The Official Xbox One Thread

[BladeVenom]

 

[purbeast0]

No, but a percentage of such friends would have. Even if it's 1 out of every 100 people who are loaned games would have bought them if they were unable to borrow them, it's still a loss for the publishers.

most likely, yes, and even then there is no way to claim that with 100% accuracy. but that isn't what the quote said that i quoted. the article is too black and white, when in reality it is a huge gray area.

and there is no such thing as "losing" money that you never once had. "losing" something means you first had it.

 

[exdeath]

No, but a percentage of such friends would have. Even if it's 1 out of every 100 people who are loaned games would have bought them if they were unable to borrow them, it's still a loss for the publishers.

Fuck the publishers. How do we buy games direct from the developer? Cut out the middle man.

 

[SAWYER]

Why are game developers/publishers entitled to a cut every time yet everyone else who makes a product isnt?

 

[Tweak155]

Me giving a game to my friend so that he doesn't spend $60 doesn't hurt the publishers?

Why do you selectively ignore the friends who borrow your game and like it so much they buy their own?

In other words, you can't prove the percentage that hurt the publisher vs the percentage that don't, outside of ignoring one side or the other.

 

[purbeast0]

Why are game developers/publishers entitled to a cut every time yet everyone else who makes a product isnt?

because we're buying the "license to play their software" not actual "ownership of the software".

that is the reasoning, but i don't agree with that mentality at all.

and this is coming from a software developer who has also made mobile apps on the side and i've seen my mobile apps on torrent sites free for the pirates. i don't give a shit about that and trying to stop it because i know the pirates will always find a way. its kind of like how retail stores have an LP quota because they know stuff will get stolen.

 

[Tweak155]

No, but a percentage of such friends would have. Even if it's 1 out of every 100 people who are loaned games would have bought them if they were unable to borrow them, it's still a loss for the publishers.

Not if 2 out of those every 100 bought the game because they liked it when they borrowed it.

 

[purbeast0]

Why do you selectively ignore the friends who borrow your game and like it so much they buy their own?

In other words, you can't prove the percentage that hurt the publisher vs the percentage that don't, outside of ignoring one side or the other.

that is very true, i didn't even think about that. and i can DEFINITELY think of a few instances where this was the case.

 

[smackababy]

Fuck the publishers. How do we buy games direct from the developer? Cut out the middle man.

Because developers can't work for a year on a game on the good will of the world. Publishers pay developers while they are producing a product that might make money. Saying we shouldn't have them means all we get is garbage indie games made by people in their spare time when they get off their real job. Not exactly the gaming market I want. It 'worked' back in the day because games were not nearly as complex.

 

[exdeath]

stopped reading at this...



that is simply not true.

The game industry BECAME what it is today with all of this being the norm (private loaning, trading, selling) for the last 30 years. Why now is it so evil?

 

[smackababy]

that is very true, i didn't even think about that. and i can DEFINITELY think of a few instances where this was the case.

The "publisher argument" is they can demo the game at your house, I'm sure.

 

[torpid]

most likely, yes, and even then there is no way to claim that with 100% accuracy. but that isn't what the quote said that i quoted. the article is too black and white, when in reality it is a huge gray area.

and there is no such thing as "losing" money that you never once had. "losing" something means you first had it.

I agree with you about the article. I think that there are probably some titles where the ability to loan out a game means less money made. And some where it means more money made.

 

[BoberFett]

Here's a pretty good article. I recommend the people foaming at the mouth with hatred towards MS stay away from it though.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-21539_...t-need-to-be-the-end-of-gaming-as-we-know-it/

That's not an article. It's a paid shill fellating MS.

 

[Midwayman]

Me giving a game to my friend so that he doesn't spend $60 doesn't hurt the publishers?

To the extent that he doesn't buy the game, sure. But its the same argument as piracy. It is tough to determine exactly how many of those people would have eventually bought the game if they hadn't had free access to it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I can let my friend borrow movies and he never buys or rents it too...Sony supports this as it exposes their quality games and other entertainment to more people. Maybe my friend doesn't finish it before I want it back to play online. He might buy it.

 

[smackababy]

I can let my friend borrow movies and he never buys or rents it too...Sony supports this as it exposes their quality games to more people. Maybe my friend doesn't finish it before I want it back to play online. He might buy it.

Trust me, if Sony Pictures could charge you per view for that movie, they would.

 

[BoberFett]

Me giving a game to my friend so that he doesn't spend $60 doesn't hurt the publishers?

Have you ever let someone read your newspaper after you're done with it? OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING JOURNALISM!!!!

Have you ever invited someone over to your house to watch a DVD? OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!!!

Have you ever hummed or whistled the tune of a popular song? OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Midwayman]

That's not an article. It's a paid shill fellating MS.

Meh hardly. He's right that we're transitioning away from physical media, and this console cycle we'll probably see a much larger swing. It'll be a painful adjustment for some people, and yes some people will lose out. Its not like he avoids the downsides, he just acknowledges there are more than just downsides.

 

[Tweak155]

Trust me, if Sony Pictures could charge you per view for that movie, they would.

How is that relevant? If they could click a button and empty your bank account into theirs, they would do that too.

 

[smackababy]

Have you ever let someone read your newspaper after you're done with it? OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING JOURNALISM!!!!

Have you ever invited someone over to your house to watch a DVD? OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!!!

Have you ever hummed or whistled the tune of a popular song? OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the MPAA, RIAA, and every newspaper would agree with that statement.

 

[exdeath]

I can let my friend borrow movies and he never buys or rents it too...Sony supports this as it exposes their quality games and other entertainment to more people. Maybe my friend doesn't finish it before I want it back to play online. He might buy it.

I straight up told someone they are buying Ni no Kuni and supporting the devs and I won't loan mine out.

She did, and lo and behold I didn't hear from her in like a week until she finished it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Trust me, if Sony Pictures could charge you per view for that movie, they would.

If I could punch you in the throat I would...so there. How you can be so wrapped around Microshit's finger I'll never know.

 

[BoberFett]

Trust me, if Sony Pictures could charge you per view for that movie, they would.

And I would tell those fuckers to get bent. Intellectual Property is thought control. We agree to some of it, because it's a mutual agreement that benefits the creator and the users of ideas.

The creators are taking things too far, and people are starting to get tired of the manipulation and greed. Copyright has been taken too far, and the creators need to be slapped down. They're not gods. They don't get to control the thoughts and culture of the whole world. They need to learn their place.

 

[BoberFett]

the MPAA, RIAA, and every newspaper would agree with that statement.

If that's their opinion, I'm happy to see their industries die.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I straight up told someone they are buying Ni no Kuni and supporting the devs and I won't loan mine out.

She did, and lo and behold I didn't hear from her in like a week until she finished it.

I let my friend borrow Halo...the very first one for Xbox. He turned around and bought all of them... Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, Halo 4 the next week.