The Official Xbox One Thread

[purbeast0]

Why the debate over sales numbers? Or more specifically... Who cares? Does it really affect how much you enjoy your console? Or just justify that you chose the right one, presuming your only criteria for which console is best for you, is sales numbers.

the funniest part is that because people are claiming the ps4 is outselling the x1 2:1, that somehow that means the x1 isn't selling.

i guess all other games aside from kinect adventures are "losers" last gen then on 360 since it outsold the next best selling games 3:2. i have so many loser games

even gta5 only sold 14 million compared to 21 million ... gta5 was such a failure.

 

[sze5003]

I don't see the big deal either. So if the ps4 sold more, it does not mean Xbox is as close as wii to go out of style. It sold pretty well considering titanfall and when it first came out, mainly since Sony had supply issues. I believe now both systems are easily obtainable. We still have time until more games come out for either system. I think Xbox would sell more if they lowered price which won't happen.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Why the debate over sales numbers? Or more specifically... Who cares? Does it really affect how much you enjoy your console? Or just justify that you chose the right one, presuming your only criteria for which console is best for you, is sales numbers.

Yes it affects me. I weep at night and can't enjoy any games on the loser platform...you know how it is. Gotta be with the winning team.

Course it really doesn't matter to me personally as I own both. It may matter to someone who hasn't purchased yet as the console with the most sales has the highest potential user base for online games and for smaller developers to release their titles to. I think for most here talking about it, it is just a conversation piece and nobody seems to be trying to pick sides.

 

[foghorn67]

Both are outpacing their predecessor's sales pace.

 

[blurredvision]

Both are outpacing their predecessor's sales pace.

Pretty much. If at the end of this gen cycle we see the PS4 at 100 million and the X1 at 80 million, we all win.

 

[futurefields]

Pretty much. If at the end of this gen cycle we see the PS4 at 100 million and the X1 at 80 million, we all win.

I disagree. That would just validate Microsoft that they can put out a POS underpowered console tailored to media and microtransactions and it will still sell well. Would rather see the Xbone fail miserably, see the PS4 doing very well, and have Microsoft come back to the realization that it built the Xbox brand on core gaming and that's where the bread and butter still is.

 

[dguy6789]

I disagree. That would just validate Microsoft that they can put out a POS underpowered console tailored to media and microtransactions and it will still sell well.

Not sure if serious. The blind hate for the Xbone is almost tangible

 

[futurefields]

So if I express a negative opinion on Xbone, it is automatically blind hate?

The blind fanboyism for Xbone is almost tangible.

Xbone games are all lower quality than on PS4. Lower resolution lower framerate etc... and charging full price for games like Forza and not even giving you the whole game. Treating it like F2P with microtransactions and still charging $59.99 for it.

 

[purbeast0]

So if I express a negative opinion on Xbone, it is automatically blind hate?

The blind fanboyism for Xbone is almost tangible.

Xbone games are all lower quality than on PS4. Lower resolution lower framerate etc... and charging full price for games like Forza and not even giving you the whole game. Treating it like F2P with microtransactions and still charging $59.99 for it.

i dunno man, i think that killer instinct and ryse on xbox1 are of better quality than their counterparts on ps4.

 

[futurefields]

Killer Instinct is 720p

Lower quality than PS4 games

 

[purbeast0]

Killer Instinct is 720p

Lower quality than PS4 games

and it looks phenomenal on my 120" screen.

what quality is the ps4 version of killer instinct though? is it 1080p?

 

[futurefields]

That it looks phenomenal on your 120" TV is beside the point. Personally I think most games post-2008 have good graphics because I remember playing games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom.

But if we are going to compare things we need to do so honestly. Xbone games look pretty good... now. How will they compare in 3 or 4 or 5 years time to PC games?

Literally the only way Xbone games will be able to compare with high-end PC games is if they willfully hold back PC games so the console can keep pace.

That is bad for gaming IMO when an underpowered console dictates the state of game development for all other platforms as well.

 

[purbeast0]

how an xbox1 game looks compared to a pc game is 100% irrelevant and has 0 bearing on how fun a game is or how good it looks.

when will people get over the whole concept of something always having to be "better/winner" and something always having to be "bad/loser".

it's a sad state the way a lot of the gaming community thinks. have fun crying about graphics and missing out on great games because of it. i'll continue to enjoy games and play them instead of crying about them.

 

[Lil Frier]

But if we are going to compare things we need to do so honestly.

Then you should probably do that. You're sitting here saying you think most games have good graphics post-2008, and that how good the game looks on a TV is irrelevant because you know the pixel count. The honesty I'm getting from you is that graphics (That you admit are mostly good from everything) are the major thing worth looking at, to the point you're taking it over game quality, in this discussion.

You're crapping on Microsoft for this and that about their console, but they're AT LEAST doing the best the can with what they have right now, trying to supplement the hardware with XBLC, putting up the massive Azure infrastructure for LIVE, and changing several features at the request of potential consumers, while also pumping out meaningful, monthly updates to the OS.

I mean, I was as mad at Microsoft about their stuff at E3, but they fixed almost all of it (the only major thing being the still-required Kinect purchase), and they're doing a solid job of taking feedback and turning it into tangible improvements. So yeah, Microsoft messed up on some stuff, but too many people are acting like the One is the same console from E3, with DRM locks and all.

I hold no ill will towards either console as it stands. Yeah, Microsoft released a lower-powered console. However, Sony didn't release a racing game, their shooter (Killzone) sounds like it's inferior to the quality of Microsoft's (Titanfall, next Halo), and there are overall more game I WANT on the Xbox One than the PS4, which really only intrigues me for 2 or 3 games.

 

[digiram]

That it looks phenomenal on your 120" TV is beside the point. Personally I think most games post-2008 have good graphics because I remember playing games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom.

