The Official Xbox One Thread

[blackdogdeek]

there is no doubt that ms has lost lots of sales...

because its console cost an extra $100 at launch. The first time Xbox One sales outpaced PS4 sales was November 2014, when MS slashed prices to below Sony's prices during the Black Friday season.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...streak-sells-1-2-million-consoles-in-november

 

[vi edit]

Yep, price is what got me to bite. That and peer pressure. I grabbed the Newegg deal for the AC Bundle @ $350 + 1 year of live + free controller. Not a bad bargain.

Plus all my friends are on XB1, not PS4.

"Performance" means very little to me, and frankly to a lot of people. That's why people buy consoles and not a PC game. Performance shouldn't matter. It's about the games, the ecosystem, and other functionality. I bought my PS3 and used it almost entirely for a media streaming box and Blu Ray player. It was awesome for that. For any games that were cross platform titles I always defaulted to the Xbox simply because I think the XB360 is one of the best controllers ever made. I hated gaming on the PS3 ones.

 

[sze5003]

I'll also say reason I got one was price even though I paid full price for a ps4.

The $350 deal with two games, and a year of live from best buy, then all my discounts I paid a little over $150 for a new x1. Couldn't say no to that deal and it gave me a reason to retire the ps3 as the streaming box in the living room.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't see anything particularly bold about it. There has been a lot of energy devoted to comparing the relative speed of the consoles. Why? Because people care.

you are the one that made the claim that ms lost sales to ps4 due to power - i'm asking for your proof of this claim. it's really not a hard concept.

and i know you won't have any proof, because there is no proof for it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

you are the one that made the claim that ms lost sales to ps4 due to power - i'm asking for your proof of this claim. it's really not a hard concept.



and i know you won't have any proof, because there is no proof for it.

No but those who look at forums and such probably read about how the ps4 is more powerful at some point. It probably did away a couple buyers.

 

[purbeast0]

No but those who look at forums and such probably read about how the ps4 is more powerful at some point. It probably did away a couple buyers.

wow a couple buyers out of 10+ million. those are some astronomical numbers.

 

[tynopik]

you are the one that made the claim that ms lost sales to ps4 due to power - i'm asking for your proof of this claim. it's really not a hard concept.

and i know you won't have any proof, because there is no proof for it.

there is no proof (available publicly anyways) because we aren't granted access to that sort of information

however every comparison of the systems mentions the performance difference, and prominently

this is not some obscure talking point

to pretend that doesn't have a (measurable) impact on sales would be hopelessly naive

if you want to pretend that just because we aren't granted access to internal market research that it's not real, well, i guess that's your right, but don't expect to persuade everyone else from the plainly obvious fact that performance matters to a decent segment of the population.

 

[chimaxi83]

I don't see anything particularly bold about it. There has been a lot of energy devoted to comparing the relative speed of the consoles. Why? Because people care.



Believe it or not, there are people who haven't played all the franchises and don't have particular favorites.

There are also people whose favorite franchise has been released on both consoles. Which one to get? The one it performs better on of course . . .

The only people that care about console specs are gamefaqs and neogaf fanboy tards that argue all day about PS4 roxorz or Xbox pwns.

 

[purbeast0]

there is no proof (available publicly anyways) because we aren't granted access to that sort of information

however every comparison of the systems mentions the performance difference, and prominently

this is not some obscure talking point

to pretend that doesn't have a (measurable) impact on sales would be hopelessly naive

if you want to pretend that just because we aren't granted access to internal market research that it's not real, well, i guess that's your right, but don't expect to persuade everyone else from the plainly obvious fact that performance matters to a decent segment of the population.

if the difference in graphics mattered as much as you think they do, then consoles wouldn't exist because pc is leaps and bounds above any console out there.

i mean, if people didn't care about exclusives at all and want multiplatform games only (one of the subsets you mentioned earlier after i talked about the games mattering more) on the best looking platform, they will go buy a pc.

The only people that care about console specs are gamefaqs and neogaf fanboy tards that argue all day about PS4 roxorz or Xbox pwns.

if you pause at exactly the 32nd frame at time 1:09 of battlefield 4 and blow it up 4x resolution, on ps4 you will see ball hair but on xbox1 it just looks like a blur. no details at all on xbox1 brah.

 

[vi edit]

If it was all about pure performance and hardware specs then Nintendo has no right selling as many consoles and handhelds as they have.

 

[cmdrdredd]

wow a couple buyers out of 10+ million. those are some astronomical numbers.

No need to be sarcastic and defensive about it.

The only people that care about console specs are gamefaqs and neogaf fanboy tards that argue all day about PS4 roxorz or Xbox pwns.

