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smackababy

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Yeah, I am wondering if the Xbox One app just isn't updated to accept the SuperHD or something. My Smart TV gets SuperHD and I am 100% certain the Xbox One is far more powerful than it.
 

Bman123

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I've got the bandwidth to stream superhd. When I do the network test on the xbone I get around 50mbps down
 

boomhower

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Yeah, I am wondering if the Xbox One app just isn't updated to accept the SuperHD or something. My Smart TV gets SuperHD and I am 100% certain the Xbox One is far more powerful than it.

That's it. There's a list of devices that support it and the Xbone is not one of them. For what reason is anyones guess. Apple TV and PS3 are my two at the moment. Adding the Xbone would seriously derail my Apple TV usage. There has to be something behind the scenes preventing it, it certainly isn't hardware capability.
 

Aikouka

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Dunno about that...people say comcast does but I pull way over 10Mbps from them

Comcast isn't outright throttling the data. The claims are that Comcast isn't increasing the bandwidth (number of physical connections) at certain peering junctions with the CDNs that Netflix uses.

I read somewhere...think it was on dslreports or something about poor netflix performance and people said it was because netflix was trying to get comcast to go with a plan that allowed netflix to host servers on Comcast infrastructure for free to provide better service to comcast customers.

Yes, it's called Netflix Open Connect, which is actually more of a Netflix cache server.

Comcast said no way because it is your responsibility, not theirs, to provide the required bandwidth at peering points from your partners.

No, Comcast refused because that is a solution that doesn't provide their business any benefit. Comcast is trying to extort money through content providers because they know that the content providers are nothing without the ISP subscribers, but even though Netflix is a huge part of the Internet's downstream traffic, users will most likely still keep their Internet for other things.

Honestly, the idea of a 1:1 peering ratio is just silly. Peering is an artifact from the early Internet days, but how do you expect to have a proper peering ratio when you're comparing a CDN (content DELIVERY network) to an ISP, which is far heavy on the consumption side!?
 

cmdrdredd

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Comcast isn't outright throttling the data. The claims are that Comcast isn't increasing the bandwidth (number of physical connections) at certain peering junctions with the CDNs that Netflix uses.



Yes, it's called Netflix Open Connect, which is actually more of a Netflix cache server.



No, Comcast refused because that is a solution that doesn't provide their business any benefit. Comcast is trying to extort money through content providers because they know that the content providers are nothing without the ISP subscribers, but even though Netflix is a huge part of the Internet's downstream traffic, users will most likely still keep their Internet for other things.

Honestly, the idea of a 1:1 peering ratio is just silly. Peering is an artifact from the early Internet days, but how do you expect to have a proper peering ratio when you're comparing a CDN (content DELIVERY network) to an ISP, which is far heavy on the consumption side!?

Open connect is dead...Netflix is paying Comcast for direct peering now as of Feb 24 2014.

It is netflix's responsibility alone to make sure subscribers have adequate access to their content. It should not fall on the ISP to make sure people can get superhd from Netflix. They sell the bandwidth and if the network that Netflix is using can't handle it why is it considered the ISP's fault? Wouldn't that be like saying you buy a car that can do 180mph and blaming the manufacturer when the speed limit is 75mph on the highway? It can do it but is limited by other factors.
 

smackababy

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Open connect is dead...Netflix is paying Comcast for direct peering now as of Feb 24 2014.

It is netflix's responsibility alone to make sure subscribers have adequate access to their content. It should not fall on the ISP to make sure people can get superhd from Netflix. They sell the bandwidth and if the network that Netflix is using can't handle it why is it considered the ISP's fault? Wouldn't that be like saying you buy a car that can do 180mph and blaming the manufacturer when the speed limit is 75mph on the highway? It can do it but is limited by other factors.

That would make sense, except ISPs have made it no secret they would rather you only go 50MPH unless you are carrying passengers they approve of on said highway, which isn't Netflix, as that is a direct competitor to cable for most people.

They know that if Netflix is acting up, but everything else is fine, the average consumer will blame Netflix, even if it the ISP causing the issues behind the scenes.
 

Aikouka

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Open connect is dead...Netflix is paying Comcast for direct peering now as of Feb 24 2014.

No it isn't. There are ISPs that are actually willing to play ball and use Open Connect.

It is netflix's responsibility alone to make sure subscribers have adequate access to their content.

What!? No it isn't! Netflix does their duty by paying whatever their CDNs charge for delivery! It's the duty of the Content Delivery Network (CDN) to ensure proper delivery of the content through their network.

It should not fall on the ISP to make sure people can get superhd from Netflix.

Then what the hell am I paying Comcast for? I'm paying them for proper access to the Internet, and they're refusing to upgrade their hardware so they can wring money out of Netflix.

They sell the bandwidth and if the network that Netflix is using can't handle it why is it considered the ISP's fault? Wouldn't that be like saying you buy a car that can do 180mph and blaming the manufacturer when the speed limit is 75mph on the highway? It can do it but is limited by other factors.

I think of it like Netflix is a newspaper company. They then pay companies like Cogent and Level3 to deliver their newspapers. The curmudgeons known as Comcast are mad because Cogent and Level3 are sending a lot of delivery trucks through their monopolistic neighborhoods. Although, a more physical example actually holds more merit because you could argue road degradation, but even then... the onus is on the delivery vehicles.

