The Official Xbox One Thread

[American Gunner]

To be fair, the 360 had a lot of exclusives at first, but they all died off. That is why I will be skeptical, even when they are announcing all their exclusives at e3.

 

[cmdrdredd]

This is rather ignorant. There were quite a few quality exclusives for the 360.


And I can confirm the pictures of the controller show a mini USB port. I would assume a mic would plug into that, if it is not wireless.

There is a MiniUSB on the top but what about this? On the bottom.

Bottom:

Top:

 

[smackababy]

To be fair, the 360 had a lot of exclusives at first, but they all died off. That is why I will be skeptical, even when they are announcing all their exclusives at e3.

They died off because people didn't buy them. Almost all AAA titles were cross platform. Even previous PS exclusives went cross platform (FF series and Dark Souls).

 

[smackababy]

There is a MiniUSB on the top but what about this? On the bottom.

I didn't see that. That is their "accessory port" then. I imagine there is an adapter that connects to a headset / "chat pad" / or any other silly peripheral that MS and 3rd parties decide to sell.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I didn't see that. That is their "accessory port" then. I imagine there is an adapter that connects to a headset / "chat pad" / or any other silly peripheral that MS and 3rd parties decide to sell.

Right but what we were wondering is what type of interface it is. The new port means your $100+ headset is junk on the new system unless there are adapters.

 

[Aikouka]

again, as i've mentioned time and time again, how will they stop it from being installed on 2 consoles that are offline with the same serial number? they can't.

That's the thing... you would have to sign into XBOX Live. At worst, I could see them give you a 24-48 hour grace period if you can't sign in for some reason sort of like how they give you so long before Windows tries to activate.

you guys do know that upcs and barcodes are not unique, right?

Product UPCs are not unique, but you can always print a piece of paper that goes with every game that contains a unique code.

Cause any fool could steal a box with the UPC from gamestop.

That's a non-issue because there are similar protections to avoid people from stealing existing product redemption cards from stores. The store activates the card upon purchase.

also not being able to rent games from redbox and blow through them in a couple days... yeah, all of this is really going to play a much larger role in my decision to purchase this console than i had initially thought. before the conference yesterday i was 100% going to get this day 1. now i'm totally up in the air and need to wait for more information before i decide.

I don't see game rental things going away. If games have keys that allow them to be run on your console, you will most likely receive a key with the game that will be removed from your account once Redbox or GameFly receives the game back. I assume they'd use the same code or generate a new one (the latter seems problematic for the number of codes available).

people are going to HATE playing games with me online if it uses the kinect mic as the voice input. i like my shit loud when i game. i'm going to be "that guy" who constantly has a buncha racket going on in the background.

They will most likely have separate headsets available (the default ones are kinda junky anyway), but Ars has a video up that shows how good the new Kinect is at removing game sounds from microphone input. If it does that for voice comm, it might not be so bad!

The problem for me is that I tend to curse like a sailor when I play online, but I don't necessarily want to say that to the other players. :$ I was playing Sonic Racing the other night, and the explicatives were flying every time someone would knock me off the track.

 

[smackababy]

Right but what we were wondering is what type of interface it is. The new port means your $100+ headset is junk on the new system unless there are adapters.

I hardly believe at the very least a 3rd party will release an adapter for it. There are already wireless USB headsets that work with the 360. I can't imagine it would be hard to make one for the XO.

And the idea that "oh we have to buy new accessories for a new console omg MS is scamming us" is kind of silly. Since the NES, consoles have been doing this. Want to use that awesome Power Glove or your Power Pad on the SNES? Buy a new one. Same has gone with every console to date.

 

[Topweasel]

That is true. I didn't have a problem with it, others were complaining though. I'd prefer a headset so I can separate voice chat and game sound, but that is just personal preference.

That's my point. At that point it becomes preference. I mean even with my original 360 I hated the stupid they gave you with the Premium. Now to some one who would rather have that then use a Kinect one, that's again a preference thing and you can't make everyone happy. That's what the accessory market is for. But people are going to be upset because they spent hundreds of dollars over the years on equipment and can't carry it over like it is some big surprise.

 

[American Gunner]

I would love an adapter to my new turtle beaches. I will just wait a few more months than I had planned to before I jump in on the next generation.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I hardly believe at the very least a 3rd party will release an adapter for it. There are already wireless USB headsets that work with the 360. I can't imagine it would be hard to make one for the XO.

And the idea that "oh we have to buy new accessories for a new console omg MS is scamming us" is kind of silly. Since the NES, consoles have been doing this. Want to use that awesome Power Glove or your Power Pad on the SNES? Buy a new one. Same has gone with every console to date.

Except when you buy a high end headset for sometimes $200 or more, you don't want to spend another $200 for the new box.

See...not everyone is using the $20 throwaway Microsoft ones

There will be adapters but is it so wrong to just want to know what interface the port is? What's wrong with digging for detailed info if it's out there?

That's a non-issue because there are similar protections to avoid people from stealing existing product redemption cards from stores. The store activates the card upon purchase.

I was responding to the idea of scanning the UPC on the box. You can just grab the case off the shelf, even an empty one and scan that. Or heck, print one off a picture online and scan it.


