The Official Xbox One Thread

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Lil Frier

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Cortana for windows phone. I am jealous of the 5 people in the world with one. =(

I call bull. I have one (920), 3 relatives have them (822, 900, 920), a friend as one (8X), and a classmate has one (8X). That doesn't even count the other one (1520) I saw at school a couple of weeks ago.

We are at least 7. Fear us.
 

Lil Frier

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As for the folks who say Microsoft won't bring us a consistent app ecosystem:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-that-run-on-everything-windows/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/universal-windows-apps-on-xbox/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/universal-apps-xbox-one-microsoft-approval/

Even the Xbox is apparently going to get some of it, though I imagine that's limited to higher-end games (read: mobile games from major developers) and streaming apps (like Netflix, MLB.TV, and the like).
 

Arkaign

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You all know me as someone who gave Microsoft absolute hell for many MANY reasons through the leadup and launch timeframe.

However, what Frier just posted, along with Phil Spencer (god what an improvement, considering what came before), the price cut(s), the bundle(s), it all gives me a pretty good feeling that being in the frying pan has been GREAT for Microsoft and the Xbox brand. Maybe they won't ever be 1st this gen, but they sure won't be very far back, and almost certainly will have years and years of great gaming ahead.

E3 will be extremely interesting.
 

Lil Frier

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Yeah, it's why I'm now in the position of possibly getting a One. My dad said he'd get me one as a graduation present, if I wanted. I'm just not sure if I want to, since a discussion with a friend online today resulted in needing about 30 minutes to come up with 4 games I'd play on the system (and I failed at the challenge of picking 4 already-released ones).

The only stuff through the end of 2014 that would interest me:

Titanfall (only if I got the bundle, because I won't give EA my money otherwise)
Kinect Sports Rivals (because David Tennant is the announcer, and it looks decent)
The Division (still think it's the best game we'll get this year)
Watch Dogs (it's slowly pulling me in...)
The Crew (could go up against NFS: Rivals, which is part of my EA embargo)
Dying Light (might actually get me interested in a zombie game)

There are a couple of outside options, like Forza 5 (would be bigger on it if they hadn't cut the car/track count and the graphics), but given that I still have SEVERAL 360 games to finish (BioShock 2, Borderlands 2, Defiance, Forza 4, Fallout 3 DLC), plus a lot of PC games to play (roughly 45 I've never even touched), I'm on the fence. Then there's the potential for a Halo 5 version of the One, and I'd REALLY like to get that...
 

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Yeah, it's why I'm now in the position of possibly getting a One. My dad said he'd get me one as a graduation present, if I wanted. I'm just not sure if I want to, since a discussion with a friend online today resulted in needing about 30 minutes to come up with 4 games I'd play on the system (and I failed at the challenge of picking 4 already-released ones).

The only stuff through the end of 2014 that would interest me:

Titanfall (only if I got the bundle, because I won't give EA my money otherwise)
Kinect Sports Rivals (because David Tennant is the announcer, and it looks decent)
The Division (still think it's the best game we'll get this year)
Watch Dogs (it's slowly pulling me in...)
The Crew (could go up against NFS: Rivals, which is part of my EA embargo)
Dying Light (might actually get me interested in a zombie game)

There are a couple of outside options, like Forza 5 (would be bigger on it if they hadn't cut the car/track count and the graphics), but given that I still have SEVERAL 360 games to finish (BioShock 2, Borderlands 2, Defiance, Forza 4, Fallout 3 DLC), plus a lot of PC games to play (roughly 45 I've never even touched), I'm on the fence. Then there's the potential for a Halo 5 version of the One, and I'd REALLY like to get that...

All games on your list are/will be available on at least one other platform except Kinect Sports. As it stands Halo 5 is the only reason to pick it over a PS4.
 

Lil Frier

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I disagree there. I see only a single reason to get a PS4, and that's The Show. Sony offers 0 exclusives after that which I care about. Microsoft will at least offer Halo, Forza, Kinect Sports, Titanfall, Gears of War, and I wouldn't mind trying Ryse or Dead Rising 3 out when they were on-sale at GameStop someday. Sony offers The Show then there is a chance I'd have future interest in the Killzone and Infamous games, but only if they released the previous installments on PS4 so I could get the story.

