The Official Xbox One Thread

[cmdrdredd]

Oh, I agree 100%. The gaming landscape will change with our without our approval. People are quick to say that MS won't do sales like steam does, but we won't know until we get that digital console.

It's my opinion that competition drives sales. With no competition there is no incentive to offer sales. Steam has competiion from Origin, Amazon, retail stores etc. MS doesn't at the moment. Amazon recently added a PSN store to their site and I believe it won't be long before they have an Xbox Live store, where you buy a download code from them. I imagine they would even let you print a QR code to scan on your kinect too so you wouldn't have to enter the code manually.

Unless there is some price lock, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility for amazon to do sales on PSN games.

 

[American Gunner]

It's my opinion that competition drives sales. With no competition there is no incentive to offer sales. Steam has competiion from Origin, Amazon, retail stores etc. MS doesn't at the moment. Amazon recently added a PSN store to their site and I believe it won't be long before they have an Xbox Live store, where you buy a download code from them. I imagine they would even let you print a QR code to scan on your kinect too so you wouldn't have to enter the code manually.

Unless there is some price lock, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility for amazon to do sales on PSN games.

I would be willing to bet that as we moved to the digital age on console gaming, most retailers would move into that space. People were too quick to judge MS after their reveal. We saw a company that wanted to change our industry, and jumped on it as purely negative. Sure they could have done a better job of laying everything out for us, but a lot of gamers just freaked out. It seems like we want all the positives of digital, but expect to have anything negative removed. Gamers are willing to accept DRM with steam, but don't even want to give MS a chance to see if they would have sales or deals like valve does.

 

[Topweasel]

You make a good point. But Valve promote multi-platform games. SteamOS is basically to persuade people away from Microsoft's API to open source, but tbh that's not a bad thing. Microsoft abuses its market power far more imo

That actually had little to do with why Valve is pushing to get people to use SteamOS. Windows now has an active storefront. One that can be used to publish full games. Valve didn't like it because the "Start" desktop wouldn't make the fact that Steam is running apparent and as Microsoft got more people to use more modern UI in their programs people going to "desktop" would be less and less. Meaning they saw a decreasing Mindshare and a shift (bad one) happening in the use pattern of Steam and Steam Users.

Hell Gabe Newell is one of the people most responsible for Direct X.

 

[smackababy]

It's my opinion that competition drives sales. With no competition there is no incentive to offer sales. Steam has competiion from Origin, Amazon, retail stores etc. MS doesn't at the moment. Amazon recently added a PSN store to their site and I believe it won't be long before they have an Xbox Live store, where you buy a download code from them. I imagine they would even let you print a QR code to scan on your kinect too so you wouldn't have to enter the code manually.

Unless there is some price lock, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility for amazon to do sales on PSN games.

And this is why I don't think DD means the death of traditional stores. GameStops and BestBuys can still sell games, just rather than actual games, they sell QR codes for them. It wouldn't surprise me if the Xbox SmartGlass app had a QR code scanner and you could preload the game after scanning the code at the store for when you get home. Wouldn't that be amazing? Buy the code, scan it, Xbox One automatically starts downloading and installing it while you drive home.

And with that kind of availability, stores could offer sales (or MS digitally could offer sales).

We only assume they won't have Steam sales, when we don't know. In fact, Steam sales are rather new to the Steam platform. I can't find any talk of the kind of sales they have now before 2010 with a quick search the other day. Perhaps '09 had one, but I don't recall it. I've had Steam since HL2 forced me to.

 

[American Gunner]

That actually had little to do with why Valve is pushing to get people to use SteamOS. Windows now has an active storefront. One that can be used to publish full games. Valve didn't like it because the "Start" desktop wouldn't make the fact that Steam is running apparent and as Microsoft got more people to use more modern UI in their programs people going to "desktop" would be less and less. Meaning they saw a decreasing Mindshare and a shift (bad one) happening in the use pattern of Steam and Steam Users.

