The Official Xbox One Thread

[smackababy]

How could they stop them? The settop box has an hdmi output that the x1 can use as an input. Wouldn't that be akin to the TV stations in the past trying to prevent the widespread acceptance of the VCR?

Yes, it would be similar. However, now the cable companies are much stronger (this is only a guess on my part though). They won't let MS (or any other company) record content from their service without a fight. And, even if the Xbox One could function as such, it wouldn't really be nearly as good as a traditional DVR. You couldn't record something while you watch someone else, nor could you schedule it to record a certain show every week.


MS' best bet is to get the cable providers (at least the major ones) on board to let the Xbox One function as a cable box for IPTV or take over the functionality of an existing one completely.

 

[Wingznut]

How could they stop them? The settop box has an hdmi output that the x1 can use as an input. Wouldn't that be akin to the TV stations in the past trying to prevent the widespread acceptance of the VCR?

Oh, just be a DVR only, and not a tuner... I don't see the advantage.
First off, the Xbox One only has a 500gb HD. Much of that is taken up by OS, and then games. I certainly would not want to lose more space to TV content.
Second, the tuner (and Xbox One) would have to be on when the content is recorded. So, to take advantage of season pass recordings, both would essentially have to be on 24/7. And you couldn't record multiple shows at once.
Third, if you aren't replacing the cable/sat box... What's the advantage? Perhaps to save the $5 (or whatever) DVR fee from the provider?

EDIT: If they could do it without the provider's permission, the least it would do is sour MS's relationship with them. For this cost, I'm not sure what MS would get out of it.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Yes, it would be similar. However, now the cable companies are much stronger (this is only a guess on my part though). They won't let MS (or any other company) record content from their service without a fight.

Ok, yes, I could see that they would probably attempt to prevent it legally. I guess I meant more how could they prevent it technically.

And, even if the Xbox One could function as such, it wouldn't really be nearly as good as a traditional DVR. You couldn't record something while you watch someone else, nor could you schedule it to record a certain show every week.

Yes, with only a single tuner they could only record what was currently being watched. But, the software to record a certain show every week seems straightforward technically. Search the one guide for all shows that match X criteria, tune to the channel at the designated time and then record.

MS' best bet is to get the cable providers (at least the major ones) on board to let the Xbox One function as a cable box for IPTV or take over the functionality of an existing one completely.

Yes, I agree this would be ideal.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Oh, just be a DVR only, and not a tuner... I don't see the advantage.

First off, the Xbox One only has a 500gb HD. Much of that is taken up by OS, and then games. I certainly would not want to lose more space to TV content.

Yeah, I guess it would probably only be for extreme outliers like people who want extra DVR capacity (like their settop box DVRs are full of Disney channel shows and The Bachelor, not that I know anyone who fits into that category specifically or anything ).

Second, the tuner (and Xbox One) would have to be on when the content is recorded. So, to take advantage of season pass recordings, both would essentially have to be on 24/7. And you couldn't record multiple shows at once.

That's true. It would be pretty annoying to have to be on all the time. I forgot about that requirement. This would most likely be the biggest issue with a DVR app, IMO.

Although, the x1 would have separate IR codes for the TV and for the settop box. So, in theory, it would be able to turn the settop box on but leave the TV off and then tune to the station and record the output. The problem with this though is that if the TV/settop box are already on, it would end up turning off the settop box. It would therefore require more intelligent On/Off functionality than currently present.

Third, if you aren't replacing the cable/sat box... What's the advantage? Perhaps to save the $5 (or whatever) DVR fee from the provider?

Hey, Mr. Money-bags, $5 adds up

EDIT: If they could do it without the provider's permission, the least it would do is sour MS's relationship with them. For this cost, I'm not sure what MS would get out of it.

I guess they could spin it as a "supplemental" DVR offering.

 

[EightySix Four]

Ok, so then it would take over the entire functionality of the settop box? ie - remove the need for a settop box entirely?

Yes, you could use an Xbox 360 as a replacement U-Verse set-top box. If you could do the same with the One, considering the fast switching and such, that'd be pretty amazing.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Yes, you could use an Xbox 360 as a replacement U-Verse set-top box. If you could do the same with the One, considering the fast switching and such, that'd be pretty amazing.

That would be awesome.

 

[blurredvision]

purbeast i used an active USB extension cable with the original Kinect, 50ft (from monoprice) after reading a lot of people used it with the Kinect - it worked fine.

The Kinect 2 has a funky connector though, a big square with a notch in the corner. The first Kinect could be used via regular USB but Kinect 2 doesn't have that luxury. A Kinect 2 extension cable will have to be explicitly made.

