The Official Xbox One Thread

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TheSlamma

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What I want out of my Xbox ONE (what do I call it? The new xbox? The one? I'm certainly not calling it XBOX ONE, I don't say Xbox 360, so just say 360.... so now do I say ONE?.... so confused....) shit... I totally forgot now. Fuck.
Just call it "Xbox One"

How many people are still even using the Gen 1
 

Raduque

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I can't look at that link at work, but if MS "confirmed" this, you can link the source. Thank you.

The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."

It's not confirmed, it's Wired speculating.
 
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It's not confirmed, it's Wired speculating.

The full article seems to think it's confirmed:

Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.

The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.

The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.

The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.
 

gothamhunter

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Takeaways:

- Pre-owned fee? That will drive pre-owned prices way down in either that A) no one will buy them since they have to pay an additional fee, or B) they'll get tossed around like nothing if the fee is really small. Group buy this game where we each end up paying $5 guys?
If Sony doesn't do this, they have a huge market gain I feel.

- I want to play video games; thank you for the hour long presentation on how I can watch TV on it.

-Not 360 compatible? Nice job.
 
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yllus

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I actually thought that was great. Pretty much exactly the level of detail you want to start off - a high level overview of what's new. As someone mentioned, we already know it plays games and they'll go into detail about that at E3, so I can wait on that. Besides, what can they really "show" us this early on re: games? It'll just be prerendered stuff we can't believe in anyways.

I really like the idea of Skyping during a football game with other people, or a TV show, or whatever. I'm curious how all of those devices are supposed to be controlled by the Xbox One, though - is it essentially a receiver? Otherwise they'd have to do some gnarly IR repeater thing that'd be really clumsy.

Would have liked to hear if they're doing live streaming during games like the PS4 is going to do, but again, that's what E3 will be for.
 

purbeast0

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it's not confirmed at all, it's just wired speculating. the full article is here.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/

Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.

What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.

Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.

But what if a second person simply wanted to put the disc in and play the game without installing – and without paying extra? In other words, what happens to our traditional concept of a “used game”? This is a question for which Microsoft did not yet have an answer, and is surely something that game buyers (as well as renters and lenders) will want to know.
 

Ban Bot

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Takeaways:

- I want to play video games; thank you for the hour long presentation on how I can watch TV on it.

Yeah, I expected this but it still disappoints. I want to hear about my next GAMING console and I hear a ton about a TV/MEDIA device. I don't even own a TV (game on an HDMI monitor) and could care less. Big plus for resolving the HORRIBLELY lagging user interface but the fact they are marketing transistors, 40nm process, and 8GB of memory (of which LESS will be usable than the competition for games) it sounds like the Xbox One, for gaming, is 2nd fiddle focus. BOOH!
 

smackababy

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I actually thought that was great. Pretty much exactly the level of detail you want to start off - a high level overview of what's new. As someone mentioned, we already know it plays games and they'll go into detail about that at E3, so I can wait on that. Besides, what can they really "show" us this early on re: games? It'll just be prerendered stuff we can't believe in anyways.

I really like the idea of Skyping during a football game with other people, or a TV show, or whatever. I'm curious how all of those devices are supposed to be controlled by the Xbox One, though - is it essentially a receiver? Otherwise they'd have to do some gnarly IR repeater thing that'd be really clumsy.

Would have liked to hear if they're doing live streaming during games like the PS4 is going to do, but again, that's what E3 will be for.

I think they might have some integrated streaming, as they have a Twitch.tv app for the 360 already. To what extent? That is unknown, but I'm sure E3 will offer more.
 

mindcycle

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Xbox One doesn't require always-on connection, but mandatory installs tied to accounts

In an interview directly following Microsoft's presentation today, Don Mattrick confirmed that the newly announced Xbox One console won't require an always-on Internet connection. However, mandatory game installations tied to Xbox Live accounts are said to serve as the system's DRM.

"You don't always have to be connected," Mattrick told Geoff Keighley on Spike TV. "But for a lot of things like multiplayer gaming, streaming content from the Internet, you're going to need an Internet connection. That's the world we live in." Asked if that means gamers can relax, Mattrick said, "Gamers can calm down, we've got you covered."

Complicating matters, though, is the way games will actually work. Wired reports that a response from Microsoft indicates that installations to the harddrive will be mandatory, and each disc could be tied to a unique Xbox Live account to keep players from just sharing their disc. If a disc was used on a second account, the owner would reportedly be given the option to pay a fee to install the disc, then enabling them to play it without a disc. But Microsoft hasn't detailed what would happen if the second person wanted to play off the disc, without installing, or even without being connected.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/79297/xbox-one-doesnt-require-always-on-connection

This just reads to me like they really wanted always online but after they found out gamers didn't, they backtracked and did something pretty damn close. Suffice to say, i'll wait till they get the kinks figured out before I even think about getting a new Xbox. Sounds like a mess honestly..
 