Hell Gabe Newell is one of the people most responsible for Direct X.

Nope, you're wrong. It's because MS is evil and all they do is think of ways to screw people over. Come back when you are going for an econ degree, then we will take you seriously.

/sarcasm

 

[cmdrdredd]

I would be willing to bet that as we moved to the digital age on console gaming, most retailers would move into that space. People were too quick to judge MS after their reveal. We saw a company that wanted to change our industry, and jumped on it as purely negative. Sure they could have done a better job of laying everything out for us, but a lot of gamers just freaked out. It seems like we want all the positives of digital, but expect to have anything negative removed. Gamers are willing to accept DRM with steam, but don't even want to give MS a chance to see if they would have sales or deals like valve does.

Console gaming has always been more friendly as far as getting people into it. I mean, being able to borrow and rent games made it so that you could experience the game without the prohibitive price (for a kid with very little pocket money). I remember borrowing games from my friends when I first got an NES (they already had one). I remember letting my friend borrow games and I'd borrow one of his. I still let my friend borrow some games, and I borrow some of the ones he buys that I never tried. I never had the same experience on the PC. With codes that you have to register online etc. It's a little prohibitive.

I don't want to lose this as it's part of the whole gaming experience to me. If I could somehow loan a digital game to someone and take it back when they are done, I'd be for that. Say if I could transfer the rights to play it to them for a week and then it expires. That might be something I could accept. Trading games is also a big part of my gaming habits. Especially so if I finish a game quickly and won't touch it again, being able to recoup $40 for that title and purchase a new game is something I appreciate.

 

[American Gunner]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Xbox SmartGlass app had a QR code scanner and you could preload the game after scanning the code at the store for when you get home. Wouldn't that be amazing? Buy the code, scan it, Xbox One automatically starts downloading and installing it while you drive home.

And with that kind of availability, stores could offer sales (or MS digitally could offer sales).

We only assume they won't have Steam sales, when we don't know. In fact, Steam sales are rather new to the Steam platform. I can't find any talk of the kind of sales they have now before 2010 with a quick search the other day. Perhaps '09 had one, but I don't recall it. I've had Steam since HL2 forced me to.

That would be an awesome feature in the future of the console. The rest of the post sounds a lot like what I was saying above too, you just went a little more in depth by looking up steam sales.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

That actually had little to do with why Valve is pushing to get people to use SteamOS. Windows now has an active storefront. One that can be used to publish full games. Valve didn't like it because the "Start" desktop wouldn't make the fact that Steam is running apparent and as Microsoft got more people to use more modern UI in their programs people going to "desktop" would be less and less. Meaning they saw a decreasing Mindshare and a shift (bad one) happening in the use pattern of Steam and Steam Users.

Hell Gabe Newell is one of the people most responsible for Direct X.

Valve hates Microsoft, we know that. But MS doesn't care about PC gamers. They could have competed with Steam if they really tried and updated GFWL. But it's evident that their gaming division is solely focused on Xbox, and when all these game engines and code libraries are built around Microsoft's API, it would be almost frightening to think how MS could abuse this power like they were originally going to do with Xbone

 

[smackababy]

That actually had little to do with why Valve is pushing to get people to use SteamOS. Windows now has an active storefront. One that can be used to publish full games. Valve didn't like it because the "Start" desktop wouldn't make the fact that Steam is running apparent and as Microsoft got more people to use more modern UI in their programs people going to "desktop" would be less and less. Meaning they saw a decreasing Mindshare and a shift (bad one) happening in the use pattern of Steam and Steam Users.

Hell Gabe Newell is one of the people most responsible for Direct X.

DX's inception was necessary, as MS was going away from the direct to hardware model and with the abstraction layer they added, a way to still access hardware and make games was needed. AMD is trying to "combat" that with a slightly smaller abstraction layer for specific hardware, where MS took a more "if it will run Windows and DX version X; it will run this game" approach that DOS was missing.