On top of that, I've got friends on Xbox (online and real-life), but I know 0 people to play on the PS4 with. I've been with Xbox LIVE for over 11 years, and I don't care to leave that platform behind.

Yeah, I could get many of those games on PS4, but I could easily get them on PC as well. However, I use my desktop primarily as a media/casual gaming device, and couldn't reasonably play a game like Titanfall or The Division on it because playing games with a mouse and keyboard is a bit of a pain from a bed, and I wouldn't survive in a competitive game with a controller.

The end point I'm making: I have a PC for third-party games I'd want with great graphics, but I like the Microsoft exclusives more, plus I have folks to play with on the One. Besides, my TV is 720p. I don't need the extra pixels from the PS4.
 
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I call bull. I have one (920), 3 relatives have them (822, 900, 920), a friend as one (8X), and a classmate has one (8X). That doesn't even count the other one (1520) I saw at school a couple of weeks ago.

We are at least 7. Fear us.

I had a Windows Phone for 2 years, then switched back over to the iPhone 5s when it came out last year. I miss my Windows Phone and would love to switch back over to 8.1.
 

cmdrdredd

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As for the folks who say Microsoft won't bring us a consistent app ecosystem:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-pushes-universal-apps-that-run-on-everything-windows/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/universal-windows-apps-on-xbox/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/universal-apps-xbox-one-microsoft-approval/

Even the Xbox is apparently going to get some of it, though I imagine that's limited to higher-end games (read: mobile games from major developers) and streaming apps (like Netflix, MLB.TV, and the like).

I think you are misunderstanding what a universal app is. That means a developer can write one app that works across every windows device including xb1 but that does not mean you buy it once and you get the other version. This is news for developers more than consumers.
 

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I had a Windows Phone for 2 years, then switched back over to the iPhone 5s when it came out last year. I miss my Windows Phone and would love to switch back over to 8.1.

A couple of my friends just switched to Android phones and are regretting it after playing with the emulator from the SDK yesterday. I <3 my Lumia 1020.
 

cmdrdredd

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For me I can't leave android there are too many apps that I have made use of that have no windows phone equivalent.
 

Arkaign

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I'm android all the way for the sheer value. I work on iPhone and windows phones daily and don't mind them but find they are INSANELY poor value for what I need.
 

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I might consider dropping my iPhone, but I'd need to use the other phones and get some real reviews from people I know with a similar usage pattern as me. Granted, I pretty much only text with my phone lately. I think I used 4 minutes this billing cycle. =(
 

Lil Frier

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I think you are misunderstanding what a universal app is. That means a developer can write one app that works across every windows device including xb1 but that does not mean you buy it once and you get the other version. This is news for developers more than consumers.

Did you click the links? The image from the first article is a slide from the presentation, and it literally says "You can let customers buy once, use anywhere."
 

Lil Frier

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I'm android all the way for the sheer value. I work on iPhone and windows phones daily and don't mind them but find they are INSANELY poor value for what I need.

I agree that it is something where personal usage is the biggest factor. For me, the only app I miss from Android is Trillian, and IM+ does a decent-enough job to replace it that I don't mind. However, I would hate going back to Android, not knowing if my device would get an OS update, having to root my phone to remove bloatware, and losing the Games hubs (which keeps games and general app separate on the device, which is nice).

That, and getting my Lumia 920 for $50 with a free $50 wireless charging plate right at release (they did a Black Friday deal a week after I got it, and I was refunded the difference) made it all the better, since the alternative was a $150-200 Galaxy S III.
 

Arkaign

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I might consider dropping my iPhone, but I'd need to use the other phones and get some real reviews from people I know with a similar usage pattern as me. Granted, I pretty much only text with my phone lately. I think I used 4 minutes this billing cycle. =(

I had several iPhones, my favorite being the 4S. I've also had a number of flagship Androids.

It really comes down to usage and striking a balance. I am the only income source of a small family with young children, so over the past couple of years I've looked extremely close at my budget at every level. I find things that are simply bad value for my needs, and adjust accordingly after research and testing. It's cold and analytic, and very different from the 'want it, buy it without thinking' ways of my unattached younger days.

Anyway, for my particular needs, I needed email, web, a small but focused group of apps, a screen large enough to be usable for remote desktop work, great battery life, and everything else was kind of fluff to me. Given all that, I decided that spending $499, $599, and etc was just wasteful. The big phone companies with their bogus 'deals' tied to contracts also had to go out the window, as the expense was just stupid.

