The Official Xbox One Thread

[cmdrdredd]

No offense intended, but do you ever stop talking about Sony? This is not a thread about their products. Or Nintendo's for that matter.

And in response to this post: I agree with some of the industry observers and pros I have been reading comments from. News of the Xboxone's death are being greatly exaggerated. Microsoft is dominate in North America. E3 is only weeks away, and the focus there will be games. Once they fill in the blanks, and address the biggest concerns people have, we can decide whether to get out the shovels or not. It will become one of the company's greatest blunders to date, if they screw up their market hold here.

Comparing the info we have to the competition is now somehow wrong? Sheesh

This thread is about what we know of the xbone and we should by all means compare it to what the competitors are doing. That is what you are supposed to do in order to make a rational and wise choice as a consumer.

 

[smackababy]

Comparing the info we have to the competition is now somehow wrong? Sheesh

Comparing what we assume we know about the competition with rumors surrounding the Xbox One is a bit silly, don't you agree? If anything, waiting until after E3 should be the best road before jumping on the "Sony is better; MS hates gamers" bandwagon.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Comparing what we assume we know about the competition with rumors surrounding the Xbox One is a bit silly, don't you agree? If anything, waiting until after E3 should be the best road before jumping on the "Sony is better; MS hates gamers" bandwagon.

Not rumors...do we need to repeat all the MS execs telling us about 24 hour check ins and used games again?

I am not blindly going down a road where I hate MS. It is their fault

 

[Axon]

Not rumors...do we need to repeat all the MS execs telling us about 24 hour check ins and used games again?

Make no mistake, Sony wanted to do the same thing with used games, they just might be smart enough not to. And ultimately, the used game change is designed to stymie GameStop more than anything else.

 

[smackababy]

Not rumors...do we need to repeat all the MS execs telling us about 24 hour check ins and used games again?

I am not blindly going down a road where I hate MS. It is their fault

Yes, please repeat the quote verbatim. The one where he was unsure and stated he thinks it was every 24 hours. And then please find me a MS quote that states what they are doing with used games.

I will be patiently waiting.

 

[pathos]

Are you paranoid about your laptops having webcams and mics? Because they almost all do. I've never heard of someone remotely viewing your Kinect without permission, but I have heard of a guy viewing people's MacBook webcams via a bug. He even worked at the Apple Store, installed his virus, and had it popup so when they came back he could tell them it was due to it needing to be in the bathroom when they shower or something.

Are people still afraid of their webcams? Hardly.

Heh, I don't own any laptops. I have 1 gaming rig, 1 htpc, and a couple of servers. None of those have mic's or cameras. I do have an android tablet, which sits in it's case most of the time, since I rarely need it. It has a both a mic and a camera. But, since it stays turned off most of the time, its not really a factor. My smart phone also, of course, has a mic and a camera. But, since it spends 90% of the time in my pocket, all someone hacking it would be getting is pocket lint.

My biggest issue with the kinect for this thing wasn't the fact that it has a camera and mic, but that you'll have almost no control over it. But, even there, I am exaggerating (at least, I hope so). Since, I assume I could just power down the xbone (I like that nickname )when I dont have it in use, and unplug the thing. Or, even just turn it to face a corner when not in use.

But, I did state at the end that I am paranoid (for feeling this way) and irrational (for thinking others should feel the same way), so it's not like I didn't warn you

 

[Axon]

Yes, please repeat the quote verbatim. The one where he was unsure and stated he thinks it was every 24 hours. And then please find me a MS quote that states what they are doing with used games.

I will be patiently waiting.

Respectfully, I work in corporate law and I do some PR stuff. Believe me, MS has their policy firmly in place already - they have simply not workshopped how to release that information into the public.

You can rest assured you will have to check in online and that MS will be going to the PC model of assigning key codes for games to each player's account (or whatever). The devil is in the details, but those things are already set and have been for at least a year. They may soften the blow based on the outcry they've already received, but it is happening.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Comparing the info we have to the competition is now somehow wrong? Sheesh

This thread is about what we know of the xbone and we should by all means compare it to what the competitors are doing. That is what you are supposed to do in order to make a rational and wise choice as a consumer.

3 of your first 4 post have Sony in them. Now cut the shit. Because you are starting to make me think you are a paid viral marketer like Rollo was. If you cannot post about this product without continuously posting about Sony, do not post.

And let me elaborate a bit more. Why the hell are you trying to influence people's purchasing decisions? Unless you have a horse in the race, continuously unfavorably comparing it to the rivals products (not what this thread is for) makes little sense. There are many replies in this thread that evaluate the product based on its own merits or lack thereof. And how it either does or does not appeal to them based on that. But most of your post are anti xbox pro PS. Hell your posts read like you are a captain in the Sony defense force. So chill out with the sales pitch.

Discussing the hardware, software, and other capabilities. Speculating on what has been said, and personal opinions on it is great. But not when it is done in such a way that every post reads like it came from Sony's marketing division. I hope this clarifies the issue. IOW, feel free to bash it, but do it without the PS4 is teh shiznit! sales pitch.

 

[smackababy]

Heh, I don't own any laptops. I have 1 gaming rig, 1 htpc, and a couple of servers. None of those have mic's or cameras. I do have an android tablet, which sits in it's case most of the time, since I rarely need it. It has a both a mic and a camera. But, since it stays turned off most of the time, its not really a factor. My smart phone also, of course, has a mic and a camera. But, since it spends 90% of the time in my pocket, all someone hacking it would be getting is pocket lint.

My biggest issue with the kinect for this thing wasn't the fact that it has a camera and mic, but that you'll have almost no control over it. But, even there, I am exaggerating (at least, I hope so). Since, I assume I could just power down the xbone (I like that nickname )when I dont have it in use, and unplug the thing. Or, even just turn it to face a corner when not in use.