The fact that Gabe Newell has been vocal about Windows 8 "sucking" with his reasons initially being they were locking out side loading of apps (which would eliminate Windows entire enterprise customers) and when that didn't happen, he never said anything about it is telling of his position and worry over Steam not being the dominant digital distributor in the future. Valve needs Steam to stay profitable, otherwise they fail as a company. They don't develop anything other than hats anymore.

 

[American Gunner]

Console gaming has always been more friendly as far as getting people into it. I mean, being able to borrow and rent games made it so that you could experience the game without the prohibitive price (for a kid with very little pocket money). I remember borrowing games from my friends when I first got an NES (they already had one). I remember letting my friend borrow games and I'd borrow one of his. I still let my friend borrow some games, and I borrow some of the ones he buys that I never tried. I never had the same experience on the PC. With codes that you have to register online etc. It's a little prohibitive.

I don't want to lose this.

And no one said we would have to lose this for good. It would be awesome for MS to have a rental program built into their store. Let me rent a game for a weekend at a fraction of the cost. MS and the devs split the money, and then if I end up loving the game I can buy it. If not, then they at least see some money from my play through. Especially if it was a game I was on the fence about. Now they get some money, instead of me waiting for it to be a cheap used game where they see none of it.

 

[Topweasel]

It only allows me to save 5 min when I do an end here. Do you mean to say the only way to record longer is to manually start it and end it? When I first tried it to show my friend what killer instinct was (he has a ps4), I tried starting a recording before a match but it didn't seem to do anything. Do I have to start it and then unsnap the game DVR app? I did not try that. They don't make it very clear to me.

I will say that I prefer how the ps4 does it. It records the last 15min and I can grab and trim it as I need. I dont have to tell it to start or end. It seems easier that way for me rather than having to remember to start a recording.


Maybe its me but I think the smaller thumb pads and taller sticks feel weird and I would prefer they had just kept the sticks from the 360 entirely. There are sharper angles on the controller though and that is what you are feeling and to me is the most apparent change when you first hold it since the 360 was much more rounded off. I am used to it now and can do everything with any game just fine. I dont necessarily prefer all the changes but since it is what we have, I am going to just have to accept it and play the games.

Without testing it at home (at work) I did try to look around and see what I can uncover with a quick google check and I might be wrong. I think 5 minutes is the limit of a record even if you manually start it and it's the limit of even a multi-video clip you try to upload.

This probably the system (game capture) that MS is farthest from getting right. As much as "record that" is great everything else is waay to limiting compared to Sony's options. Even Record that should probably have a user customized time frame and It would be great if Madden didn't record every freaken score and turnover.

 

[smackababy]

So, is anyone following the XBL and PSN stuff being removed from the old marketplaces? Specifically, SF4 and UMVC is being removed (and currently is discounted) from both XBL and PSN.

I think Capcom is ready (or close to) releasing a next gen port of these titles and that is their reasoning. It wouldn't surprise me (and it would be welcomed in my eyes, so I can disconnect my Xbox 360 completely).

 

[cmdrdredd]

And no one said we would have to lose this for good. It would be awesome for MS to have a rental program built into their store. Let me rent a game for a weekend at a fraction of the cost. MS and the devs split the money, and then if I end up loving the game I can buy it. If not, then they at least see some money from my play through. Especially if it was a game I was on the fence about. Now they get some money, instead of me waiting for it to be a cheap used game where they see none of it.

Sony does this as full game trial. You get the whole game and can play it with a time limit. If they would charge $10 to have it for 48 hours, that'd be cool and if I want it I can pay the difference to unlock it permanately. Then they wouldn't need game demos. Especially when some of the demos are using code that is months and months old that doesn't represent the actual game.

So, is anyone following the XBL and PSN stuff being removed from the old marketplaces? Specifically, SF4 and UMVC is being removed (and currently is discounted) from both XBL and PSN.

I think Capcom is ready (or close to) releasing a next gen port of these titles and that is their reasoning. It wouldn't surprise me (and it would be welcomed in my eyes, so I can disconnect my Xbox 360 completely).

