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railven

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I was thinking of using my BTC stockpile to get an XB1 eventually. I swore there was an article about a Halo bundle coming out, or am I making things up? Not really interested in the current bundles, but would like to pick something up in the near future.

People are expecting a Halo bundle, but nothing official. I don't think I've even heard of a rumor with meat.
 

cmdrdredd

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Honest question - how many people do you personally know that chose a Windows phone over an Android/Apple just because of the notion of "I can keep track of my gamerscore! Awesome!!" Just curious. I know two people with Windows phones, and they are work related, not personal (their personal phones are iPhones.)

There is a reason Microsoft's CE division is hemorrhaging - and it just makes me realize you don't follow this stuff (no harm if you don't) because you'd know Windows phones are dead last with a tiny market share. That Windows Xbox integration isn't persuading people. MSFT hoped they would. Just like they got involved with a lot of deals regarding Xbone. Unfortunately for them, that isn't panning well for them. How's the Surface doing?

Also, you don't pay a license fee to publish on Windows or using DirectX. About the only good thing Microsoft is doing is just that - not charging. Because if they did, you'd see some kind of Linux/OpenGL resurgence greater than what Valve and crew are trying to do.

When Microsoft did try to charge on the PC platform (Xbox Gold for Windows, anyone remember that?) it exploded in their face, they got demonized for it, and frankly I doubt they ever recovered. Where is GFLW as a platform now? Oh, yeah, basically discontinued.

You are right about losing money on a console isn't a bad thing (this is how consoles work after all, so duh). What is bad is giving away free games, huge price cuts, removing hardware you totted as a defining feature, and well...all before being on the market 1 year. You think MSFT did all this because it was a great business move? Don't kid yourself.

Lol you can check on your gamerscore and access your Xbox from any smartphone using smart glass. I use it often to access my one guide when watching TV. It is much better than using my harmony remote or xb1 controller and going through the menu that blocks the picture on the TV.

What I find surprising is that Microsoft isn't leveraging windows 8.1, surface, Xbox, and windows phone as a single entity. When you have an app on one it works on the other and syncs automatically. Something to bring a little interest and excitement to their platforms when used together. Maybe this isn't technically feasible. I do think that Microsoft would be in a better position in their gaming division if they offered an Xbox game store on windows platforms and all the Xbox games were available exclusively on that store. They could even release a box made by another manufacturer to their specifications that runs a version of windows 8 and has the capabilities to play all the games on the Xbox game store with some type of auto configuration for people. They would open up their games to more users since anyone running windows can use the game store, and they would still retain control of their IPs. Plus I think they would be raking in money with very little cost to them. This won't happen and it is just my pie in the sky idea.
 

Drako

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I was thinking of using my BTC stockpile to get an XB1 eventually. I swore there was an article about a Halo bundle coming out, or am I making things up? Not really interested in the current bundles, but would like to pick something up in the near future.

Halo: The Master Chief Collection is supposed to come out in November. It will include Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo 4.
 

cmdrdredd

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Halo: The Master Chief Collection is supposed to come out in November. It will include Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo 4.
Yep that's probably what he saw. Some people think they will release a console bundle that includes this collection.
 

Skel

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Most of these companies only do the pom-pom waiving when they are "breaking records" or have more good than bad to report (just read MSFT/Sony spin articles for a bad NPR - "we've sold 30 million Xboxes/Playstation [notice the plural, ie they are dumping all their products into one]" or my personal favorite "over 300 million hours have been played on our networks." Ohhh that's so exiting!!! Haha.

You got to read their financial reports, which they can't spin/lie on because, well, that's illegal. Quarterly reports are a good method to see how well the units are selling.

End of the day this makes no difference and just playing what you like is the end goal. Why I own all the consoles/handhelds. Games > Flag waiving. However, this is the first console launch since I've been old enough to buy consoles on my own where I've felt completely unimpressed. But that's just me.



Honest question - how many people do you personally know that chose a Windows phone over an Android/Apple just because of the notion of "I can keep track of my gamerscore! Awesome!!" Just curious. I know two people with Windows phones, and they are work related, not personal (their personal phones are iPhones.)

There is a reason Microsoft's CE division is hemorrhaging - and it just makes me realize you don't follow this stuff (no harm if you don't) because you'd know Windows phones are dead last with a tiny market share. That Windows Xbox integration isn't persuading people. MSFT hoped they would. Just like they got involved with a lot of deals regarding Xbone. Unfortunately for them, that isn't panning well for them. How's the Surface doing?

