The Official Xbox One Thread

[purbeast0]

ive never purchased a micro usb cable in my life.

that said, i have about 5-10 of them sitting around the house.

fact of the matter is the cable is not required to use the controller. the controller will function 100% without the cable. with the others i have, it is required to charge the devices.

if ms really wanted to nickel and dime you for it, they would make a proprietary cable and not include it. you can go buy a $1 cable from amazon and that in no way benefits microsoft.

another non-issue for most that people want to bitch about, especially us on a tech forum.

 

[Tweak155]

Just noticed this, but Dead Rising 3 $35 at Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874129043

 

[Tweak155]

ive never purchased a micro usb cable in my life.

that said, i have about 5-10 of them sitting around the house.

fact of the matter is the cable is not required to use the controller. the controller will function 100% without the cable. with the others i have, it is required to charge the devices.

if ms really wanted to nickel and dime you for it, they would make a proprietary cable and not include it. you can go buy a $1 cable from amazon and that in no way benefits microsoft.

another non-issue for most that people want to bitch about, especially us on a tech forum.

To be fair, not everyone realizes this... unfortunately.

 

[American Gunner]

Because they want to charge you for everything. They will nickel and dime your ass to death.

Not sure how they are nickle and diming you since they aren't making you buy a MS cable.

 

[Arkaign]

To be fair, not everyone realizes this... unfortunately.

I know many people who are Apple-only kinds of people that have zero USB cables laying around. And yes, one that I know personally has an XB1. I very much doubt he knows/cares that the controller can be updated though, unless it becomes required for whatever reason.

I do think the issue isn't that big of a deal, probably a minor oversight in the big picture. In this particular case I don't think they're really trying to gouge people. They had much bigger fish to fry anyway.

 

[Lil Frier]

ive never purchased a micro usb cable in my life.

that said, i have about 5-10 of them sitting around the house.

fact of the matter is the cable is not required to use the controller. the controller will function 100% without the cable. with the others i have, it is required to charge the devices.

if ms really wanted to nickel and dime you for it, they would make a proprietary cable and not include it. you can go buy a $1 cable from amazon and that in no way benefits microsoft.

another non-issue for most that people want to bitch about, especially us on a tech forum.

I mean, yeah, I've got a few lying around here as well. It's just that if Microsoft is going to do things like updating the controller, where the cable is required, they should be smart enough to include the cable. You said it yourself, these cables cost NOTHING to produce. Include a 2-foot one and make those who won't buy the Play & Charge update from right at the console if you want, but don't leave the potential for making people unhappy over something so small.

I mean, this doesn't affect or upset me in any way, I just think about it and wonder if Microsoft just has a desire to do the "death by a thousand paper cuts" thing or something. They're doing all of these silly things that aren't exactly detrimental, but are minor annoyances for some. For example, I don't care much for a battery indicator on my console, as long as the controller flashes or something, but folks care about it.

 

[Lil Frier]

I know many people who are Apple-only kinds of people that have zero USB cables laying around. And yes, one that I know personally has an XB1. I very much doubt he knows/cares that the controller can be updated though, unless it becomes required for whatever reason.

I do think the issue isn't that big of a deal, probably a minor oversight in the big picture. In this particular case I don't think they're really trying to gouge people. They had much bigger fish to fry anyway.

I agree, it wasn't something nefarious, IMO. It's just one of those things that make you sigh a little and wonder if no one even considered the potential issue or what.

 

[Topweasel]

I mean, yeah, I've got a few lying around here as well. It's just that if Microsoft is going to do things like updating the controller, where the cable is required, they should be smart enough to include the cable. You said it yourself, these cables cost NOTHING to produce. Include a 2-foot one and make those who won't buy the Play & Charge update from right at the console if you want, but don't leave the potential for making people unhappy over something so small.

I mean, this doesn't affect or upset me in any way, I just think about it and wonder if Microsoft just has a desire to do the "death by a thousand paper cuts" thing or something. They're doing all of these silly things that aren't exactly detrimental, but are minor annoyances for some. For example, I don't care much for a battery indicator on my console, as long as the controller flashes or something, but folks care about it.

People need to stop expecting every little possibility in the world. If they included a USB cable it would not have served a purpose with the device unless the user also purchased some other accessory. So why include it? Just like the media center remote. Why include a media center remote when there are 5 other ways to control media otherwise. So yeah spending money sucks, but I don't want to subsidize a useless to me micro-USB cable for the few people that 1.) Don't have a mini-usb. 2.) Didn't buy a charge and play kit. 3.) sensitive enough to controller input that feel the need to run an update on their controller.

Once you understand how small that niche of people are (that fit all three) even with hindsight where they might know that they will want to update the firmware in the controller, it just doesn't make sense to include 1 for that small subset of users, considering that for people that don't fit those categories (any of them) its damn near useless. It would be one thing if the cable could run a controller with no battery pack, but I am pretty sure that isn't the case.

 

[Lil Frier]

Except it would probably add no cost to the console, in terms of parts (they could probably get a thousand of them for $1) or space (there's a decent bit of extra space in the box and it weighs basically nothing).

The media remote comparison is bad because they provide you with both the controller AND the Kinect to do media controls. They give you nothing to update the controller with.

 

[smackababy]

Except it would probably add no cost to the console, in terms of parts (they could probably get a thousand of them for $1) or space (there's a decent bit of extra space in the box and it weighs basically nothing).

The media remote comparison is bad because they provide you with both the controller AND the Kinect to do media controls. They give you nothing to update the controller with.

A thousand 2 ft lengths of mini USB cable for $1? Are you serious?