But if we are going to compare things we need to do so honestly. Xbone games look pretty good... now. How will they compare in 3 or 4 or 5 years time to PC games?

Literally the only way Xbone games will be able to compare with high-end PC games is if they willfully hold back PC games so the console can keep pace.

That is bad for gaming IMO when an underpowered console dictates the state of game development for all other platforms as well.

I hope U feel the same way about the ps4 because its no i7 xtreme with the latest ati card in it.

 

[futurefields]

PS4 is also underpowered. It's only 40-50% more powerful than Xbone and only on the GPU which allows for a bit higher resolution, framerate etc but not a huge difference. IMO it's the low clock speed on the CPU that is the biggest problem. You can easily pare back shadows, lighting, etc.. and still have a "next-gen" game with fully interactive environments etc... but not with these 1.6 ghz cpu's. So the GPU's are left to pick up the slack and that's why games on both consoles are looking sub-par when compared to the bigger leap we had going from Xbox to Xbox 360.

 

[ImpulsE69]

That it looks phenomenal on your 120" TV is beside the point. Personally I think most games post-2008 have good graphics because I remember playing games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom.

But if we are going to compare things we need to do so honestly. Xbone games look pretty good... now. How will they compare in 3 or 4 or 5 years time to PC games?

Literally the only way Xbone games will be able to compare with high-end PC games is if they willfully hold back PC games so the console can keep pace.

That is bad for gaming IMO when an underpowered console dictates the state of game development for all other platforms as well.

This is mostly what I'm concerned about. It was already stated by one company that they were intentionally making the game the same on all platforms so the lowest denominator (Xbox1) didn't feel slighted. I think this mindset is backwards and only hurts the industry.

While I agree that graphics are not the be all end all, there is no excuse for intentionally hindering progress other than stupidity and greed. It is not insane to imagine MS or Sony would throw money at a company to do these kind of tactics.

 

[Aikouka]

I think the sales figures are interesting because I like postulating on what could cause a disparity between the two. Is it a psychological issue? Meaning did Microsoft distance themselves from their core with their earlier antics and they still haven't recovered completely? Is it a technical issue? Does the pre-release hardware differences between the PS4 and post-release comparisons between games cause people to go with the one that may have more longevity? Is it a monetary issue? Do people like spending $100 more on a console for a device (Kinect) that they may not care about? Is it an issue of being miserly? Do people simply not see much of a reason to blow $400 (PS4) or $500 (X1) when the games they care about also come out on the previous generation?

Do I care in the end? Probably doubtful since I even bought a Wii U.

This is mostly what I'm concerned about. It was already stated by one company that they were intentionally making the game the same on all platforms so the lowest denominator (Xbox1) didn't feel slighted. I think this mindset is backwards and only hurts the industry.

Hmm I must have missed that news. What company said that?

 

[cmdrdredd]

That it looks phenomenal on your 120" TV is beside the point. Personally I think most games post-2008 have good graphics because I remember playing games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom.

But if we are going to compare things we need to do so honestly. Xbone games look pretty good... now. How will they compare in 3 or 4 or 5 years time to PC games?

Literally the only way Xbone games will be able to compare with high-end PC games is if they willfully hold back PC games so the console can keep pace.

That is bad for gaming IMO when an underpowered console dictates the state of game development for all other platforms as well.

God...so now it's PC vs XB1 instead of your original PS4 vs XB1 argument?

 

[Wingznut]

That it looks phenomenal on your 120" TV is beside the point. Personally I think most games post-2008 have good graphics because I remember playing games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom.

But if we are going to compare things we need to do so honestly. Xbone games look pretty good... now. How will they compare in 3 or 4 or 5 years time to PC games?

Literally the only way Xbone games will be able to compare with high-end PC games is if they willfully hold back PC games so the console can keep pace.

That is bad for gaming IMO when an underpowered console dictates the state of game development for all other platforms as well.

So.... The amount of pixels is really that much of a factor in your enjoyment of a game?

 

[sze5003]

Don't both consoles have similar cpu?

 

[futurefields]

Impulse69 is the only one that gets my point lol

 

[Lil Frier]

I think the sales figures are interesting because I like postulating on what could cause a disparity between the two. Is it a psychological issue? Meaning did Microsoft distance themselves from their core with their earlier antics and they still haven't recovered completely? Is it a technical issue? Does the pre-release hardware differences between the PS4 and post-release comparisons between games cause people to go with the one that may have more longevity? Is it a monetary issue? Do people like spending $100 more on a console for a device (Kinect) that they may not care about? Is it an issue of being miserly? Do people simply not see much of a reason to blow $400 (PS4) or $500 (X1) when the games they care about also come out on the previous generation?

I think it's just the compounding of things.

1. Terrible E3 and policy announcement (especially in regards to how the sharing worked)
2. Underpowered Hardware
3. Cost (specifically, cost because of the Kinect)

Those 3 things did a lot of damage, and only the third was actually reversed, meaning they still launched with a weaker console at a higher price. Now, it's a bit of an issue where they bettered the offer with the bundles and price drops, but many are likely pulling their friends to the Sony side because they adopted the PS4 early. I mean, the biggest reason I'm still with Microsoft is because I bought into their online ecosystem early, and I have a bunch of friends on-board now.

Microsoft let a bunch of idiots run the PR campaign, they shot themselves in the foot, and their fixes thus far have brought them on-par with Sony. Bringing yourself to-par from a negative starting point isn't enough--you have to come out and give a reason for folks to stop choosing Sony.

 

[Wingznut]

Impulse69 is the only one that gets my point lol

The point should be that the consoles are selling well because... Wait for it... They are FUN.

Strange concept, I know.

 

[futurefields]

Cool story bro.