Also, you don't pay a license fee to publish on Windows or using DirectX. About the only good thing Microsoft is doing is just that - not charging. Because if they did, you'd see some kind of Linux/OpenGL resurgence greater than what Valve and crew are trying to do.

When Microsoft did try to charge on the PC platform (Xbox Gold for Windows, anyone remember that?) it exploded in their face, they got demonized for it, and frankly I doubt they ever recovered. Where is GFLW as a platform now? Oh, yeah, basically discontinued.

You are right about losing money on a console isn't a bad thing (this is how consoles work after all, so duh). What is bad is giving away free games, huge price cuts, removing hardware you totted as a defining feature, and well...all before being on the market 1 year. You think MSFT did all this because it was a great business move? Don't kid yourself.

I get those as I own the stock, but I don't see them in there. I must not be getting the right one as they normally point out where things are lagging, but I've not once seen the Xbox on there.. take that back, saw it once when they announced they were launching, and that was all it said, they were launching the One.

Again, I'm not saying they are or are not making money. I'm just asking for these hard numbers people are using to say why the One blows.
 

purbeast0

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Lol saw all these new replies and it turns out to be the monthly atcg console war discussion

Glad I'm fortunate enough to buy what I want to buy and not worry about justifying my purchase on the Internet to a bunch of strangers and can enjoy my toys.
 
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rockyct

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Lol you can check on your gamerscore and access your Xbox from any smartphone using smart glass. I use it often to access my one guide when watching TV. It is much better than using my harmony remote or xb1 controller and going through the menu that blocks the picture on the TV.

What I find surprising is that Microsoft isn't leveraging windows 8.1, surface, Xbox, and windows phone as a single entity. When you have an app on one it works on the other and syncs automatically. Something to bring a little interest and excitement to their platforms when used together. Maybe this isn't technically feasible. I do think that Microsoft would be in a better position in their gaming division if they offered an Xbox game store on windows platforms and all the Xbox games were available exclusively on that store. They could even release a box made by another manufacturer to their specifications that runs a version of windows 8 and has the capabilities to play all the games on the Xbox game store with some type of auto configuration for people. They would open up their games to more users since anyone running windows can use the game store, and they would still retain control of their IPs. Plus I think they would be raking in money with very little cost to them. This won't happen and it is just my pie in the sky idea.

There is a lot of background work underway to make most of this happen already. The Xbox One is running on the NT kernel and probably will be opened up to allow some of the same Metro apps that currently run on Win8/WinRT. I doubt major console titles will ever be in the Metro app store, but it could be a good path for independent games to end up on the Xbox. Microsoft is merging the APIs between Win8/WinRT and Windows Phone 8 so that in the next version of Windows (probably coming out next spring), the app stores will be the same. You'll buy an app once and it will run on your desktop/tablet/phone. That will also be extended to the Xbox One but it doesn't seem like all apps will be allowed.
 

Anteaus

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Again, I'm not saying they are or are not making money. I'm just asking for these hard numbers people are using to say why the One blows.

There are no hard numbers that reveal that. You have a bunch of people trying to find gotchas all over the internet as if it somehow changes relativistic thinking. They equate raw numbers with inherent worth to the individual. The PS4 is the more powerful console, but anyone who says that specs automatically make it better is just trolling. Now, five years from now there might be vindication if the PS4 has more critically successful games and a strong online record. I'm still waiting on the DLNA and external drive support they've promised us. In contrast, MS has dropped the Kinect/price and added external drive support. In total it's a crap shoot for the moment.

People keep talking about the Xbox division as if it is the summation of all MS gaming but it is only one division under many that make up Microsoft Studios. They fail to talk about the crazy profits that Microsoft Studios made as a whole from the sales of Xbox games, such as Halo and Gears of War. Is it bad that the Xbox division is losing money? Yes. Does it rattle the foundation of the house? No. Up until the last few months, Sony had been running their Playstation division at a loss for close to a decade. They balance their checkbook and suddenly they are hailed as righteous and great?

For myself, our corporation has OPCO's that run at a deficit sometimes because we need the markets they are in. I can't imagine MS would allow the Xbox division to run at a deficit unless they felt it created a foundation that they could use to push their more profitable ventures. I would assume there could be tax benefits also.
 
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KentState

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Yep that's probably what he saw. Some people think they will release a console bundle that includes this collection.