A cable they would include would likely be similar to the one with the plug n play kit. It would be a nice cable. Let's say it cost them $1 per console. That means, they've had lost $4 million or so dollars on cables right now. Because, a few people don't have a widely used cable laying around house, are too cheap to buy one themselves, AND even know about the controller firmware upgrades and wish to partake in them.

And, then they would have to split the Plug N Play kit to include a SKU without a cable and just the battery, because otherwise, all of you would be crying about them giving you two cables...

 

[Lil Frier]

1. If you're going to the use the "everyone owns them" argument about the cables, then they SHOULD sell the batteries on their own. I mean, why should a person who wants 4 controllers need to buy 4 chargers, when the console only have 3 USB ports? That's just stupid, asking folks to spend $85 on the controllers. The 360 had not only battery-only options (for $12), they had colored batteries available shortly after launch (I still have my blue controller and battery).

2. Those cables cost nothing to made. Buying in huge bulk, Microsoft would be spending a lot less than $1.cable. I mean, if they're giving out HDMI cables (which you can get for almost nothing on Amazon), I can't imagine they'd need to spend MORE per-cable for microUSB ones. Shoot, they're buying Nokia, who probably has a warehouse of spares.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I mean, yeah, I've got a few lying around here as well. It's just that if Microsoft is going to do things like updating the controller, where the cable is required, they should be smart enough to include the cable. You said it yourself, these cables cost NOTHING to produce. Include a 2-foot one and make those who won't buy the Play & Charge update from right at the console if you want, but don't leave the potential for making people unhappy over something so small.

I mean, this doesn't affect or upset me in any way, I just think about it and wonder if Microsoft just has a desire to do the "death by a thousand paper cuts" thing or something. They're doing all of these silly things that aren't exactly detrimental, but are minor annoyances for some. For example, I don't care much for a battery indicator on my console, as long as the controller flashes or something, but folks care about it.

I said before that they probably never thought they would ever update the controller. So why include a worthless cable at launch?

1. If you're going to the use the "everyone owns them" argument about the cables, then they SHOULD sell the batteries on their own. I mean, why should a person who wants 4 controllers need to buy 4 chargers, when the console only have 3 USB ports? That's just stupid, asking folks to spend $85 on the controllers. The 360 had not only battery-only options (for $12), they had colored batteries available shortly after launch (I still have my blue controller and battery).

Are you saying you don't have AA batteries now too?

 

[railven]

Are you saying you don't have AA batteries now too?

True story, I don't have AA batteries in my house. Haha. I only found out because I wanted to test a mini-Mag lite I found in one of my drawers.

Go figure.

 

[smackababy]

True story, I don't have AA batteries in my house. Haha. I only found out because I wanted to test a mini-Mag lite I found in one of my drawers.

Go figure.

"a mini-Mag lite"? Is that what they're calling it now?

 

[zerocool84]

They obviously put in the ability to update the controller firmware so they definitely knew they'd have to do it down the line at some point.

 

[Drako]

They obviously put in the ability to update the controller firmware so they definitely knew they'd have to do it down the line at some point.

LOL. :biggrin:

 

[cmdrdredd]

They obviously put in the ability to update the controller firmware so they definitely knew they'd have to do it down the line at some point.

Actually no...the controller has firmware but that doesn't mean they ever thought they would need to update it. Ps4 controller probably has firmware too but will never see an update.

 

[smackababy]

They obviously put in the ability to update the controller firmware so they definitely knew they'd have to do it down the line at some point.

I don't know if you understand what firmware is or are just trolling.

 

[Muadib]

I don't know if you understand what firmware is or are just trolling.

How is he trolling? Clearly they knew as they gave us the means to do the upgrade. I had to use the cable from my phone to do it, but if I still had an iPhone, I would have been screwed.

 

[smackababy]

How is he trolling? Clearly they knew as they gave us the means to do the upgrade. I had to use the cable from my phone to do it, but if I still had an iPhone, I would have been screwed.

Again, do you understand what firmware is? They didn't "give us the means to upgrade", as pretty much 100% of things that has firmware and any kind of input mechanism has that ability. It is highly likely they did not plan for the firmware to ever be updated.

 

[Topweasel]

How is he trolling? Clearly they knew as they gave us the means to do the upgrade. I had to use the cable from my phone to do it, but if I still had an iPhone, I would have been screwed.

Only if you played titanfall and felt you weren't competitive enough with the preloaded firmware.

But the trolling he was referencing was about how MS being able to give us updated firmware as being proof enough that they thought ahead to the fact that they would have a firmware update for the controller. The ability to push a firmware update through a USB connection doesn't mean that MS thought that they would be doing it so soon or at all. If they planned on being able to or finding the need do firmware updates then they probably would have come up with a wireless solution. The fact that they can push a firmware update out through USB doesn't mean they intended to.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Again, do you understand what firmware is? They didn't "give us the means to upgrade", as pretty much 100% of things that has firmware and any kind of input mechanism has that ability. It is highly likely they did not plan for the firmware to ever be updated.

Right. From my point of view it seems like they didn't include the cable because they never planned to ever update the controller at all. Then the headset adapter didn't function 100% and they looked into why combined with feedback from one of their hottest releases in the launch window, titanfall, gave them the idea that updating the controller can remedy both problems at once. Now though are they going to be expected to constantly tweak and update the controller like it was a programmable mouse?

 

[railven]

"a mini-Mag lite"? Is that what they're calling it now?

Oye, you've never seen a Mini Mag lite?

 

[smackababy]

Oye, you've never seen a Mini Mag lite?

I was making a joke about a device that takes batteries normally hidden away in drawers, usually a "personal massager" for women.

 

[railven]

I was making a joke about a device that takes batteries normally hidden away in drawers, usually a "personal massager" for women.

Sorry bro not sure what funky things you keep in your drawers, but mine is just a plain mini-Mag Lite.