The Official Xbox One Thread

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cmdrdredd

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Even if they hadn't reversed their DRM decision, I don't think it would have such a negative effect as everyone on forums seems to think. Look at the Boycott Modern Warfare 2 garbage people were all up in arms over. Well, they all bought it anyway. People on the internet are quick to get behind something, but rarely follow through.

I am just glad I can get all my games digital . It is so nice to never have to use a disk. Except for the Special Edition of Forza...

It cannot be proven that everyone who said they would boycott MW2 gave in. For all we know it could have sold millions more.

It is impossible to prove the impact in either case.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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It cannot be proven that everyone who said they would boycott MW2 gave in. For all we know it could have sold millions more.

It is impossible to prove the impact in either case.

I do know that quite a few people who joined the "boycott MW2" Steam group were playing MW2 on release day. So, I think it can be proven that most of the internet is a bunch of whiners with no conviction. How many people come out every year talking about how much COD sucks? And how much does it sell? If you looked at how many people hate it, you'd think it would be a flop. Yet, every year, it is one of the top selling games.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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I do know that quite a few people who joined the "boycott MW2" Steam group were playing MW2 on release day. So, I think it can be proven that most of the internet is a bunch of whiners with no conviction. How many people come out every year talking about how much COD sucks? And how much does it sell? If you looked at how many people hate it, you'd think it would be a flop. Yet, every year, it is one of the top selling games.

well that goes back to my point d up above.
 

Lil Frier

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Well once they reversed the DRM decision a lot of people jumped on board because of their experience with the Xbox brand and the exclusives they know were going to be there forza, killer instinct, halo etc.

What's kind-of funny about this statement is that of the 3 franchises you named, the 2 that are actually out on the One are filled with the thing people are complaining about most with this new generation--microtransactions. Like Forza, it's one of the exclusives, IMO, but the way they handled Forza 5 has turned me off to the franchise as a whole. As it stands, I'll never buy another Forza game ever again, because they made SUCH a joke of themselves.
 

vshah

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What's kind-of funny about this statement is that of the 3 franchises you named, the 2 that are actually out on the One are filled with the thing people are complaining about most with this new generation--microtransactions. Like Forza, it's one of the exclusives, IMO, but the way they handled Forza 5 has turned me off to the franchise as a whole. As it stands, I'll never buy another Forza game ever again, because they made SUCH a joke of themselves.

Forza 5 is great, it's your loss.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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What's kind-of funny about this statement is that of the 3 franchises you named, the 2 that are actually out on the One are filled with the thing people are complaining about most with this new generation--microtransactions. Like Forza, it's one of the exclusives, IMO, but the way they handled Forza 5 has turned me off to the franchise as a whole. As it stands, I'll never buy another Forza game ever again, because they made SUCH a joke of themselves.

Killer instinct has no micro transactions. You misuse the word like most of the internet.

Maybe you should look up a little company called zynga and fins out what real micro transactions are. Optional dlc is not anywhere close yo being the same thing.
 
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Wingznut

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I still have a really hard time understanding the hate directed at Forza... Every driving game worth playing, ever, has been a grind to get the cars you want.
Like much of the "hate" on the Internet, it's just people who read something and then parrot the negativity. The vast majority of those complaining never had any intent on buying the game in the first place.
 

digiram

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I still have a really hard time understanding the hate directed at Forza... Every driving game worth playing, ever, has been a grind to get the cars you want.

Seriously.. just b/c you can buy cars, vc in 2ba2k, ah items in d3... does not mean you have to. The option is available for people that would rather grind at work, and get access to the items instantly if they want. For me, grinding is part of the fun. Earning something, makes me come back. Like the guilie suit in ghost right now. I hate sniping, but I want them.. so I gotta grind with the usr to get it.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Seriously.. just b/c you can buy cars, vc in 2ba2k, ah items in d3... does not mean you have to. The option is available for people that would rather grind at work, and get access to the items instantly if they want. For me, grinding is part of the fun. Earning something, makes me come back. Like the guilie suit in ghost right now. I hate sniping, but I want them.. so I gotta grind with the usr to get it.

but it's not cool to hate on those games, because they aren't microsoft first party games.
 

American Gunner

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I will say that I am a huge Forza fan, but the lack of tracks is the only thing that is dragging 5 in my eyes. I'm tired of seeing the same tracks. I also think it's poor design when you go to do bonus races after completing the series and you are racing on the tracks that you already did in the same series. That's my only gripe with it.
 

Lil Frier

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I will say that I am a huge Forza fan, but the lack of tracks is the only thing that is dragging 5 in my eyes. I'm tired of seeing the same tracks. I also think it's poor design when you go to do bonus races after completing the series and you are racing on the tracks that you already did in the same series. That's my only gripe with it.