Probably will wait to see if they do have a bundle. With Forza and Titan Fall both having one, I'm sure there will be something.
 

railven

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I get those as I own the stock, but I don't see them in there. I must not be getting the right one as they normally point out where things are lagging, but I've not once seen the Xbox on there.. take that back, saw it once when they announced they were launching, and that was all it said, they were launching the One.

Again, I'm not saying they are or are not making money. I'm just asking for these hard numbers people are using to say why the One blows.

Do you sit in for the conference calls too? You should be getting a transcript within a week or two if you aren't sitting in for the calls. [Disclaimer: I don't directly own Microsoft stock.]

A lot of the information is buried in the inventory logs. It isn't exact, for example we have 998,102 units unsold but the wording is more along the lines of "3,500 shipped, 4,200 manufactured, 500 to 600 in transit". That isn't word for word what it said, but similar.

Microsoft isn't dying or doing bad as a whole, and I don't think anyone has said/hinted to that. But is is clear if you follow Microsoft, they haven't done jack shit with their CE division. I don't even understand how anyone could defend their ventures from the failed WebTV to the now poorly received Surface Pro. We're on Surface revision 3 and we're still not seeing iPad/Samsung Note type of sales.

Anteaus' post makes a good commentary on how successful the software IPs are (you know, Microsoft, the software is the big money maker), but that is always offset by how poor the hardware does. So it's always a "we've sold 300 trillion copies of Halo, have over 17 billion registered active Xbox Live accounts" and all that makes diddle-squat when "but we've lost 1.5 billion due to RROD" and "slow sales of Xbone and R&D cost are keeping us from generating a profit for this quarter".

Microsoft has nothing to fear, their business and enterprise divisions will continue to rake in billions of dollars. So it isn't like MSFT can't sustain the bleeding. Yet, it always baffles me when people openly post "MSFT is amazing and are killing it in console sales." Sure, they're selling millions of units, but are still making NOTHING from it when you look at the whole division. EDIT: And for the record, it is these divisions that make Windows a monopoly, not "because of DirectX gaming, they are selling their licenses to everyone." Developers only target Windows because business/enterprise as a whole makes up like 85-86% of the PC ecosystem. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn't. It's already there for them to cater too. It has nothing to do with "Microsoft is a leader in PC gaming." If you follow PC gaming, you'd understand how unhappy the industry is with Microsoft.

Sony is even easier since their whole goddamn business is in ruins. If not for their Playstation (SCEI) division they'd probably be long gone. But, one division does not a company make (or one division does not a company break).

End of the day: they are both doing bad, one is just doing better in selling consoles, one has nothing to worry about not selling consoles.
 
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cmdrdredd

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Faulty analog sticks.

So I've replaced my controller once for the left analog stick popping out of position. Through normal use the stick will seem to pop up as if you pulled on it. It will feel like it pops back down after another movement is performed with it. I'm on my 2nd controller and this time it's out of warranty. It also feels a little bit like the two halves of the controller are loose and will separate. The other controller I have doesn't do this. I have a day one edition controller with this problem now and MS wants $70 to replace it as they only warranty it for 90 days. A google search brings up threads on xbox.com and other forums with similar issues with analog sticks becoming loose or popping out of place. I could take it back to gamestop since I have their warranty and get a replacement on the spot but it won't be a day one controller. Some people wouldn't care but I like the chrome D-Pad and day one edition logo on the face.

Has anyone else had this issue that I seem to have? Also does anyone think I should fight MS to try getting another Day One without paying $70 (ridiculous price) for it? The controller basically looks new so it's clearly not abuse or anything of the sort and it can't be "normal" wear and tear as I've never experienced this with another controller. All the way back to the PS1 days I haven't seen analog sticks that seem to slip and pop. It doesn't affect function yet but I fear it may if I let it get worse. Was playing Fifa and you really use the left analog stick a lot in that game with quick flicks to change direction etc.

bad luck
 
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Anteaus

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Faulty analog sticks.

So I've replaced my controller once for the left analog stick popping out of position. Through normal use the stick will seem to pop up as if you pulled on it. It will feel like it pops back down after another movement is performed with it. I'm on my 2nd controller and this time it's out of warranty. It also feels a little bit like the two halves of the controller are loose and will separate. The other controller I have doesn't do this. I have a day one edition controller with this problem now and MS wants $70 to replace it as they only warranty it for 90 days. A google search brings up threads on xbox.com and other forums with similar issues with analog sticks becoming loose or popping out of place. I could take it back to gamestop since I have their warranty and get a replacement on the spot but it won't be a day one controller. Some people wouldn't care but I like the chrome D-Pad and day one edition logo on the face.

