The Official Xbox One Thread

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batmang

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My point is that since both PS4 and Xbox One are sold out, we can't see the demand because it's limited by supply available. We have to wait until neither is sold out to truly see the actual demand

Man, what are you talking about? If both are selling out, they both have a demand. That is pretty clear. lol
 

blackdogdeek

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My point is that since both PS4 and Xbox One are sold out, we can't see the demand because it's limited by supply available. We have to wait until neither is sold out to truly see the actual demand

This is the funniest comment in this entire thread.
 

batmang

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This is the funniest comment in this entire thread.

Right?

Hah. So he's saying we can't see the demand, because they're both selling out as soon as they become available.

[sarcasm]

So obviously there is ZERO demand for either console. Oh wait a minute, maybe they're selling out because neither company is making them available. Maybe they're both creating this demand by making the consoles a scarce item, purposely.

EUREKA!

[/sarcasm]

Note: BB code color entry "Denial" resulted in the font color above... seriously. hah
 
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purbeast0

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My point is that since both PS4 and Xbox One are sold out, we can't see the demand because it's limited by supply available. We have to wait until neither is sold out to truly see the actual demand

yes, there is absolutely no demand for an item that can't stay on the shelf after 2 million of those product have been sold out. right ... no demand.

you need to go take an economics class.
 

smackababy

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This just in guys! There is also no demand for Retro Jordans and iPhones either. They sell out so fast, demand must be zero. I learned that in college!
 

nOd3N1AL

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OK i am done. People are simply too dumb here. I am saying you can't put a figure on the demand (i.e. How many people WANT a console and are willing to buy at current prices) because they're sold out! Demand could be anything above supply. If sold out at2 million, demand could be 3 million, 5 million etc. The only gauge is the price. The PS4's price compared to retail is higher than Xbox One's markup due to scarcity. PS4 is selling for about £450 whilst Xbone for £450 too, but Xbone is £430 retail whilst PS4 is £350.
 

American Gunner

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Yes, people here are dumb. How can they not see that you can't figure out the demand of a product that keeps selling out right away.
 

Ns1

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Yes, people here are dumb. How can they not see that you can't figure out the demand of a product that keeps selling out right away.

To his defense, it seems like he's arguing you can't tell actual total demand, not that there is no demand.

e.g. is demand 5m units? you don't know because only 2m units are supplied. you only know demand > 2m units, not the exact level of demand.


At least, that's what I think he's getting at.
 

Tweak155

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To his defense, it seems like he's arguing you can't tell actual total demand, not that there is no demand.

e.g. is demand 5m units? you don't know because only 2m units are supplied. you only know demand > 2m units, not the exact level of demand.


At least, that's what I think he's getting at.

That's what I figured... and possibly how do we know there aren't 4mil people that want Kinect and 50mil that don't, etc.

Obviously people that don't care for Kinect are going to buy anyway. I don't think you can gain anything by knowing the exact number... 2mil opening is a lot more than all previous console releases by a lot.
 

cmdrdredd

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Well he came in here all fired up about "more people would buy it if there was no kinect". How does that work when the supply doesn't keep up with the demand even with the kinect included?
 

Tweak155

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Well he came in here all fired up about "more people would buy it if there was no kinect". How does that work when the supply doesn't keep up with the demand even with the kinect included?

You can still have even more demand.

Either way you can't prove it. How can you prove the number of lost sales? Also how can you prove the number of people that buy it BECAUSE every system has it bundled? It's a waste of time either way.
 

purbeast0

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obviously people don't give a crap. if they did, they wouldn't be flying off shelves after 2 million have already sold in the first couple of weeks.

obviously there is no 100% way to quantify anything, just like it is impossible with any product in any market. but anyone with half a brain about how economics works already knows this.

no one is trying to "prove" anything, it's more about disproving this troll who came in here spouting "LOL M$ IS LULZ THE XBONER HAS NO DEMAND AND NO ONE WANTS IT LOL BECAUSE OF KINECT LOL M$ M$ M$!!!" when they have record breaking sales for a console release and still are hard to come by.
 

nOd3N1AL

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To his defense, it seems like he's arguing you can't tell actual total demand, not that there is no demand.

e.g. is demand 5m units? you don't know because only 2m units are supplied. you only know demand > 2m units, not the exact level of demand.


At least, that's what I think he's getting at.

finally, someone with an iq above 50
 

nOd3N1AL

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thought you were done? again, you should go take an economics course because you have no clue how it works. start with econ101.