So, what I ended up with after much research is a Blu Studio 5.5. It's a quad-core midrange android with an easy to use, stripped down OS on it, battery life that lasts me all day, dual SIM support (helps when I travel out of the country), and does everything I need. It's a moderately cut-down Note 2 clone. The cameras are the weak spot, both front and rear facing cameras are not that great. I don't care though, it's good enough for basic social media kind of pics, and gives me more of an excuse to use my SLR for things I feel worthy of a real camera. The 3G is fast enough for Youtube/Amazon/Hulu/Spotify, but not insanely fast by any stretch. I'm almost always in a Wifi zone, so the ludicrous prices for 4G/LTE options don't interest me any more.

Anyway, I got mine a few months ago for $170 shipped from Amazon. They are now carried in Micro Center. I pair it with $30/mo unlimited no-contract (data/voice/text), and I couldn't be happier.

It's not for everyone, but it is worth looking in to more affordable options if you feel like you don't need a really expensive phone for your uses. I know the AT standard is that we all make 50 million per year and use $100 bills for toilet paper, but my thought is : why spend what you don't have to if it's not doing anything for you?
 

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I agree that it is something where personal usage is the biggest factor. For me, the only app I miss from Android is Trillian, and IM+ does a decent-enough job to replace it that I don't mind. However, I would hate going back to Android, not knowing if my device would get an OS update, having to root my phone to remove bloatware, and losing the Games hubs (which keeps games and general app separate on the device, which is nice).

That, and getting my Lumia 920 for $50 with a free $50 wireless charging plate right at release (they did a Black Friday deal a week after I got it, and I was refunded the difference) made it all the better, since the alternative was a $150-200 Galaxy S III.

Look into Blu, their phones are unlocked out of the box, and run completely barebones with no BS in there. You start with basic Android, and build it from there the way you want.
 

Lil Frier

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Look into Blu, their phones are unlocked out of the box, and run completely barebones with no BS in there. You start with basic Android, and build it from there the way you want.

I can't say I have any interest in Android anymore. Like I said, I don't trust OEMs to update the device, and I just don't care enough to deal with rooting. My one experience with Android (HTC Droid Incredible) was bad, and a 2-year contract or $200 investment isn't worth the risk when I know that Windows Phone gives me what I want/need.

Plus, my phones are almost always Christmas presents, so I'm not paying for them. Getting something I know I'll enjoy for 2 years (still love my 920 after almost 18 months, wanted to burn my Incredible after about 8 months) is more-important than avoiding a contract my family would be signing up for anyway.
 

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You don't have to root certain phones, as they start out with no garbage at all. Windows phones aren't immune from not being updated either, just wait until Windows 9 comes out, lol. Do you remember what happened to Windows phone 7 users?

Using what you want is great though, but contract phone plans are ludicrous unless the deal is ludicrously good. You can use an unlocked Windows GSM phone on a no-contract carrier and potentially save an insane amount of money. I had Sprint and was paying $130-$160/mo for two phones on contract with limitations on data. Now I'm paying $55/mo for two phones with no contract with zero limitations (no 4G though).

Just do the math over two years If your current plan is insanely cheap then don't worry about it, but forking over more of your hard earned cash if it's not necessary is just a waste. I know people that pay ~$100/mo that don't even get decent 4G in their plan, all for a subsidized phone, but over the two year contract period they're actually paying far more than they would if they just bought the unlocked version in cash and had a $30/mo unlimited no-contract plan.
 

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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/128235-what-to-expect-from-windows-phone-8-1-blue

920 isn't on the 8.1 'blue' support list, though that may come at a later time.

Edit : here's my last Windows phone, the HTC Titan II.

Speaking of TERRIBLE support, this was a flagship phone from April 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Titan_II

Windows Phone 8 came out in October, so less than 6 mos later. Can you upgrade the Titan II to Phone 8? HELL NO. Lol that's BS. The hardware is more capable than many official Windows 8 phones, so it's just the usual crap that smartphone companies pull.
 