I saw it was discounted but didn't know it was being removed. That's news to me. I'll keep an eye on the news wires about potential next gen release.

 

[smackababy]

It would be great if Madden didn't record every freaken score and turnover.

I had to turn if off. A 1 yard TD run isn't something spectacular and recording worthy. Me throwing a pick and it being return 80 yards for a TD is also something I don't want a record of...

 

[Topweasel]

Valve hates Microsoft, we know that. But MS doesn't care about PC gamers. They could have competed with Steam if they really tried and updated GFWL. But it's evident that their gaming division is solely focused on Xbox, and when all these game engines and code libraries are built around Microsoft's API, it would be almost frightening to think how MS could abuse this power like they were originally going to do with Xbone

Abusing power? Have you actually read any of the stuff that MS was talking about previous to Xbone180? It was a very very very loose version of what Steam is doing now.

The problem with all digital is that by definition and because of people's desires to get something for nothing it was always going to be a nightmare to get right. They honestly came very close and I think a little more work on it instead of the 180 and it would have been good enough. But a lot people wouldn't have been happy unless they could pop a thumb drive in and be able to copy the game to it and hand it to their friends with no calls home. But group libraries, digital lending, and limitless moving profiles ala Steam was a fantastic step in the right direction. It just wasn't enough and other restriction including calling home consistently, made it too big of a risk.

They weren't ready and we weren't ready for a digital only gaming environment. Steam wins in this case because the people still gaming on PC's know enough on how to work the system and work within the system when needed. Price matters as well, Skyrim for $10 6 months after it's release is worth tying it to a single account, $60 1.5 years later isn't.

 

[Topweasel]

I had to turn if off. A 1 yard TD run isn't something spectacular and recording worthy. Me throwing a pick and it being return 80 yards for a TD is also something I don't want a record of...

True dat, though if Madden was being as spiteful as it seems to want to be when recording that you would think it would take that video, splice in the kinect feed from you at the time and upload it to youtube and then tell you only after its done.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

Abusing power? Have you actually read any of the stuff that MS was talking about previous to Xbone180? It was a very very very loose version of what Steam is doing now.

The problem with all digital is that by definition and because of people's desires to get something for nothing it was always going to be a nightmare to get right. They honestly came very close and I think a little more work on it instead of the 180 and it would have been good enough. But a lot people wouldn't have been happy unless they could pop a thumb drive in and be able to copy the game to it and hand it to their friends with no calls home. But group libraries, digital lending, and limitless moving profiles ala Steam was a fantastic step in the right direction. It just wasn't enough and other restriction including calling home consistently, made it too big of a risk.

They weren't ready and we weren't ready for a digital only gaming environment. Steam wins in this case because the people still gaming on PC's know enough on how to work the system and work within the system when needed. Price matters as well, Skyrim for $10 6 months after it's release is worth tying it to a single account, $60 1.5 years later isn't.

i am in complete agreement. Console gamers want physical copies even at a higher cost due to tradition i suppose. But the way Microsoft put it across, it all seemed very dodgy. I for one don't even know why the Xbox One has a BD drive! All digital would have been great IF it was like Steam; where you can play offline without having a camera plugged in!

 

[smackababy]

I saw it was discounted but didn't know it was being removed. That's news to me. I'll keep an eye on the news wires about potential next gen release.

After a search, it is only Marvel vs Capcom games being removed, along with their DLC (this includes MvC2). My speculation is they are porting it.

 

[Topweasel]

i am in complete agreement. Console gamers want physical copies even at a higher cost due to tradition i suppose. But the way Microsoft put it across, it all seemed very dodgy. I for one don't even know why the Xbox One has a BD drive! All digital would have been great IF it was like Steam; where you can play offline without having a camera plugged in!

It wouldn't be a very good all master of your TV entertainment if it couldn't play DVD's and BD's.