Has anyone else had this issue that I seem to have? Also does anyone think I should fight MS to try getting another Day One without paying $70 (ridiculous price) for it? The controller basically looks new so it's clearly not abuse or anything of the sort and it can't be "normal" wear and tear as I've never experienced this with another controller. All the way back to the PS1 days I haven't seen analog sticks that seem to slip and pop. It doesn't affect function yet but I fear it may if I let it get worse. Was playing Fifa and you really use the left analog stick a lot in that game with quick flicks to change direction etc.

bad luck

Yeah that really sucks. I haven't had any such problems with my XB1 controller, but I may not have as many hours on mine. Unfortunately, teething issues will happen with a new design so you might end up a guinea pig for a later revision. My friend tends to be aggressive with his controllers and he will go through 2-3 before I have issues.

These things usually start showing up in the first year. If there is an issue MS will probably do a silent fix. There is a minority of PS4 users reporting premature stick wear so you aren't alone in launch controller purgatory.
 

cmdrdredd

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I did mention in the other thread that my PS4 analog stick is feeling slick, like some of the texture is starting to wear a bit. It's not that bad and usually wiping it off will get it to feel grippy again.

I may end up just bringing this back to gamestop and let them swap it. I don't think MS will care and will want me to pay $70 for the day one controller, claiming I broke it by being hard on it or something like that. I have an Xbox 360 controller that is probably 10 years old (wired version) that I used on my PC for a long time and it never had any of these issues. It did wear down on the rubber but no popping or odd function. I'll have to settle for the normal XB1 controller as replacement.
 
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smackababy

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cmdrdredd, if you want to play some friendlies on Fifa, you can add me. I play close to every day, even if most of it is FUT.
 

cmdrdredd

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I'm not very comfortable with the game yet. I am not really a soccer fan so I don't know all the formations and the ins and outs of the game like I do baseball or hockey. Although soccer isn't that far off from hockey, I seem to get a lot of calls for offsides because of the fluid line. In hockey I see the blue line, in soccer I don't have a real reference so I end up way behind the defenders at times lol

Anyway when I get to feel better with the game sure. I have only played a couple hours. Ended up partying more than playing games this weekend.
 

smackababy

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Do the skills trainer. It is wonderful for getting the basic feel of the controls and the moves required. The get quite hard, but it's worth doing it. You will get a lot better.

The formations are from back defenders to forwards; for example, a 4-3-3 would mean 4 defenders in front of the goalie, 3 mid fielders, and 3 forwards. Offside is really something that you will get a feel for eventually. I still get a couple a game, but I am always trying to get players to make runs and the player I am controlling will take an extra second to pass it forward.
 

Lil Frier

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I think we are talking more about the end of 2015 and beyond. I agree with you about the currently released titles. Further, I believe that neither console is worth the price of admission today if based purely on game availability. Forza 5 was a strong draw for me for the XB1 and I bit, but if I hadn't had an abnormally good month with extra spending money I would never have bought it for the solitary game.

Personally, I think the turning point will come with Destiny in September, and to a lesser extent Diablo 3 in August. Destiny will drive sales on both sides and even with the PS4 timed-exclusives, the XB1 should see a noticeable bump. Even then, this year will be about multiplatform titles; therefore, either console will be favorable. Next year is when the first party exclusives start getting released and/or announced and where things matter more gamewise as a point of distinction.

Maybe, maybe not. I mean, I can look at the entirety of the PS3's existence, and I can honestly say that the only titles that ever caught my attention were The Show (but I was more than fine with MLB 2K), Kingdom Hearts (which I wish would get a compilation on the One), and Resistance (because I primarily play shooters, and it looked decent). I'm not big on the RPG/fantasy stuff that Sony uses to appeal to the Japanese market, nor am I big on the Splinter Cell/Metal Gear Solid stealth stuff. Uncharted and The Last of Us never intrigued me in the slightest, though the latter was partially because I had already written off Sony for the generation (nearing the end of the PS3's life cycle, and I was looking towards PC upgrades an a One). Even then, when I had a PS2, it was Kingdom Hearts and MVP Baseball, not much else.

