wants to feel like a hero for putting that item underneath the Christmas tree. What does he spend $400 on?

Does he pick the box that will give him (probably very hit and miss) voice controls for his television, cable box, Netflix and gaming console? The box that lets his kids play ultra-dumbed dumb Kinect games? The box that lets his wife Skype with her family overseas by saying, "Xbox, call mom"? The box that lets him call up his old college friend George and razz him about his Eagles beating George's Patriots while the two teams are actually playing?

Or does John buy the "most powerful console", the one that supports used games, the one that lets him swap out the HDD in it for a SSD?

Let's be real - John doesn't know what processor is in the Xbox One or PS4. He has no idea what HDD or SSD stands for, much less is inclined to do the manual labour to swap them. What he is going to do is listen to the television talking heads and glossy magazines that talk about how amazing the Xbox One makes your living room just by buying that one device.

So what you mean to say is that "without exclusives, the new Xbox is a mostly a waste of time for me." But the average consumer probably doesn't know that consoles even have exclusive titles. They just buy the console their friends already bought. I for one am not that sure there are enough gaming purists out there to make that friend circle buy PS4s over XBOs.
 
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American Gunner

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Damn, I guess I am weird because I didn't think it was ugly at all. I figured it would be bigger with the power source inside of it, and I like that it has plenty of ventilation. And I can't say it enough, but I really like that controller.
 

Spjut

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Based on what Microsoft showed, it feels like the Xbox One is only targeted for americans
 

Aikouka

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I know Microsoft said that it has 8GB of memory, but they weren't too explicit on what exactly it is. Although, based on this photo, it appears to be GDDR5 using 4-Gbit modules (just like the PS4) as you can see 16 of the modules around the APU.
 

Staples

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Engadget reports that the Xbox packs 8GB of DDR3 RAm while the PS4 packs 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. This could mean that the PS4 exclusives will look quite a bit better than cross platform games if the graphics and CPUs are nearly identical.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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Is the ps4 even really more powerful? It seems like theyre the same damn thing.

A small bit perhaps. They are using 8GB GDDR5 (reports say DDR3 for XBOne)and have a slimmer OS footprint so perhaps more memory available for the game running.

I haven't seen clock speeds and whatnot compared.

Based on what Microsoft showed, it feels like the Xbox One is only targeted for americans

I forgot that. Most if not all the TV features won't work outside of the US market due to all kinds of copyright reasons etc. Although, Japan never bought the xbox, Europe eventually favored the PS3 in sales over the last couple of years. So the biggest market the Xbox has is right here in their home country. Still, you make a valid point. Although I think they are aware of this and will work to get Europe and Asia markets situated on this front as best they can.
 
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Nintendesert

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Damn, I guess I am weird because I didn't think it was ugly at all. I figured it would be bigger with the power source inside of it, and I like that it has plenty of ventilation. And I can't say it enough, but I really like that controller.



The ventilation is nice, I'm sure that was a big deal for MS after the RROD debacle cost them so much money.

I'm just not a fan of the 1970's/1980's big blocky designs.
 

mmntech

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Based on what Microsoft showed, it feels like the Xbox One is only targeted for americans

A lot of the features for sure won't appear outside the States. Though that's par for the course with any media centric device, mainly due to an idiotic content licensing system.
 

badb0y

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Wow OK, so let's break it down.

The Good:

1.)The Kinect stuff was pretty cool but I have absolutely no use for it lol. I don't watch TV as much for it to make a difference. The gestures and commands were pretty awesome to watch though.
2.) 15 exclusive titles in the first year

The Bad:
1.) They only showcased 2 of the 15 exclusive games...All of the EA and Activision crap is going to come on the PS4 as well.
2.) Too much TV stuff happening for a game console...I hated it when they kept saying "Living Room Device." Motherfucker I play games in my room, usually alone so no one bothers me.
3.) I have a suspicion that Xbox One is weaker than the PS4. I know right of the bat that Xbox One has 8 GB DDR3 memory or they would have touted it like Sony did. If the rumors are true the GPU will probably weaker too.
4.) Ugly ass design but at least they showed the box lol.
 

Aikouka

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Engadget reports that the Xbox packs 8GB of DDR3 RAm while the PS4 packs 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. This could mean that the PS4 exclusives will look quite a bit better than cross platform games if the graphics and CPUs are nearly identical.

Hm... I assumed that Microsoft wouldn't want their console to be too weak compared to the PS4, but 4Gb DDR3 DRAM chips do exist. So, it's certainly possible, but I hope they don't. :\
 

lupi

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Not being 360 compatible is very lazy.

If in order to install you do need an internet connection, that would be just as bad as saying you need one to play. Will be very interested to see when these details are finally put out in detail.
 

badb0y

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I just saw this thread on neoGAF, if true Xbox is dead to me.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478

Fuck off

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/0...-one-analysis/

Quote:
There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in.

Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.

What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.

Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.
Update:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-a-fee-to-play
Quote:
Update 2: Our man on the ground Tom Bramwell was able to speak to corporate vice president of Microsoft Phil Harrison about this hot-button issue and was able to confirm that a second user can install a game from a friend's disc for a fee, though it's unclear how much this will be. Harrison also confirmed that several users sharing a console can access the same game at no additional charge, and Microsoft has "a solution" for the resale market, though it's staying mum on those for now.
Update 2:
http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-t...cros-509140825
Quote:
Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says.

"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.
Say goodbye to ever preserving these games.

Want to lend a game to a friend? Fuck you, pay me.
Want to lend a game to your little brother? Fuck you, pay me.
Want to rent a game? Fuck you, pay me.
Want to play a game after the activation server dies? Lol. You're fucked.
 
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