At least you get it, I guess.

The idea that I have to go spend $60, but I'll get less than half of the predecessor's content, annoys the hell out of me. Yeah, I hate the idea of buying cars with real money, but I could overlook that.

However, when the car count drops from 500 to 200, and the track count goes from about 30 to 15, yet the price is the same, it sucks. Then you add in how the cut graphical quality from E3 to launch, and it gets worse. I like the Drivatar things and all, but as a whole, I feel like Forza 5 is overall a step backwards for the franchise, from Forza 4.

I have taken a long break (3 months or so) off from the all-Gold Achievement hunt in Forza 4, because after about a month of heavily play, I just got bored with the redundancy of the tracks, and even the cars.

As for the people acting like the new economy (I guess they're too big to really be "microtransactions") isn't a mess, there's a reason Turn 10 had to, what, halve the costs of the cars?
 

American Gunner

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While the car count dropping sucks, it doesn't seem like a huge deal to me since they don't give you reward cars after finishing a series. I'm not going to debate whether that is a good or bad thing. I will just say that I don't think I could ever write off Forza all together, because there pretty much isn't any SIM racer that comes close to it in my book.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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While the car count dropping sucks, it doesn't seem like a huge deal to me since they don't give you reward cars after finishing a series. I'm not going to debate whether that is a good or bad thing. I will just say that I don't think I could ever write off Forza all together, because there pretty much isn't any SIM racer that comes close to it in my book.

I have found that 99% of the "complaints" about Forza and MS in Forza 5 have come from people who have never played, nor had any real intentions to play it.
 

American Gunner

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I have found that 99% of the "complaints" about Forza and MS in Forza 5 have come from people who have never played, nor had any real intentions to play it.
You're probably right. Like I said, I don't have any major complaints. I enjoy it and never even looked at the microtransactions because I was making enough racing and getting the bonuses for leveling up. My only gripe is the lack of tracks. But I get around that by going and playing my other games when I start to get burnt out, and then go back when I start to get the itch to play.
 

Lil Frier

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Oct 3, 2013
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While the car count dropping sucks, it doesn't seem like a huge deal to me since they don't give you reward cars after finishing a series. I'm not going to debate whether that is a good or bad thing. I will just say that I don't think I could ever write off Forza all together, because there pretty much isn't any SIM racer that comes close to it in my book.

They don't give you reward cars, but what did those add up to, about 50 cars? You basically got one per level, until 50. If it was a cut of 50 cars, I'd be less-inclined to complain. however, we're talking about roughly 60% of the cars. They talked about laser scanning and this and that to quell the complaints, but they're also selling you 60 cars for $50, isn't it? That's asinine.

And they took out Nurburgring...but there's a chance they'll go ahead and sell you it for $5-10 later, I'm sure.

I don't mind paid DLC stuff when it's to supplement, but when they cut out content, then try to sell you it back, or sell you replacements that still only put you at 50% of the previous game, it's borderline-insulting.

I agree that there isn't a realistic racer that competes, but I just have a tendency to be heavily opinionated in this kind of stuff. It's why I haven't bought a retail game from EA in 5 years, and it's why I was not going to even consider an Xbox One while it had the check-in and required the Kinect to be plugged in.
 

American Gunner

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I don't mind paid DLC stuff when it's to supplement, but when they cut out content, then try to sell you it back, or sell you replacements that still only put you at 50% of the previous game, it's borderline-insulting.
This is the kind of stuff I don't like reading, because joe blow on a message board has no idea what they had to do to get the game ready. If they did cut those tracks on purpose to make money later, than shame on them. But acting like any of us know whether they actually cut stuff out to charge later is a mistake on our part, because we aren't in the dev offices seeing what kind of crunches they are working in.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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This is the kind of stuff I don't like reading, because joe blow on a message board has no idea what they had to do to get the game ready. If they did cut those tracks on purpose to make money later, than shame on them. But acting like any of us know whether they actually cut stuff out to charge later is a mistake on our part, because we aren't in the dev offices seeing what kind of crunches they are working in.

They had to cut all that content because releasing the PS2 model in a next gen title is a piss poor way of saying "haha we have 1200 cars omg!" Each car and track was remodeled for this game. They could use the older models in Forza 4 and 3 and 2, but that is a huge corner to cut where it would be very noticeable. They have deadlines to get as much content as they can out and have it properly tested, certified, and released. They don't get to set a "whenever it's ready" stance like some other companies, that cut corners anyway...


And for everyone saying "there's a change they will sell you the content later!", there is also a chance they will provide it free of charge.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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there is also a chance that there might be a free dlc game that makes your xbox one give you blowjobs.

a chance...
 
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