The Official Xbox One Thread

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Arkaign

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Interesting, apparently the leaker is REALLY well known for getting things right before anyone else.

I actually kind of hope it's true, given Microsoft's policies and anti-gamer/anti-consumer stances. Go down in flames, Xbone, rise again next gen.
 

mizzou

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Interesting, apparently the leaker is REALLY well known for getting things right before anyone else.

I actually kind of hope it's true, given Microsoft's policies and anti-gamer/anti-consumer stances. Go down in flames, Xbone, rise again next gen.

What are their options? I hardly think down clocking is a realistic solution.

Changing the hardware would be....tantamount to practically redesigning the entire system
 

Arkaign

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Downclocking is an option, have to adjust the games, but that wouldn't be impossible at this point.

Could just tighten supply like crazy and deal with massive shortages.

I'm not really sure what's going on to be honest, Microsoft really needs to hit it out of the park at E3 or they're done before they're even out of the gate. I've never seen such a stream of self-inflicted chaos before at any console launch.
 

mizzou

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I've never seen such a stream of self-inflicted chaos before at any console launch.

All we will know is that the air in E3...will be thick with tension lol.

Just imagine Sony introducing their own version of used game nerfing or DRM...the crowd could get out of control! lol

imagine the nerd rampage. Wouldn't it be unusual to see the floor of E3 go into a ruckus, causing E3 to delay or stop?
 

KaOTiK

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MS is is basically putting out all the dirty laundry now so that it they can just show the highlights on the X1 at E3 and that is what the mass media will see. That is the only reason we got the info we did from them today, because there is nothing positive in those bullet points, Each one of those "features" has a negative of some sort.

Sony is in a very interesting position. They could make a big focus point of how they will not require internet access and allow games to be sold/traded/etc like they have been (both of which they confirmed) and basically turn that bad light right back at MS and get the media's attention on it. They could do this with minimal effort and time spent at their conference as a bullet point when they run down some of the features of the system.

In all my years of gaming (around 29 now), the X1 is the first console launch I am not excited for in any way, shape, or form. I've outright wanted a console to fail like I do this one as well. There is too much anti consumerism crap going on here to want to see this have success. If it does have success it is going to pave the road to screw us all over more so in the future.
 
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lupi

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Wow, so they get around the "fee" by preventing you from loaning a disc to anyone and greatly restricting private party sales by having a 30 day "friend" requirement along with bricking the disc after the first sale.

Lol
 

lupi

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And if that article is correct, sony saying no similar system instituted drm.

I've been saying for years I'd hope some console would try to go the PC like drm crap, and its turning out about how I'd expected. Only a shame that the first announcement going to hell so fast the others probably massively gunshy which will limit any cross platform revision in the c land.
 

purbeast0

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MS is is basically putting out all the dirty laundry now so that it they can just show the highlights on the X1 at E3 and that is what the mass media will see. That is the only reason we got the info we did from them today, because there is nothing positive in those bullet points, Each one of those "features" has a negative of some sort.

Sony is in a very interesting position. They could make a big focus point of how they will not require internet access and allow games to be sold/traded/etc like they have been (both of which they confirmed) and basically turn that bad light right back at MS and get the media's attention on it. They could do this with minimal effort and time spent at their conference as a bullet point when they run down some of the features of the system.

In all my years of gaming (around 29 now), the X1 is the first console launch I am not excited for in any way, shape, or form. I've outright wanted a console to fail like I do this one as well. There is too much anti consumerism crap going on here to want to see this have success. If it does have success it is going to pave the road to screw us all over more so in the future.

i will be VERY surprised if there isn't someway this negativity does not hit mainstream media at e3. but you do make a good point that MS probably isn't going to go into details in their keynote. like i don't even comprehend how they can spin it in a positive manner in a keynote speech. and i can see them talking about it, and the audience booing. i mean the audience claps and cheers when good games are shown, so i could definitely see the audience booing as well. could you imagine that - the audience booing MS at a keynote speech? that would definitely make mainstream media.

you also make a good point that sony could take some pot shots at MS during their keynote as well. personally i think that would be a very smart move to do that.
 

Golgatha

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In all my years of gaming (around 29 now), the X1 is the first console launch I am not excited for in any way, shape, or form. I've outright wanted a console to fail like I do this one as well. There is too much anti consumerism crap going on here to want to see this have success. If it does have success it is going to pave the road to screw us all over more so in the future.

I can't recall ever actively wanting a console to fail, but I am thinking along the same lines as you. I want this console to fail and fail in a monumental fashion. I don't want to go down the road they want gamers to go down any longer.
 

Nemesis13

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The company has now said in a statement that games can be traded in, but only at "participating retailers".

Games can be freely passed on to friends, Microsoft added, but only once.

"Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends," the statement said.

"There are no fees charged as part of these transfers.

"There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."
 

purbeast0

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The company has now said in a statement that games can be traded in, but only at "participating retailers".

Games can be freely passed on to friends, Microsoft added, but only once.

"Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends," the statement said.

"There are no fees charged as part of these transfers.

"There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."

yes, we've been discussing this for about 1/2 a day now.
 

American Gunner

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At this point, why stay with consoles? I get all the shitty DRM of PC games, but still have to pay higher prices for my games and pay for Xbox live. I can build a gaming rig for $700, and when all is said and done would probably break even when you consider the cost of gold. Plus, I can plug it in to my tv and use a wireless controller.
 

Nemesis13

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yes, we've been discussing this for about 1/2 a day now.

