its dumb to use amazon preorders for any kind of numbers since it cost $0 to preorder something. it's just like calling up a store and them reserving something for you and you not having any repurcussions if you don't show up to purchase it.
Aren't the Amazon pre-orders for the X1 split up into two SKUs, the Day One edition and the normal edition? I'm not sure if we were to combine them if they would beat the PS4 (probably not) but I don't think it's fair to look at the Amazon bestseller list.
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4. they claim they think they have found a great balance? fuck that it's not at all it's just a 100% ms controlled environment. if they really wanted "balance" hwat they would have done is what ps3 and 360 did this generation - offer games as BOTH digital downloads and disc based, and the disc based ones you can do as yo ualways could with buying/selling/renting, and then with the digital ones you can't do anything.
4. they claim they think they have found a great balance? fuck that it's not at all it's just a 100% ms controlled environment. if they really wanted "balance" hwat they would have done is what ps3 and 360 did this generation - offer games as BOTH digital downloads and disc based, and the disc based ones you can do as yo ualways could with buying/selling/renting, and then with the digital ones you can't do anything.
According to a few friends of mine working for big game developers developing for the Xbox/PS4 (huge games shown at E3 mind you, not low budget), the consoles are so similar if you were looking at the bare hardware you wouldn't know a difference. What I guess you could call "benchmark" scores for what their engines can perform on any system are so close its almost a useless discussion.My concerns about my decision on a future console are:
1) is the PS4 really that much more powerful, and will I really know/care. I'm already fairly satisfied with current gen graphics (this is a flip-flop from the last generation where I was not happy with PS2/Xbox graphics).
I don't know if it has been mention yet here, but a MS exec has stated they have an always offline solution: the Xbox 360. =(
This would be perfect for me. I would only buy the DD version and never worry about discs again. And the people who want to partake in the 2nd hand market, can.
However, make no mistakes, whether we like it or not, consoles are going to the license model. MS is ahead of the curve on this one. Music has pretty much done it. Once eReaders hit market saturation, I can easily see books doing it as well. People will fuss at first, and then they will enjoy the perks of having every book ever written in a single device that takes up the space of an iPad Mini.
I don't know if it has been mention yet here, but a MS exec has stated they have an always offline solution: the Xbox 360. =(
other than being digital, music is nowhere NEAR the console gaming industry.
with music you get what, 15 songs or so for $10 on a cd. the problem is people typically don't like all 15 songs, so they went to a model where you could "pay per song".
on top of that, a full cd being $10 or $15 or whatever isn't $60. i think a lot of people will have a hard time purchasing something for $60 and not having ANY kind of physical item. it is kind of psychological at this point.
they are just two totally different beats imo.
Yes, different industries, but MP3 wouldn't have worked without players being marketed as such. Apple and their iPod pretty much made MP3 mainstream. The music industry's model changed entirely. Rather than going to a B&M store to buy a CD, people buy it from a retailer and download the content. Software is already heading in that direction. Pretty much every piece of software can be bought digital now, and there is some still offered on a disc. Soon, none will be.
Console gaming is heading in that same direction.
According to a few friends of mine working for big game developers developing for the Xbox/PS4 (huge games shown at E3 mind you, not low budget), the consoles are so similar if you were looking at the bare hardware you wouldn't know a difference. What I guess you could call "benchmark" scores for what their engines can perform on any system are so close its almost a useless discussion.
They went on to say that the cloud based capabilities of the Xbox One will play huge into its overall power during its life. They didn't mention what they had managed to do with it though.
Personally, I think Microsoft went for something lofty with the Xbox One and fumbled a bit. I still want an Xbox One. The whole DRM and used game thing doesn't apply to me. I buy a few games a year and play them constantly. The Kinect sensor is a non issue that people are blowing up.
this is a vid of how party works on the vita. i would assume the PS4 woudl have a similar system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPVNN1pF-s
They made the mistake of splitting between disc and DD. Had they made the full transition to DD only, adjusted pricing model accordingly, and allowed for sharing with so many people like iTunes etc it wouldn't be a problem.
My major gripe with Xbone is they took it too far with bricking discs.
The Kinect sensor is a non issue that people are blowing up.
Sony just doesn't have any real system sellers as of right now. MS does.
It isn't that the discs are bricked. They still server their purpose, which is to install the game to the Xbox One. You just have to then purchase a license to play it. They are trying to go the entire PC route, but people are screaming about it.
Not that it really matters. People scream about everything. When Apple released the iPhone 4S the internet and mainstream media was ablaze with "outrage" over a late and incremental release. Yet it sold millions anyway...
The true test for MS comes after the holiday season. I have a feeling Sony will take an early lead, but MS will catch up, if not overtake them, in the long run. Sony just doesn't have any real system sellers as of right now. MS does.
The mandatory Kinect causes several problems:
1. It's an extra thing you have to hook up whether you want it or not.
2. It adds to the cost of the console. Not surprising that the Xbox One includes a camera and costs $100 more than the PS4, which doesn't include a camera.
