Games are tied to your account, not to your console.
Steam has no used games, plenty of people still buy them (even outside steam sales, shocking). :whiste:
I've read that XBox one couples a game to a console and hence re-selling or buying from ebay is impossible. Is that true?
basically a no-go for me as I buying used games usually saves you at least 50% on price...
Games are tied to your account, not to your console.
Steam has no used games, plenty of people still buy them (even outside steam sales, shocking). :whiste:
People buy Steam games for MSRP? News to me. I don't remember the last time I payed $60 for a PC game. Actually I don't remember the last time I payed more than 40$ for anything on Steam.
If you are on the same console you are still good to go.So they might as well toss away the family Xbox live deal.
I think this is a really poor idea. I know what they are "trying" to do but just like their removal of the start button in Server 2012 they forgot to ask the real world how they use these systems. When I buy a game my wife and I both like she logs into her profile and plays it and gets all her own stuff, when I play I get mine.. so now my wife has to play on my profile or we pay 2x for the game? oops.
What about members of my family on the same console?
YES. If a game is installed on a console, anybody who uses that console can play it through that console's parental controls. But what we don't know is how many accounts this will apply to: four? Five? Two?
Bottom line: you can only share games if your accounts are on the same console and parental controls are set up to do so.
No offense intended, but do you ever stop talking about Sony? This is not a thread about their products. Or Nintendo's for that matter.True...
Still with Sony championing indie devs self publish and Microsoft offering no option it perhaps will cause a bit of a shift toward the PS4 for gamers. I mean if all the best underground games come out on PS4, everyone will want one.
Thinking on it, Nintendo is looking more and more like the ones who really care about the Video Game Industry (along with Sony in many ways). Nintendo lives off of gamers and nothing else that I know of. Sony's only profitable sector is Sony Computer Entertainment and the playstation brand. Microsoft has their hands in a lot of things and if the xbox just fell flat, they would be ok selling office and Windows. Suddenly Nintendo doesn't look so foolish by using this year to focus on software if they want to keep the industry going. It looks like Microsoft shifting focus away from games will be a boost for them among people who already have a Cable Box, a DVR, a Blu-Ray Player and don't care about watching TV on their game console. So I'm not going to claim that the gaming industry is taking a nose dive here.
No offense intended, but do you ever stop talking about Sony? This is not a thread about their products. Or Nintendo's for that matter.
And in response to this post: I agree with some of the industry observers and pros I have been reading comments from. News of the Xboxone's death are being greatly exaggerated. Microsoft is dominate in North America. E3 is only weeks away, and the focus there will be games. Once they fill in the blanks, and address the biggest concerns people have, we can decide whether to get out the shovels or not. It will become one of the company's greatest blunders to date, if they screw up their market hold here.
People buy Steam games for MSRP? News to me. I don't remember the last time I payed $60 for a PC game. Actually I don't remember the last time I payed more than 40$ for anything on Steam.
I find the wailing and gnashing of teeth over XBL and an internet connection odd as well. The entire console industry is in a downturn, and the new gen consoles are exactly what the dr. ordered for getting people to part with their money. But, if I judged the 360's sales by the number of people that have sworn off XBL in the forums I read. I'd be inclined to think that the console is in last place in sales. And way behind at that. Yet the latest sales number show it leading sales for over 2 straight years Curious that.
The lesson here, is the vocal minority that are dissatisfied always make the most noise. And as to XBL, a good percentage of the 360s being sold will be used with a gold membership. Meaning they have a broadband connection. On the downside, how many of the sales are due to people replacing older bricked models?
As long as they DO NOT require me to sign some BS two year contract of Xbox live (which I will not do), I could care less if they force me to be online or not. My slight beef with it is this: if my net goes down, let's say for three days, suddenly I can't play a single player RPG or something? That's an issue. Otherwise meh.
With each subsequent console generation there's an undercurrent of fear, a concern that this will be the cycle that finally kills off something many hold near and dear: the used game. Though these scratched-up disks and carts are often overprized and come with incomplete or unfortunately creased manuals, they're still better value than the shrink-wrapped titles.
With the announcement of the current next-generation of consoles the discontent raised again. Is the axe about to drop on the used video game market? Is this the iteration that will prevent you from borrowing something from a friend? Not if Microsoft has anything to say about it. The Xbox One does support used games and it does support game sharing -- but the details are in some cases a bit murky. Join us after the break for an exploration of what we know.
#1 - Buying and selling of used games is supported
Yes, you can play used games. Yes, you can buy used games and, therefore, it's reasonable to conclude that you can sell them too. It was postulated that you would have to pay some sort of activation fee to Microsoft to re-enable those used games, but Microsoft seems to be trying to dispel that thought. Exactly how it works still remains to be seen. "It's going to be different than the way we currently do it," Albert Penello, senior director of product planning at Microsoft told us. "We'll get into more specifics later."