Lol my bad these damn treads go so fast its hard to keep up. In the long run I will own both consoles, but anyone who thinks Sony is not going to have something along the lines of M$ with the used games is delusional
 
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purbeast0

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Lol my bad these damn treads go so fast its hard to keep up. In the long run I will own both consoles, but anyone who thinks Sony is not going to have something along the lines of M$ with the used games is delusional

why would they be delusional? there has been 0 news pointing at it, and infact the exact opposite, coming from sony stating they ARENT doing it.

and it's a terrible TERRIBLE idea that is awful for consumers.

so why would one be delusional?
 

purbeast0

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At this point, why stay with consoles? I get all the shitty DRM of PC games, but still have to pay higher prices for my games and pay for Xbox live. I can build a gaming rig for $700, and when all is said and done would probably break even when you consider the cost of gold. Plus, I can plug it in to my tv and use a wireless controller.

hah yeah, the "convenience" that is a huge selling point on consoles for me seems to be getting further away now with the x1.

i won't be able to just go to redbox down the street and snag a game to play now.

i won't be able to play games without "installing" them.

i won't be able to play games without "registering" them to myself.

definitely going to be an interesting e3!!
 

American Gunner

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hah yeah, the "convenience" that is a huge selling point on consoles for me seems to be getting further away now with the x1.

i won't be able to just go to redbox down the street and snag a game to play now.

i won't be able to play games without "installing" them.

i won't be able to play games without "registering" them to myself.

definitely going to be an interesting e3!!
I really wonder if people will actually boo during MS's press conference.
 

lupi

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Remember, MS told you there would be no fee, they just left out the part where they bricked the disc, lol.
 

smackababy

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I really wonder if people will actually boo during MS's press conference.

Of course not. The issues are only problems to people on forums and the majority of people don't care. We see this with every "unpopular" position any gaming company takes. The internet gets all upset, and the game sells millions of copies. Remember the boycott Modern Warfare 2 garbage? "EA refuses to give PC gamers dedicated servers. Let's boycott their game." Yeah, well they all bought it anyway. Remember the D3 "outrage" about it being always online? Yeah, it sold 8.5 million copies outright plus another 1.5 million for the yearly WoW subscription deal. Remember the worst company in America vote? Yeah, EA beat out a company that illegally foreclosed on people and lost customers money with bad investments they didn't notify the customers about. Oh, but EA makes games I don't like, clearly they are a worse company.

The reality is most people don't care about used games, always online internet, and what console has the highest GPU clock or more theoretical memory throughput. They care about which console lets them play games and possibly have other entertainment value. They care about which game their friends will get. They care about actually playing games and not a bunch of what ifs.
 

purbeast0

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What makes you think they'll go anywhere near this subject at E3.

yeah if they were smart, they would totally dodge this subject in the keynote.

and if sony is smart, they would totally call this out in their keynote and talk about how they AREN'T doing it and be condescending about it, as if it would be any different, and rip into MS.

i mentioned in an above post that it would be hilarious if MS got boo'ed and i still hpoe they do, even if they don't mention it. i think they will HAVE to mention it though. like it will almost be worse press if they try to dodge the subject, because they were already getting panned by the media for dodging it at the reveal.
 

purbeast0

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Of course not. The issues are only problems to people on forums and the majority of people don't care. We see this with every "unpopular" position any gaming company takes. The internet gets all upset, and the game sells millions of copies. Remember the boycott Modern Warfare 2 garbage? "EA refuses to give PC gamers dedicated servers. Let's boycott their game." Yeah, well they all bought it anyway. Remember the D3 "outrage" about it being always online? Yeah, it sold 8.5 million copies outright plus another 1.5 million for the yearly WoW subscription deal. Remember the worst company in America vote? Yeah, EA beat out a company that illegally foreclosed on people and lost customers money with bad investments they didn't notify the customers about. Oh, but EA makes games I don't like, clearly they are a worse company.

The reality is most people don't care about used games, always online internet, and what console has the highest GPU clock or more theoretical memory throughput. They care about which console lets them play games and possibly have other entertainment value. They care about which game their friends will get. They care about actually playing games and not a bunch of what ifs.

i agree with the 3rd bolded, but definitely not the first one. if people didn't care about used games, then gamestop wouldn't make the majority of their money off of the used game industry. always online internet is up in the air. they are totally alienating A LOT of potential customers though, as well as customers who aren't in the usa.

also now this means people can't use redbox for games, or use services like gamefly for x1 games. i think that is a much bigger deal than you realize, but only time will tell.

they obviously did market research on all of this and came to the conclusion that their decisions were for the better. however as a general consumer i strongly disagree.
 

Nemesis13

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why would they be delusional? there has been 0 news pointing at it, and infact the exact opposite, coming from sony stating they ARENT doing it.

and it's a terrible TERRIBLE idea that is awful for consumers.

so why would one be delusional?

My thing is look at what EA did getting rid of online passes for this gen, I think this is a smoke screen bc they know they will be making more money nextgen with the used game fees. EA being the biggest game publisher(i Think) isnt gonna just go for that fee on one console if they can hound PS4 users as well. Everyone is up in arms at M$ this is something publishers want.
 

purbeast0

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My thing is look at what EA did getting rid of online passes for this gen, I think this is a smoke screen bc they know they will be making more money nextgen with the used game fees. EA being the biggest game publisher(i Think) isnt gonna just go for that fee on one console if they can hound PS4 users as well. Everyone is up in arms at M$ this is something publishers want.

the problem is, if you had been paying attention you would already know this, is that there ARE no "used game fees" so that makes no sense.

does M$ mean mo money?
 
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