 

[purbeast0]

The Kinect 2 has a funky connector though, a big square with a notch in the corner. The first Kinect could be used via regular USB but Kinect 2 doesn't have that luxury. A Kinect 2 extension cable will have to be explicitly made.

Yeah and I can't just splice a wire in because it might need some sort of extender after a certain length like a USB cord does.

 

[EightySix Four]

According to Chipworks the Kinect cable is a special bus that runs straight to the Southbridge in the console. I'd be curious if an extender even works since latency is such a big deal.

 

[Aikouka]

With the X1's current design, it would be a terrible DVR. The problem is that you're stuck recording whatever your source is displaying. This means that you can only record one thing at a time in a day and age where people have 4+ tuners for recording, and any sort of status window that comes up from the source will appear in your recording.

Yeah... I think I'll keep my six networked tuners.

 

[EightySix Four]

With the X1's current design, it would be a terrible DVR. The problem is that you're stuck recording whatever your source is displaying. This means that you can only record one thing at a time in a day and age where people have 4+ tuners for recording, and any sort of status window that comes up from the source will appear in your recording.

Yeah... I think I'll keep my six networked tuners.

That wouldn't be the case if it were an IPTV box.

 

[Drako]

I'm pretty sure that the Kinect 2 cable is essentially USB 3.0 with an extra power wire(s) because the Kinect 2 uses more power than the USB standard supports.

I'm pretty sure someone will come out with an extension cable in the next couple of months.

edit: Looks like Monoprice is working on it.

https://twitter.com/monoprice/status/407975904430678016

 

[EightySix Four]

I'm pretty sure that the Kinect 2 cable is essentially USB 3.0 with an extra power wire(s) because the Kinect 2 uses more power than the USB standard supports.

I'm pretty sure someone will come out with an extension cable in the next couple of months.

edit: Looks like Monoprice is working on it.

https://twitter.com/monoprice/status/407975904430678016

AFAIK it doesn't have a USB controller in it, so it would be hard for it to be USB

 

[ImpulsE69]

With the X1's current design, it would be a terrible DVR. The problem is that you're stuck recording whatever your source is displaying. This means that you can only record one thing at a time in a day and age where people have 4+ tuners for recording, and any sort of status window that comes up from the source will appear in your recording.

Yeah... I think I'll keep my six networked tuners.

You are going about it all wrong. You are supposed to buy 6 Xboxes.

 

[Drako]

AFAIK it doesn't have a USB controller in it, so it would be hard for it to be USB

LOL, so you think that it's some proprietary standard or something

You're probably right, Microsoft is known for developing high speed interface technologies.

 

[Drako]

AFAIK it doesn't have a USB controller in it, so it would be hard for it to be USB

Oh, and it has 3x USB 3.0 ports on the back, so ...

 

[purbeast0]

finished ryse earlier. sad that it ended. i think the last 2 chapters in the game are the best in the game. i pretty much executed every single enemy in the game, and i never once got tired of it. i might play through it again on the hardest difficulty too.

 

[Arkaign]

Oh, and it has 3x USB 3.0 ports on the back, so ...

It would be cool if it turned out to be a variant of thunderbolt.

 

[Drako]

It would be cool if it turned out to be a variant of thunderbolt.

Have you looked at the connector? It's basically USB 3 signals with an extra power pin for the 12 volts needed to drive the IR array.

 

[Arkaign]

Have you looked at the connector? It's basically USB 3 signals with an extra power pin for the 12 volts needed to drive the IR array.

Damn yeah, guess that would be unrealistic given that it's running an AMD setup in there. Brain lapse lol

 

[Drako]

Damn yeah, guess that would be unrealistic given that it's running an AMD setup in there. Brain lapse lol

Well, there is the AMD thing too

 

[007ELmO]

monoprice made the original extension cable, although simpler since it was an active usb2 cable, nobody else had it out at the time. it was powered and the adapter at the end had a power plug.

 

[blurredvision]

finished ryse earlier. sad that it ended. i think the last 2 chapters in the game are the best in the game. i pretty much executed every single enemy in the game, and i never once got tired of it. i might play through it again on the hardest difficulty too.

I executed everyone that I could, too, simply because it stops all attacks on you and gives you a second to breathe and somewhat reset the fight.

 

[EightySix Four]

Oh, and it has 3x USB 3.0 ports on the back, so ...

Uh, I was talking about on the Kinect controller board itself...

 

[Drako]

Uh, I was talking about on the Kinect controller board itself...

LOL, so what interface does it use?