You don't have to have the Kinect plugged in. People need to stop thinking of Kinect as some unneeded side perrif that MS randomly threw in to increase the price of the Xbox. It's as important to the console in MS's eyes as at least 1 controller. It's that easy. I know why MS allowed it to be unplugged and it was smart with all the "NSA Spy Cam" kiddies rolling around. But really it's an important piece of the system and will only become more ingrained into how we play and use the system from this point out. It's doubtful that MS ever completely pulls it out and if they do it will be in 3-4 years with an "Arcade" style system with a small 2-3 game HDD and no Kinect that will get people to purchase it and then almost immediately go out and get an external drive and a new Kinect.

You want an Xbone with out a Kinect. I am warning you that it's the last thing you will actually want once you have it.

 

[American Gunner]

I'm one of those people that railed MS for kinect, hated and fought it every step of the way. But now that I have my XB1, I couldn't see using it without one. It is so easy to use. I do laugh at the people that say they don't want to yell at their tv, when as long as you calibrate it right all you have to do is talk in a normal voice.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

It wouldn't be a very good all master of your TV entertainment if it couldn't play DVD's and BD's.

You don't have to have the Kinect plugged in. People need to stop thinking of Kinect as some unneeded side perrif that MS randomly threw in to increase the price of the Xbox. It's as important to the console in MS's eyes as at least 1 controller. It's that easy. I know why MS allowed it to be unplugged and it was smart with all the "NSA Spy Cam" kiddies rolling around. But really it's an important piece of the system and will only become more ingrained into how we play and use the system from this point out. It's doubtful that MS ever completely pulls it out and if they do it will be in 3-4 years with an "Arcade" style system with a small 2-3 game HDD and no Kinect that will get people to purchase it and then almost immediately go out and get an external drive and a new Kinect.

You want an Xbone with out a Kinect. I am warning you that it's the last thing you will actually want once you have it.

So you're saying that MS forced it on people because once they try it, they will enjoy using it? What about space requirements, not wanting to wake others up in your house by shouting at your TV etc.? Then the Xbone is not for me?

 

[magomago]

Sony does this as full game trial. You get the whole game and can play it with a time limit. If they would charge $10 to have it for 48 hours, that'd be cool and if I want it I can pay the difference to unlock it permanately. Then they wouldn't need game demos. Especially when some of the demos are using code that is months and months old that doesn't represent the actual game.



I saw it was discounted but didn't know it was being removed. That's news to me. I'll keep an eye on the news wires about potential next gen release.

10 dollars for 48 hours is a HORRIBLE trade imo. Beyond the fact that people would probably try to fiend games in 2 days that can be fiended, you are paying about 20% of the game's cost for just weekend access.

Give me game demos which are free ANY DAY.

Sony's idea of full access with a time limit isn't that bad either, although it isn't for me; For most games, it should only take 1 hour to figure out if you are interested or not.

 

[American Gunner]

So you're saying that MS forced it on people because once they try it, they will enjoy using it? What about space requirements, not wanting to wake others up in your house by shouting at your TV etc.? Then the Xbone is not for me?

Yup, it's not for you so you can go ahead and remove yourself from the thread.

 

[EightySix Four]

Yup, it's not for you so you can go ahead and remove yourself from the thread.

:thumbsup: I'm all for criticism that makes sense and hasn't been rehashed since it was announced. If you don't like Kinect then buy a PS4, it really is simple.

Some legitimate criticisms:
The party system is terribly broken compared to Xbox 360.
The TV app is too dark.
The Kinect voice recognition needs to be 10-20% more accurate.
The XBL requirement for Netflix and other services (doesn't bother me but I perceive it as a legit complaint).
The missed smartglass opportunity with the TV app.
The need to use DLNA push instead of just browsing for media.

Some illegitimate criticisms:
The power supply being "too big."
The Xbox One being "too big."
The Kinect being bundled with the console. As far as Microsoft is concerned, it isn't a complete console without it.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

This might seem weird but I WANT to want an Xbox One, but can't justify it.