I'm doing an Econ degree. You guys are so dumb it would be better if you never knew what the word meant. Lesson learnt: people on forums are dumb morons that just want to call others trolls without any attempt at understanding what I'm saying.
 

batmang

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OK i am done. People are simply too dumb here. I am saying you can't put a figure on the demand (i.e. How many people WANT a console and are willing to buy at current prices) because they're sold out! Demand could be anything above supply. If sold out at2 million, demand could be 3 million, 5 million etc. The only gauge is the price. The PS4's price compared to retail is higher than Xbox One's markup due to scarcity. PS4 is selling for about £450 whilst Xbone for £450 too, but Xbone is £430 retail whilst PS4 is £350.

I'm doing an Econ degree. You guys are so dumb it would be better if you never knew what the word meant. Lesson learnt: people on forums are dumb morons that just want to call others trolls without any attempt at understanding what I'm saying.

Right, that's great! You're doing a degree, but you don't work in the industry. So your "high" opinion on if people on these forums are dumb in relation to economics and gaming demographics is no different than your opinion to ours.

If you could figure out this demand then you'd be a product market researcher, which I'm sure both companies have. You really think Microsoft and Sony don't do economic demographic research? They can only make so many consoles. Right now, neither company can make enough consoles to keep them in stock across the world. As for real numbers, those take years to get. As for the overall winner in all of this? It's us! We get great games on two great consoles. You don't like XB1, that's fine cause you have a choice to go with PS4 and vice versa.

So in summary, the demand is high for both.
 
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Lil Frier

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Just to jump in out of nowhere, you can tell SOME demand through pre-orders and reserve lists. Didn't they say that the total number of folks waiting for a GameStop PS4 was around 2 million? I imagine such lists exist for the Xbox One at GameStop, and possibly elsewhere.
 

nOd3N1AL

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If you could figure out this demand then you'd be a product market researcher, which I'm sure both companies have. You think Microsoft and Sony don't do demographic research? They can only make so many consoles, and right now, neither company can make enough consoles to keep them in stock across the world. So in summary, the demand is high. lol?

yes, but HOW high? We don't know. The pricing indicates PS4 is in slightly greater demand (in the UK at least).
 

nOd3N1AL

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of course, MS would be mad NOT to bundle Kinect given that it's selling out. But in the future, when supply >= demand, they may consider a kinect-less Xbone to boost sales
 

batmang

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yes, but HOW high? We don't know. The pricing indicates PS4 is in slightly greater demand (in the UK at least).

I don't even think Sony or MS know. I think something like that (gauging world wide demand numbers) will take some time to understand. I'm trying to imagine how they would figure out the actual demand, its gotta be very hard to predict. So many things come into account; holidays, countries that embrace Christmas, countries that don't, market values, etc. Tough job for that product department I'm sure, because that correlates to manufacture rate, sales, and profit. Now we're getting deep.

To get back to the original topic though, I didn't buy a XB1 for two reasons. One, I don't have faith in Microsoft getting good contracts to develop exclusives. Sony has such a good track record with exclusives when compared, Sony won the exclusive race automatically IMO. Two, I don't like the XB1 hardware (Kinect, controller, design/footprint). I much prefer the PS4 in general overall.

I do think that embedding the Kinect in the sale of the XB1 was a mistake but I don't think it was enough to detour potential buyers.
When I was in line with my PS4 and XB1 ticket, I was talking with buyers on what console they were getting. The majority in line were getting PS4's and it was mainly because it was cheaper. The XB1 buyer I ended up talking with, he admitted that all of his friends were getting PS4's, that he'd be the lone ranger on the XB1. He said he couldn't bring himself to play on a PS4 controller, that he much preferred the XB marketplace and system and said his daughter was a big fan of the kinect. So yeah, its so cloudy right now. There really is no winner, no console is exceptionally better than the other. It's going to take many years and many game releases to determine that. And that, is nothing but awesome for consumers.
 
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Tweak155

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of course, MS would be mad NOT to bundle Kinect given that it's selling out. But in the future, when supply >= demand, they may consider a kinect-less Xbone to boost sales

I'd probably opt for the kinect-less one, but I don't mind buying the Kinect. It does get minimal use now, just not enough for me to buy it separately.
 

nOd3N1AL

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I'd probably opt for the kinect-less one, but I don't mind buying the Kinect. It does get minimal use now, just not enough for me to buy it separately.

Exactly. You still buy it even if you don't explicitly WANT Kinect; thus paying a higher price than you need to. MS taking full advantage because they will still sell all their units produced. In the long run, they'd benefit from Kinectless Xbone. But in my view, MS doesn't really care about its fans, it just wants to maximize profit at any cost.
 

Tweak155

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Exactly. You still buy it even if you don't explicitly WANT Kinect; thus paying a higher price than you need to. MS taking full advantage because they will still sell all their units produced. In the long run, they'd benefit from Kinectless Xbone. But in my view, MS doesn't really care about its fans, it just wants to maximize profit at any cost.

I'm not sure what else you expect from a business? Of COURSE everything it does is in hopes to maximize its profits either now or later down the road...
 
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