However, the fact of the matter is, Comcast provides the users, and Cogent/Level3 provide the (Netflix) data that comprises 30% of the Internet's downstream traffic. This is apparently what Comcast's users want, but Comcast doesn't want that; Comcast is a business which exists for one reason: to make money. Comcast can legally hold off until Netflix or a CDN offers to pay them more money, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Sure, you could try to stick it to the man and cancel your Internet in a huff, but then you're without Internet, which does have more uses than watching Orange is the New Black or crazy cat videos on YouTube. It's not like most areas have more than one choice for an ISP.

Honestly, the whole Internet provider situation in the US is a huge mess. I'm quite interested to see if municipal setups will help whip the money-mongering ISPs into shape.
 

Aikouka

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I wonder what kind of performance dx12 will bring

Hmm I didn't think that DirectX 12 applied to the X1, because the DirectX 12 has a lot of X1 improvements folded into it. So, maybe that means that DX12 will create more similarities between the two, and that will be helpful. Although, that might just be a bunch of hearsay!
 

smackababy

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Hmm I didn't think that DirectX 12 applied to the X1, because the DirectX 12 has a lot of X1 improvements folded into it. So, maybe that means that DX12 will create more similarities between the two, and that will be helpful. Although, that might just be a bunch of hearsay!

I believe MS teased that DX12 would have a lot less overhead and give lower level access than the previous DX versions have allowed. It would behave very similar to the Xbox One API, I would assume. So, optimizations made on the Xbox One might translate (or translate much smoother) to the PC versions and vice versa.
 

cmdrdredd

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No it isn't. There are ISPs that are actually willing to play ball and use Open Connect.



What!? No it isn't! Netflix does their duty by paying whatever their CDNs charge for delivery! It's the duty of the Content Delivery Network (CDN) to ensure proper delivery of the content through their network.



Then what the hell am I paying Comcast for? I'm paying them for proper access to the Internet, and they're refusing to upgrade their hardware so they can wring money out of Netflix.



I think of it like Netflix is a newspaper company. They then pay companies like Cogent and Level3 to deliver their newspapers. The curmudgeons known as Comcast are mad because Cogent and Level3 are sending a lot of delivery trucks through their monopolistic neighborhoods. Although, a more physical example actually holds more merit because you could argue road degradation, but even then... the onus is on the delivery vehicles.

However, the fact of the matter is, Comcast provides the users, and Cogent/Level3 provide the (Netflix) data that comprises 30% of the Internet's downstream traffic. This is apparently what Comcast's users want, but Comcast doesn't want that; Comcast is a business which exists for one reason: to make money. Comcast can legally hold off until Netflix or a CDN offers to pay them more money, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Sure, you could try to stick it to the man and cancel your Internet in a huff, but then you're without Internet, which does have more uses than watching Orange is the New Black or crazy cat videos on YouTube. It's not like most areas have more than one choice for an ISP.

Honestly, the whole Internet provider situation in the US is a huge mess. I'm quite interested to see if municipal setups will help whip the money-mongering ISPs into shape.

Look dude...google would have straightened you right out.
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...for-direct-connection-to-network-wsj-reports/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/02/23/netflix-comcast-deal-streaming/5757631/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/02/26/why-did-netflix-decide-to-pay-comcast/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-pay-comcast-for-faster-broadband-access.html

So now that Netflix IS PAYING comcast all the other ISPs will say "hey, pay us too!". Thinking this will not happen is just stupid. Verizon even says they are trying to get the heavy video streaming content providers to pay royalties. This new deal is going to set a precedent. Netflix was working with Cogent to provide peering to comcast and they couldn't provide the proper bandwidth necessary for a smooth experience for all users. That is well known fact. Just go to DSL reports and ask.

You think Comcast isn't upgrading their hardware for Netflix? Really? That's not the job of Comcast. Comcast provides the pipe out to the internet. That's it. They give me 105/20 speeds but that doesn't mean it's their job to make sure that when I play Titanfall that I always get a certain connection to the East Coast Azure servers. Nor is it their job to make sure that when I download a game on Steam that I get a certain connection speed. That's the job of the ones hosting the content. It is their job, not the ISP providing the access to my house, to make sure their networks and partners are able to handle the traffic and provide the level of service they propose.

Yes the situation with providers in the US sucks and I want to have something like Google Fiber everywhere. We aren't going to get there with the corporate model. Even so, if I can download games from Steam and PSN/XBL at full speed and HBO Go works flawlessly as does Amazon video...the blame is not on my connection nor comcast who as part of their deal when they acquired NBCUniversal, are disallowed by the FCC to do any type of favoritism with network traffic. That is the situation some people have faced. They were paying for netflix and couldn't use it properly even when their actual connection to the internet is fine.
 
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cmdrdredd

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It might not even be an intention prevention either, just that they haven't gotten around to update it yet.

Here's the question though. Does Netflix themselves build the various apps or does a 3rd party handle it for them? I remember somewhere it was said that the Netflix app on the Xbox systems was built in cooperation with MS. Which would account for the different UI.
 

smackababy

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If the Netflix app on the Xbox One is like the one on the 360, it is made by MS, which would explain why they are lagging behind in updating it to SuperHD. I believe Netflix themselves handles the other platforms.
 

smackababy

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It is kind of silly people are arguing over this deal. It is basically the cost everyone cried about (matching the PS4) and a discounted price for Titanfall. yet, that isn't good enough. Always gotta be us or them mentality.
 

Rage187

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It is kind of silly people are arguing over this deal. It is basically the cost everyone cried about (matching the PS4) and a discounted price for Titanfall. yet, that isn't good enough. Always gotta be us or them mentality.

nobody is arguing about the deal in this thread, though.
 
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