So part of it is that the overall lineups aren't great now, but the other part of it is that Sony's historically failed to get my interest in their stuff. I don't know why it is, but I'm sure a big thing is that I like having the ability to share experiences with my peers (friends and family), and those people (mostly at my suggestion) are on the Microsoft side, with no real interest in having a second console. I game WAY more than most, and more than I should, but I can say that even with the dearth of console games out now, I have MORE than enough to entertain me between Mario Kart (Fridays and Sundays at my sister's, where I keep my Wii U), Civ V and PAYDAY 2 (PC), and Titanfall (One). I'm just not a person who plays a lot of games at one time, usually 1-2 per-platform at most, so adding the PS4 to my lineup would just be another barely-touched box.
 

Lil Frier

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Agreed, my complaint is that it's rather lacking in content. You've got all of the tracks unlocked in the first couple of days, then all of the characters and customizations are done in a week or less, and this is with a few hours on Fridays and Sundays only (keep my Wii U at my sister's). Still plenty of cups to beat (3 or 4 on 100CC before moving to 150CC), but I still feel like the game's a bit on the redundant side.

Meanwhile, got Wind Waker as my free game, and was bored after 10 minutes. I hate games with the terribly-slow tutorials like that, because I get so bored and never want to go back. That, and it sucks how they made Tropical Freeze 2-player max, as I got my Wii U to play with my sister and brother-in-law, meaning someone has to be absent to enjoy that game.

Nintendo's got a REAL problem with making short games, and it's disappointing. NSMBU was WAY too easy with the Boost Mode present, though we have to go back for the big coins still. Even then, took only a few weeks to beat it.
 

dagamer34

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Lol you can check on your gamerscore and access your Xbox from any smartphone using smart glass. I use it often to access my one guide when watching TV. It is much better than using my harmony remote or xb1 controller and going through the menu that blocks the picture on the TV.

What I find surprising is that Microsoft isn't leveraging windows 8.1, surface, Xbox, and windows phone as a single entity. When you have an app on one it works on the other and syncs automatically. Something to bring a little interest and excitement to their platforms when used together. Maybe this isn't technically feasible. I do think that Microsoft would be in a better position in their gaming division if they offered an Xbox game store on windows platforms and all the Xbox games were available exclusively on that store. They could even release a box made by another manufacturer to their specifications that runs a version of windows 8 and has the capabilities to play all the games on the Xbox game store with some type of auto configuration for people. They would open up their games to more users since anyone running windows can use the game store, and they would still retain control of their IPs. Plus I think they would be raking in money with very little cost to them. This won't happen and it is just my pie in the sky idea.

Xbox One isn't running Windows 8.1 core OS yet. We're not going to see that until the "Threshold" wave of OS releases in Spring 2015 (Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox updated all at once). Though I would not be surprised if we see an early preview of what they are working on before the end of the year.
 

cmdrdredd

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Xbox One isn't running Windows 8.1 core OS yet. We're not going to see that until the "Threshold" wave of OS releases in Spring 2015 (Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox updated all at once). Though I would not be surprised if we see an early preview of what they are working on before the end of the year.

I didn't say it was running 8.1. I said I am surprised that they didn't already take advantage of a combined ecosystem.
 

rockyct

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I didn't say it was running 8.1. I said I am surprised that they didn't already take advantage of a combined ecosystem.

To be honest, it seems like both the XB1 and the PS4 were released about 6-12 months too early because they both seemed a bit half baked at first. Combine that with having to quickly undo the Steam-like features of the Xbox and overall goals like running Metro apps is going to be delayed a bit. You also have to remember that Win 8.1 was a complete turn around from the path they were going on so making Win 8.1 desktop friendly was the priority. Basically, they were too busy course correcting Windows and Xbox to have time to merge the APIs by launch.

Threshold is going to be pretty exciting though and the possibility of having an app store on the XB1 could be awesome. Most of the mobile apps wouldn't be all that useful and probably wouldn't be allowed on, but apps like Plex (which I guess is coming no matter what) could make the Xbox an amazing media device.
 

Pheran

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Threshold is going to be pretty exciting though and the possibility of having an app store on the XB1 could be awesome. Most of the mobile apps wouldn't be all that useful and probably wouldn't be allowed on, but apps like Plex (which I guess is coming no matter what) could make the Xbox an amazing media device.

I don't believe for one second that Plex is ever going to happen via Microsoft on an Xbox. Hell, if they did that I'd seriously consider buying one, but all the console companies have always sucked when it comes to allowing a decent media player. They want to lock you into their shitty DRM-infected video stores. That's why I'm going to build an HTPC.
 
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