Not true, I worked retail for many years and the most asked question for new console buyers was "which has the best graphics?" and if you tell them "this one has more power" that's the one they will buy unless there is a specific game that they must get that is not available elsewhere.

If it was all about pure performance and hardware specs then Nintendo has no right selling as many consoles and handhelds as they have.

We're talking about losing sales based on performance alone which has undoubtedly happened. How many times, we don't know. We are not talking about a company offering niche exclusives and selling based on that.

 

[purbeast0]

No need to be sarcastic and defensive about it.

lol pot meet kettle.

 

[cmdrdredd]

lol pot meet kettle.

You're the only one I see making snide remarks in this conversation.

You have to realize that it's true, that there have been people who look at the forums and gaming news and see that the PS4 has more potential and they bought it for that reason.

 

[blackdogdeek]

We're talking about losing sales based on performance alone which has undoubtedly happened. How many times, we don't know.

This is the point purbeast is making. His response was directed toward the claim that there was "no doubt that MS lost lots of sales". The claim was not backed by any numbers. As such, we can't know if it was "lots of sales" or a negligible amount of sales.

 

[cmdrdredd]

This is the point purbeast is making. His response was directed toward the claim that there was "no doubt that MS lost lots of sales". The claim was not backed by any numbers. As such, we can't know if it was "lots of sales" or a negligible amount of sales.

All I can say for sure is that there were some that bought a PS4 because it boasted better numbers under the hood and that it's not going to be enough to justify a new sku because of it.

 

[tynopik]

semi-related article:
http://news5live.com/xbox-one-readi...ller-node-help-it-match-the-ps4s-performance/

 

[purbeast0]

All I can say for sure is that there were some that bought a PS4 because it boasted better numbers under the hood and that it's not going to be enough to justify a new sku because of it.

and there were also people who bought the ps4 because it was smaller than the xbox one, and people who bought it because it has no power brick.

and there are people who bought the xbox one because they like the controller better, or because they like xbox live better.

who gives a flying f about any of those because there is no way to back it up with numbers. we could make up any statistic and say that is why one system sold more than the other for any reason. it's dumb.

but again, if specs mattered to people as much as some think, those people would go buy a pc instead of either console because pc owns consoles in specs.

 

[purbeast0]

semi-related article:
http://news5live.com/xbox-one-readi...ller-node-help-it-match-the-ps4s-performance/

yes, a 2 month old article on a non-gaming site is extremely relevant.

:thumbsup:

 

[cmdrdredd]

but again, if specs mattered to people as much as some think, those people would go buy a pc instead of either console because pc owns consoles in specs.

Nope and we have been over the reasons why.

 

[tynopik]

but again, if specs mattered to people as much as some think, those people would go buy a pc instead of either console because pc owns consoles in specs.

false equivalence

many people want the 'console experience' which PCs don't offer, period

so you want a console, now WHICH console do you get?

that is where the specs matter, not between console and pc but between console a and console b

yes, a 2 month old article on a non-gaming site is extremely relevant.

as an editorial on why they don't think MS should release a faster X1, it's points are just as valid now as they were then

do you disagree with the points they make? I figured you would happy with them.

 

[sze5003]

You can use a controller on a PC for some games but then again not everyone has the ability to have their PC connected in their living room or wants to sit at a computer.

Besides exclusives people also buy consoles because of the ease of use. I don't really care what people buy but I'm a techie so if you ask me which is more powerful I'm going to obviously say ps4..some of my friends take that into account and buy one others will go the xbox route because of game selection, previous console experience, etc.

Ps4 is more powerful but why do I own both? Because I want to be able to play any game that may interest me down the road. And because I got a killer deal otherwise I would have probably bought one used later.

 

[purbeast0]

false equivalence

many people want the 'console experience' which PCs don't offer, period

so you want a console, now WHICH console do you get?

that is where the specs matter, not between console and pc but between console a and console b

thanks for proving my point - the graphics aren't really that big a deal as you are making them out to be, therefore they won't deal with the inconvenience of a PC just to get the best graphics out there.

the graphics difference between ps4 and xbox1 is negligible for the majority of multiplatform games.

 

[007ELmO]

I've been purchasing PS4 multiplatform games solely because the graphics usually are better. Now for thsoe with only an X1 there isn't much to say there, but if you own both consoles why would you purchase an inferior versoin?

The resolutoin difference may or may not matter to you, but some games have had a framerate cut in half, which should be a fairly obvious difference.

 

[Bman123]

I'd take the ps4 version of a multi Plat game any day. Increased resolution can make a big difference. It did to me in battlefield 4

 

[sze5003]

Also depends on the size of your tv too when it comes down to resolutions.