3. Privacy concerns. Do you really trust MS to play nice and respect your privacy the way they say they will? Forever?
At any rate, I don't see why anyone would buy an Xbox One when the PS4 is $100 less, more powerful, and they have all the same games (barring a small number of exclusives to each platform, none of which are that great). Xbox has Gears and Halo, both tired franchises way past their prime. The former Sony mainstays of MGS and Final Fantasy are now cross-platform. And you have Forza vs. GT, both great racing games.
PS4 won't have Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, Halo, Forza. And you don't know if any of those are timed exclusives. You are just guessing. Dead Rising was only released on the Xbox 360; nothing else. What does Sony have? A bunch of indie games I can get on Steam for $5 each? No thanks. GT6 isn't even going to be on the PS4. Drive Club? GT5 looks better than that game. MS also has a better controller, a better online service (based on current offerings), uses a better streaming service, and has fantasy football stats. That might not be a feature you will use, but I will. And a lot of other people will as well. NFL.com and ESPN fantasy integration is a big deal. UFC is another huge deal.The mandatory Kinect causes several problems:
1. It's an extra thing you have to hook up whether you want it or not.
2. It adds to the cost of the console. Not surprising that the Xbox One includes a camera and costs $100 more than the PS4, which doesn't include a camera.
3. Privacy concerns. Do you really trust MS to play nice and respect your privacy the way they say they will? Forever?
At any rate, I don't see why anyone would buy an Xbox One when the PS4 is $100 less, more powerful, and they have all the same games (barring a small number of exclusives to each platform, none of which are that great). Xbox has Gears and Halo, both tired franchises way past their prime. The former Sony mainstays of MGS and Final Fantasy are now cross-platform. And you have Forza vs. GT, both great racing games.
Like what? Honestly I see very little value in any of the exclusive games on either platform. Nearly all games are cross platform, and a large number of MS "exclusives" are just timed exclusives that will eventually become available on the PS4 anyway. And several Xbox One "exclusive" games (Titanfall, for one) are also going to be available on PC and/or Xbox 360.
my problem with kinect is that it is going to be a $100 paper weight that sits in my a/v cabinet plugged into the x1 the whole time. i'd rather just pay $400 and not have it.
dont worry im sure MS will be glad to sell you a 50 foot cable for it at a reasonable price so you can get it in front of your seating area
PS4 won't have Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, Halo, Forza. And you don't know if any of those are timed exclusives. You are just guessing. Dead Rising was only released on the Xbox 360; nothing else. What does Sony have? A bunch of indie games I can get on Steam for $5 each? No thanks. GT6 isn't even going to be on the PS4. Drive Club? GT5 looks better than that game. MS also has a better controller, a better online service (based on current offerings), uses a better streaming service, and has fantasy football stats. That might not be a feature you will use, but I will. And a lot of other people will as well. NFL.com and ESPN fantasy integration is a big deal. UFC is another huge deal.
DR was Xbox 360 only, but DR2 was cross platform. You're right, it's not officially confirmed whether DR3 is a timed exclusive or not, but MS has shown that they are happy to pay to get cross platform games first and delay the Sony version.
Killer Instinct is pay2win. I hope you enjoy always fighting against Jago. But I'm biased since I think all fighting games are the same.
Halo has been crap since 343 took over. I was a Halo fan for longer than most, and I liked Reach even as others were jumping ship, but 4 was the end for me.
Good point about GT6 though, it's unfortunate that they're not releasing it for PS4. At the rate Polyphony develops games, GT7 won't come out until this new generation is almost over. Maybe they'll re-release GT6 for the PS4 to tide people over.
The fantasy football thing is laughable though. That already exists, it's called "watching TV while holding a smartphone."
An extra thing you have to hook up? You plug it in and place it. Done. You will probably never touch it again.The mandatory Kinect causes several problems:
1. It's an extra thing you have to hook up whether you want it or not.
2. It adds to the cost of the console. Not surprising that the Xbox One includes a camera and costs $100 more than the PS4, which doesn't include a camera.
3. Privacy concerns. Do you really trust MS to play nice and respect your privacy the way they say they will? Forever?
At any rate, I don't see why anyone would buy an Xbox One when the PS4 is $100 less, more powerful, and they have all the same games (barring a small number of exclusives to each platform, none of which are that great). Xbox has Gears and Halo, both tired franchises way past their prime. The former Sony mainstays of MGS and Final Fantasy are now cross-platform. And you have Forza vs. GT, both great racing games.
You're being narrow minded on this. Yes, currently one lineup might "outweigh" (all opinionated, in this case though I agree MS has a better current lineup) the other, but keep in mind there was a period of time where none of these franchises existed. Picture the time before Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Uncharted, etc. It takes creativity to generate something that is a classic hit, not an existing product. That existing product has already made its mark on gamers.
If all we had were new Dead Rising games, no one would buy. So, if Sony shifts the market enough, that creativity will naturally focus on the PS4 platform, and we will start to see more titles there which take off.
In other words, there is no way to predict who will ultimately have the better exclusives. PS2 was arguably leaps and bounds better than Xbox, and then you have the 360 which was arguably better than PS3 on exclusives. Only time will tell.