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purbeast0

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Yeah, I expected this but it still disappoints. I want to hear about my next GAMING console and I hear a ton about a TV/MEDIA device. I don't even own a TV (game on an HDMI monitor) and could care less. Big plus for resolving the HORRIBLELY lagging user interface but the fact they are marketing transistors, 40nm process, and 8GB of memory (of which LESS will be usable than the competition for games) it sounds like the Xbox One, for gaming, is 2nd fiddle focus. BOOH!

what the hell do you want them to talk about for an hour about games? the fact that the new xbox will play games is probably the only thing we knew about it before this conference. there is really nothing else for them to say about gaming.

and if you were expecting them to show off a bunch of new games, then you clearly know nothing about the industry, because that is what e3 is for in a couple weeks. this was to show us the new hardware and the features behind it.
 

RedRooster

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Holy, depending on how much this "fee" is to install a used game, this could be a great deal! Go sign out a game from the library, install it and buy the unlock code. Unless its like 40-50 bucks, then thats just crap.
 

purbeast0

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http://www.shacknews.com/article/79297/xbox-one-doesnt-require-always-on-connection

This just reads to me like they really wanted always online but after they found out gamers didn't, they backtracked and did something pretty damn close. Suffice to say, i'll wait till they get the kinks figured out before I even think about getting a new Xbox. Sounds like a mess honestly..

again, there is nothing said from microsoft confirming this. it links to the wired article that speculates.

and how the hell can games be "tied to an account" if they aren't online?

if my console is offline, and i install it, then give the game to my brother and his console is offline, and he installs it, there is absolutely no way that ms can know that it has been tied to 2 accounts.

i think wired is juts a buncha f***ing idiots honestly, trying to stir up shit so that IF it's true they can say "WE HAD IT FIRST' but if it's false, everyone will forget about it.

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and based on this...

"You don't always have to be connected," Mattrick told Geoff Keighley on Spike TV. "But for a lot of things like multiplayer gaming, streaming content from the Internet, you're going to need an Internet connection. That's the world we live in." Asked if that means gamers can relax, Mattrick said, "Gamers can calm down, we've got you covered."

i think wired is even dumber than i previously did.



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Aikouka

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Here are the Wired articles...
Article: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/
Dev Photos: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-development-photos/
Console Photos: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-photos/

As for that fee, what about multiple consoles and multiple users in one home? If I want to share my games with my significant other and she wants her own account, does she have to pay again? ...or does she have to use the disc to play? The current XBOX DRM scheme ties purchases to the console or the account, so a single console with multiple accounts would be fine; however, multiple accounts and multiple consoles would not.

Integrated battery just makes sense. The PS3 had them. Oh, but only MS wants us to buy a new controller rather than force us to buy a controller AND a $20 battery pack right? Clearly they are the evil ones.

What $20 battery pack? Are you talking about the terrible Play-n-Charge pack? The rechargeable battery in that thing was just really bad. I use the standard AA battery pack with Sanyo Eneloops, and it works great!
 
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purbeast0

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it's hilarious how quickly speculation is turned into facts in this day and age. so much mis-information everywhere.
 

Tom

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In a world where tvs, dvd players, set top boxes, all have Netflix, etc, as well as media servers built-in, what's the point of this new xbox ?
 

smackababy

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again, there is nothing said from microsoft confirming this. it links to the wired article that speculates.

and how the hell can games be "tied to an account" if they aren't online?

if my console is offline, and i install it, then give the game to my brother and his console is offline, and he installs it, there is absolutely no way that ms can know that it has been tied to 2 accounts.

i think wired is juts a buncha fucking idiots honestly, trying to stir up shit so that IF it's true they can say "WE HAD IT FIRST' but if it's false, everyone will forget about it.

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and based on this...



i think wired is even dumber than i previously did.

If anything, they will "verify" somehow that the first installation of a disc is, in fact, the first. And you can use it without the physical media in your drive. The next installations that are not on consoles tied to your account, will require the disc.

This "feature" would almost work like SC's spawn system, and you can loan your game to a friend to play.

The requirement that it is installed is so they don't have to take 50gb of data on an 8x (guessing on this one) blu-ray drive. That would be loud, slow, and annoying all around.
 
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