That idea would just not work, it's gotta be packed inside at purchase or something. Best way is printed on the disk label IMO.

 

[SAWYER]

I was thinking today about the 24 hour only thing and thinking back, I have not ever taken my 360 out of my living room since launch. Not an issue for me and if I did, I can tether from my phone to let it do its checks.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I was thinking today about the 24 hour only thing and thinking back, I have not ever taken my 360 out of my living room since launch. Not an issue for me and if I did, I can tether from my phone to let it do its checks.

Uh huh, but there are about 119million americans with no broadband internet as of Aug 2012.

Who knows in other countries?

I remember when I was a kid I used to take my NES to Grandma's house when we visited. If that were today there would be no internet there to hook up to. Seeing as on Verizon they charge you to use your phone as a hotspot...there's no option.

 

[SAWYER]

I am speaking for me, I still think it is big issue obviously

 

[Topweasel]

Uh huh, but there are about 119million americans with no broadband internet as of Aug 2012.

Who knows in other countries?

I remember when I was a kid I used to take my NES to Grandma's house when we visited. If that were today there would be no internet there to hook up to. Seeing as on Verizon they charge you to use your phone as a hotspot...there's no option.

There is barely 119 Million households. Let alone 119 million without "broadband" internet. Don't know where that number is from.

 

[smackababy]

Except when you buy a high end headset for sometimes $200 or more, you don't want to spend another $200 for the new box.

See...not everyone is using the $20 throwaway Microsoft ones

There will be adapters but is it so wrong to just want to know what interface the port is? What's wrong with digging for detailed info if it's out there?



I was responding to the idea of scanning the UPC on the box. You can just grab the case off the shelf, even an empty one and scan that. Or heck, print one off a picture online and scan it.


That idea would just not work, it's gotta be packed inside at purchase or something. Best way is printed on the disk label IMO.

I understand that, but how does your $200 headset connect? 3.5mm jack? I am sure a $10 "MS port" to 3.5mm jack will be available near launch. USB? Well, there are at least 2 USB ports in the back of the console, I bet i would fit into one of those just fine. Now, will it work? Who knows, but as with every other console in the history of consoles, the chances of an accessory working on multiple consoles is extremely rare (as in besides fightsticks and the GC controller, I have never seen it).

 

[smackababy]

There is barely 119 Million households. Let alone 119 million without "broadband" internet. Don't know where that number is from.

He said Americans, not households.

 

[American Gunner]

Not to mention the fact that all this tv stuff won't be avaliable anywhere else but the US on launch. That right there will probably turn a lot of people from other countries off.

 

[SAWYER]

It is just an extra feature though and not mandatory. If they bought a 360 without it what is the difference? I dont have any cable/dish ect and have no interest in that stuff

But on the flip side MS is pushing this as a media device, they need to get their shit together

 

[American Gunner]

Because that seems to be the main selling point to the xbox one. If the main selling point is something you can't use, why get the system?
Edit: Also remember, when the 360 launched, they didn't have all the apps that didn't work in different regions. That happened after people were already invested.

 

[SAWYER]

I edited while you were replying but yeah I agree but most people will be buying for the latest COD/Madden ect, not for media stuff

 

[smackababy]

People who are going to game are going to buy it, regardless of the extra features. These are just selling points for people on the fence about media related stuff really.

Consumer: I can buy a PS4 for games AND a Roku, or I can buy the Xbox One and skip the Roku all together saving $99.
or
Consumer: Well, I don't game that much, but my kids are outgrowing the Wii. I wouldn't mind being able to watch Netflix or Skype and get them a gaming system in one.

MS is really about the evolution of the market and are trying to posture themselves as a living room centerpiece, not just another device you have to hook into for a specific purpose.

 

[American Gunner]

I don't see why anyone would need a Roku with the PS4. It has the bigger apps on it right now, and I am sure will gain more. But to counter that:

Consumer: I can buy the Xbox, but will need to pay for Xbox Live gold every year to have access to all the features.

 

[SAWYER]

Paying for Live doesnt seem to be much of a problem to the general audience, only the vocal people online. Last I heard XBL does huge numbers and is way more popular than Sony's free offering

 

[American Gunner]

I know for me that I pay for live because all my friends and I game on Xbox and it is pretty much required to play online. We are all keeping an open mind for next gen though, so I may not be doing it again. If Sony gave me a party chat, I would be pretty happy with PSN.

 

[Staples]

Paying for Live doesnt seem to be much of a problem to the general audience, only the vocal people online. Last I heard XBL does huge numbers and is way more popular than Sony's free offering

It is way more popular but who knows, Sony may have an ace up their sleeve this generation. The reason Xbox Live has always been better was because MS handles everything and lets developers use their API. With all the time that has gone by, I will be surprised if Sony hasn't fixed their system to be similar.

I have never been the one to complain about the price of Live because I simply don't pay. I have had Xbox Live since the day it launched and I used to play online a lot and was a gold member for 8 years according to XBL stats but I have not paid for the past few years. Too bad they require it for Netflix because the Xbox is a much better Netflix and youtube player than my Blu Ray player but it isn't worth $60 a year just for Netflix. I'd pay $15 a year though to access their video apps (Netflix, youtube and HBO Go).