#2 - Games are installed in the background while you play
Just pop the disc in and start playing and the game will start installing while you play. No need to hit the Y button and go through any other theatrics.
#3 - You can play installed games without the disc
Sick of sitting through the full game install on the Xbox 360, only to still have to get up and put the disc in every time you want to play it? So was everyone at Microsoft, as it turns out. "That feature, the ability to play games off the hard drive, was one of the first things we wrote down when we started to talk about next-gen," said Penello. So, yes, once you install the game, you can put the disc on the shelf and forget about it. But, presumably, you can't just sell the disc and still keep playing the game.
So, how does that work? At a minimum, each game disc must have some sort of unique ID associated to your account. "Your Xbox account will tie you to your game," said Penello. That ID must, therefore, be somehow disassociated from your account before you can sell the thing. Unfortunately, this is where things start getting murky. "We'll get into more specifics later," Penello told us again, a common chant that hopefully will change when we get to E3 in a few weeks time.
#4 - You can download games that were purchased on disc
Here's an interesting situation. What happens if you want to play a game you own on a friends console? You will, Penello says, have "the ability to go over to your friends house, download your save game, or even download your game to his Xbox and pick up where you left off." So, not only will your game saves be stored in the cloud, your entire game library will be and you'll be able to download it from anywhere.
#5 - Offline gameplay is supported
That all your game saves are in the cloud is a nice step forward, but what if you're offline? Can you still access those game saves? Can you still play your games? Yes, you can. Games will work offline without an issue and game saves will sync transparently when you reconnect, Penello told us. However, some games that make use of Microsoft's online services may not be playable offline. That will be up to developers.
#6 - You can share games with those in your "household"
Another use-case we threw Penello's way: what if your spouse or child signs in to the family's Xbox One and wants to play a game that is associated with your account? Will they have to buy it themselves? "Certainly we've accounted for family members in the household being able to play games." Exactly how? That, again, remains to be seen. Only 19 days until E3...
I'm betting you'll be able to download a game digitally an infinite number of times even if you purchased it originally in a retail store on a disc once you tie it to your Xbox Live account just like steam. That by itself would make all of this no used game stuff completely worth it.
I'd listen to the Wired Game|Life podcast, they have a lot of exclusive info that they haven't written up on the web yet: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/gamelife-podcast-xbox-one/
They've already said you'll be allowed to do that. The thing is that if "single-player" games still integrate into the cloud somehow, you would expect to be online.
Everyone knows in the future that every game will be online in some fashion whether it's 10, 20, or 50 years in the future (at some point, not having true high-speed Internet will be a joke). Question is how you eventually transition to that. The answer: slowly. It's somewhat akin to Xbox Live requiring broadband back in 2002 when a LOT of people had dial-up and Microsoft just said "tough cookies". Was that a bad decision then? I personally don't know, I never had an Xbox and didn't get high-speed Internet until 2005. First online gaming experience was 2008
They said I'd have to check in online once a day or something. Being a business man myself, that means "you're online or you don't play."
We are not exactly sure how often it has to phone home. They have stated that having your connection interrupted will not impact single player games that don't require online (that is at the developers discretion), blu-ray playback, or live TV.
People will buy them anyway. I've given up hoping that the market will put a stop to stuff like this. It won't.
I can't wait for the first hack to remotely view someone's Kinect feed. RAWR!
we aren't sure, but it came from the mouth of people high up at MS that it will be at least once every 24 hours.
I understand your hesitation to always online games. But D3 was made to be a multiplayer game and from what I've read SimCity was supposed to be as well. SimCity was supposed to integrate other cities in a region to form a real economy of trade and tourism. However, the devs fell short of such lofty goals.<snip about always online>
Ok, I can't understand how Microsoft putting a camera and microphone in your living room, which you have no control over, doesn't freak more people out.
Perhaps there will be absolutely no way for it to be remote hacked. Perhaps no one at microsoft will ever abuse it, or even be able to abuse this.
Even so, I STILL DON'T WANT THIS
Paranoid? I'll admit it. Proud of it. I'm sure I'm quite irrational about it. But this stance is not changing.
Right now, it's still up to Microsoft and Sony to wow me. Microsoft will need to change quite a bit (or at the least, clarify things in a way that I like) to keep me as a customer. Sony will have to prove to me that they aren't planning any shenanigans like what Microsoft appears to be planning in order to keep my money. Sony currently has the lead at the moment, mostly because all this is still unknown for them.
If the Xbox One is as bad as I think it will be, and Sony ends up following suit...the Wii U will suddenly look like a real winner to be. And thats sad, because up to this point, I've always owned all systems, and thought all of them were valid gaming sytems. If I turn into a 1 system household, there will be 1 more sad clown on this planet.
And yeah, I rambled on way to long. Sorry.