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Using what you want is great though, but contract phone plans are ludicrous unless the deal is ludicrously good. You can use an unlocked Windows GSM phone on a no-contract carrier and potentially save an insane amount of money. I had Sprint and was paying $130-$160/mo for two phones on contract with limitations on data. Now I'm paying $55/mo for two phones with no contract with zero limitations (no 4G though).
Not to get too far into this discussion (since there are already too many in the Mobile forum)... I'm sure there are many concessions for that $55/month. You already listed data speed, and I'm sure coverage isn't the same between that and say, Verizon.

Granted, these things may be insignificant for you. But they also may be very important for someone else. So, what may seem "ludicrous" for you, is certainly not for someone with different priorities.
 

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Not to get too far into this discussion (since there are already too many in the Mobile forum)... I'm sure there are many concessions for that $55/month. You already listed data speed, and I'm sure coverage isn't the same between that and say, Verizon.

Granted, these things may be insignificant for you. But they also may be very important for someone else. So, what may seem "ludicrous" for you, is certainly not for someone with different priorities.

Well data speed is good enough to watch SD Youtube on, it's just not '4G'. Coverage has been flawless in my area of DFW (and trips to LA, Denver, Seattle, NYC, Chicago, and Ft. Meade).

Verizon is a standalone, they are dramatically more expensive, but their LTE is top-notch for people with extreme data speed needs.

FWIW, my network is T-Mobile, but ATT is also available for the same price. And this is the identical coverage of the plans that cost dramatically more for the EXACT same cell towers/frequencies/data speeds.

The caps make most 4G sort of pointless, but there are exceptions. I had it, but don't miss it. If someone has no wifi, needs very fast data, and is willing to pay an arm and a leg, then that's a match for them.

EDIT :

Verizon plan : $75/mo unlimited call/text with 2GB data, and $15/GB fees beyond that. Actual bills are in the $95-$98 range after misc. fees/taxes. I don't have to tell anyone that 2GB is absolutely pathetic for data. I used 14GB last month on 3G just in email/web/remote support on my phone alone.

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For the hell of it, built a two-phone plan at Verizon. Unlimited call/text and 4GB shared data (with the same $15/GB overage fees), and it's $150 base. From experience, I know those bills come in at $185 (I have STACKS of customers with smartphone plans to analyze) with the fees.

That's $4440 for two years. Vs. $1320 for my current setup. Allowing for two $400 smartphones (and assuming Verizon will give you two free phones of that value for the contract), that brings my cost to $2120.

Is saving $2320 by skipping the 4GB of LTE worth it to me and my family? Yes. Do I ever have coverage issues? No. Would someone say in Kansas City or San Antonio or Panama City have the same coverage experience? Not necessarily.

It just pays to do the research. From my experience, most people do not do that at all. They're like 'Ooo, big shiny phone, and I don't have to pay for it because it's FREE or it's $99 with contract or whatever'
 
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Wingznut

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Well data speed is good enough to watch SD Youtube on, it's just not '4G'. Coverage has been flawless in my area of DFW (and trips to LA, Denver, Seattle, NYC, Chicago, and Ft. Meade).

Verizon is a standalone, they are dramatically more expensive, but their LTE is top-notch for people with extreme data speed needs.

FWIW, my network is T-Mobile, but ATT is also available for the same price. And this is the identical coverage of the plans that cost dramatically more for the EXACT same cell towers/frequencies/data speeds.

The caps make most 4G sort of pointless, but there are exceptions. I had it, but don't miss it. If someone has no wifi, needs very fast data, and is willing to pay an arm and a leg, then that's a match for them.
Great that your plan fits your priorities. But like I said, not everyone has the same priorities or wants to make the same concessions.
 

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Great that your plan fits your priorities. But like I said, not everyone has the same priorities or wants to make the same concessions.

True. For those that do the research and decide that a high dollar plan is what they need, that's wonderful.

The point is that the VAST majority of people (just look at Facebook, instagram, etc, lol) are oblivious to common sense, and just want to sign up with a carrier because they get an easy iPhone/Galaxy/etc that they don't have to drop $600-$800 cash on (but will have to pay huge $$ for over the life of the plan). Basically every 20-something is like this these days, hahah

To put a bullet on it, expensive ATT/Tmobile/Sprint plans are certainly the definition of insanity, because you can get the exact same networks for a fraction of the cost if you're willing to buy your phone cash
 

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Thanks for everyone's patience with us, and I ask any further queries be directed to my PM for mobile debates. Apologies to the XB fans, and we now return to regular gaming services
 
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