Sony one time put root kit stuff on their discs. If Sony loved gamers so much and didn't care about money, why did they have to put multiplayer behind a pay wall. If you guessed it's because they want money, then you are right. Face the facts, none of these companies personally give a shit about you, they just want to market their stuff to you in a way that makes you feel warm and fuzzy so you go and spend money on their products.yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS
yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS
Sony one time put root kit stuff on their discs. If Sony loved gamers so much and didn't care about money, why did they have to put multiplayer behind a pay wall. If you guessed it's because they want money, then you are right. Face the facts, none of these companies personally give a shit about you, they just want to market their stuff to you in a way that makes you feel warm and fuzzy so you go and spend money on their products.
I wish you guys would stop responding (and quoting) this nonsensical troll already. He has proven he knows nothing about economics, business, and Valve / Sony.
He made his account today. All his posts are in this thread. (Just a guess, but I'm fairly certain). He is a troll.
You're right, and I will do like you said. It just gets old listening to morons talk about how one company doesn't give a shit about their customers while another does, just because their marketing has been better.I wish you guys would stop responding (and quoting) this nonsensical troll already. He has proven he knows nothing about economics, business, and Valve / Sony.
He made his account today. All his posts are in this thread. (Just a guess, but I'm fairly certain). He is a troll.
You're right, and I will do like you said. It just gets old listening to morons talk about how one company doesn't give a shit about their customers while another does, just because their marketing has been better.
It's product tying. The whole point of a console is to offer better value for money than PC gaming. Kinect is unnecessary and shouldn't be forced. If i don't need to have it plugged in, why should i be forced to buy it? Also, most real gamers know it can never truly work for proper games. I'm really disappointed with Micro$oft. Most gamers don't want to shout at their TV or wave their arms around, they want to play games!
I've been loyal to MS and use their products. Windows, Xbox 360, Xbox Live, Outlook, SkyDrive, Windows Phone etc. But i think a lot of people have felt betrayed. The Xbone is selling out because of low supply rather than high demand. It's also a substitute for the PS4; which is in greater demand due to its lower price but better hardware, PS Plus, F2P games etc.
Xbox One is clearly aimed at the US market, not globally. Kinect only works well with a selection of languages and dialects. My point is, Xbone is clearly a work in progress, and even MS themselves are struggling. Everyone seems to have forgotten about what happened earlier this year. It's a rushed product with future potential, but i think that's why it's selling so well; for what it COULD be rather than what it can offer now
yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS
All these posts read like someone read the anti-MS troll handbook and went straight down the numbers in it. I have to admit, I find this crap really funny, nothing at all to do with reality or much of anything other than some troll attempting to bait the Pro-MS crowd into a go. I really want to know if this is someone's second account or someone who was banned
Exactly. You still buy it even if you don't explicitly WANT Kinect; thus paying a higher price than you need to. MS taking full advantage because they will still sell all their units produced. In the long run, they'd benefit from Kinectless Xbone. But in my view, MS doesn't really care about its fans, it just wants to maximize profit at any cost.
This is why I'm not going digital. At least with the disc I can sell it or trade games with a friend to try other stuff out. The only thing I am missing out on is being able to sit on my couch and switch out games, but that isn't worth it to me.One thing that really annoys me this gen on both systems is how expensive digital game downloads are... Not sure how it is in the US but here in NZ currently on both PS4 and XBO digital game purchases are more expensive than walking down to a shop and buying the retail disc by about 20%. Digital should be 70% the cost of retail IMO.
One thing that really annoys me this gen on both systems is how expensive digital game downloads are... Not sure how it is in the US but here in NZ currently on both PS4 and XBO digital game purchases are more expensive than walking down to a shop and buying the retail disc by about 20%. Digital should be 70% the cost of retail IMO.
yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS
If MS really didn't care, they wouldn't have reversed the DRM/no used games/no game trading stuff they originally intended to have.
This is why I'm not going digital. At least with the disc I can sell it or trade games with a friend to try other stuff out. The only thing I am missing out on is being able to sit on my couch and switch out games, but that isn't worth it to me.
In the US, digital games cost the same as retail and when a retail game gets a price drop the same is not always true of the digital version.
Heh...Valve achieved success by forcing you to use their online DRM to play Half-Life 2. Then they persuaded companies to release their games through that service. Basically if you wanted to play their highly anticipated game you were forced to use Steam and it was terrible at that time. They've had almost a decade to update it since then and it works well. That doesn't mean they are doing anything because they care. Why do you think they are doing a steamOS? It's because they want to control everything about game distribution in their own ecosystem, not because they care about gamers. They want to abandon DirectX. How is that good for gamers when almost every game out there uses DirectX? They are afraid Microsoft will offer competition through Windows 8 so they fear monger about it and troll the internet telling everyone MS is evil. I for one do not buy into that crap.
On the whole Kinect thing, if they remove it...you will lose a lot of features. The system won't turn on all your electronics, you couldn't mute your TV through the xbox system, you couldn't auto log on to Xbox Live (it doesn't work without it), you couldn't scan QR codes to redeem special content and stuff through the store and with no keyboard support it would be painful having to enter multiple codes that are 24 characters long.
They did that because nobody would have bought it otherwise. If it was up to MS, they would have kept it.
You make a good point. But Valve promote multi-platform games. SteamOS is basically to persuade people away from Microsoft's API to open source, but tbh that's not a bad thing. Microsoft abuses its market power far more imo
Oh, I agree 100%. The gaming landscape will change with our without our approval. People are quick to say that MS won't do sales like steam does, but we won't know until we get that digital console.Yeah but with MS's original plan for the XBO both game trading and second hand selling of digital games were available. It was the people crying foul at not having physical copies that keep the digital prices high imo. A 100% digital world would be so much better for gamers just not for the retail outlets.
Nobody? There are people right on this forum who were going to get one, even way back in June. On other forums there are hundreds of posts from back in June with people defending it and with real interest in the XB1 system even with the stuff I disliked and am glad was removed.
The numbers as far as pre-orders weren't doing as well as PS4 but it was still going to sell. Dont kid yourself.