But, I did state at the end that I am paranoid (for feeling this way) and irrational (for thinking others should feel the same way), so it's not like I didn't warn you

I have the feeling you will have the option to turn the Kinect fully off. From what they've stated, it is just powergated into a low power sleep. This voice feature should be able to be turned off and traditional control means for turning on / off can take place.

Respectfully, I work in corporate law and I do some PR stuff. Believe me, MS has their policy firmly in place already - they have simply not workshopped how to release that information into the public.

You can rest assured you will have to check in online and that MS will be going to the PC model of assigning key codes for games to each player's account (or whatever). The devil is in the details, but those things are already set and have been for at least a year. They may soften the blow based on the outcry they've already received, but it is happening.

Respectfully, unless you work directly for MS or have some inside information, you are only speculating based on what someone uninformed stated. Will it phone home? Most likely every time it has an internet connection. Will it require a connection every so many days? Probably. How long can it go without a connection? There has been talk of it is still up for debate within the Xbox team.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Respectfully, unless you work directly for MS or have some inside information, you are only speculating based on what someone uninformed stated. Will it phone home? Most likely every time it has an internet connection. Will it require a connection every so many days? Probably. How long can it go without a connection? There has been talk of it is still up for debate within the Xbox team.

So far it seems like the max time it can be offline is 24hrs http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-doesnt-require-internet-connection For certain games and content it appears it will need to do it more often.

 

[Necc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

 

[smackababy]

So far it seems like the max time it can be offline is 24hrs http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-doesnt-require-internet-connection For certain games and content it appears it will need to do it more often.

And Phil Harrison is the VP of Microsoft. His information regarding technical aspects of the Xbox One is not exactly the best source to get it from. He 'believes it is 24 hours', but that shows he is unsure. And MS released it was still up for debate.

And MS, as well as Sony, have stated it is up to developers if they want to implement an always online model on a per game basis.

There is just a lot of misinformation and rumors being spread around as fact. The used game scenario is one that has been the most annoying. Wired reported in order to buy used games you have to pay a fee. MS responded that is completely untrue. People still take it as fact that MS hates used games. Not that it should be a big surprise if used games are finished, since software has not be able to be resold for quite a long time.

 

[Fingolfin269]

There is just a lot of misinformation and rumors being spread around as fact. The used game scenario is one that has been the most annoying. Wired reported in order to buy used games you have to pay a fee. MS responded that is completely untrue. People still take it as fact that MS hates used games. Not that it should be a big surprise if used games are finished, since software has not be able to be resold for quite a long time.

You just don't get it. If you don't form your opinion about Xbox now then you're missing a prime opportunity to rage without facts!

 

[Axon]

Respectfully, unless you work directly for MS or have some inside information, you are only speculating based on what someone uninformed stated. Will it phone home? Most likely every time it has an internet connection. Will it require a connection every so many days? Probably. How long can it go without a connection? There has been talk of it is still up for debate within the Xbox team.

So you agree. Why be so obtuse about it? We all know its happening.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

And Phil Harrison is the VP of Microsoft. His information regarding technical aspects of the Xbox One is not exactly the best source to get it from. He 'believes it is 24 hours', but that shows he is unsure. And MS released it was still up for debate.

Hence the word "seems". I agree it is early on to know with certainty. It could just be if you want all the multimedia features to work it does it. And have zero to do with gaming. Or that they are monitoring all this consumer feedback before nailing it down. After all, it is better to get people raging before you actually do something (if possible). Because then you can fix it, and make it seem as though it was much ado about nothing.

 

[smackababy]

So you agree. Why be so obtuse about it? We all know its happening.

Because there is a huge difference between must connect ever 30 days vs must connect ever day. Despite the fact that we don't have any real information about it must being connect at all, there is no reason to foam at the mouth over it. (Not implying you were one of the people foaming at the mouth about it, but there are those that are)

 

[American Gunner]

You just don't get it. If you don't form your opinion about Xbox now then you're missing a prime opportunity to rage without facts!

This is about right. At the end of the day, the people on board with XBO will stay that way, and the people that hate it will stay that way. Most smart people will wait until after E3 when they actually have all the facts before they make any judgements.

Edit: In Sony's conference, they talked at length about how it will always update to have the most current information and how it will install stuff in the background. Don't people realize that this means it will have to be connected to do any of this?

 

[blurredvision]

So you agree. Why be so obtuse about it? We all know its happening.

Just like everybody "knew" the console was going to be required to be online 24/7 just a month ago.

 

[Axon]

Because there is a huge difference between must connect ever 30 days vs must connect ever day. Despite the fact that we don't have any real information about it must being connect at all, there is no reason to foam at the mouth over it. (Not implying you were one of the people foaming at the mouth about it, but there are those that are)

A fair point. I doubt it's going to be a month, unfortunately.

 

[pathos]

This is about right. At the end of the day, the people on board with XBO will stay that way, and the people that hate it will stay that way. Most smart people will wait until after E3 when they actually have all the facts before they make any judgements.

If we have all the facts then. I get this feeling some of this might drag on for some time. Just a feeling though.

 

[Aikouka]

Just like everybody "knew" the console was going to be required to be online 24/7 just a month ago.

There's a huge difference between conjecture based upon paper-thin "evidence" and someone officially stating that they believe it's a specific way. Hell even if the guy stated with certainty that it is 24 hours, that doesn't mean Microsoft can't change it; it's all software after all.

 

[Arkaign]

This is about right. At the end of the day, the people on board with XBO will stay that way, and the people that hate it will stay that way. Most smart people will wait until after E3 when they actually have all the facts before they make any judgements.

Edit: In Sony's conference, they talked at length about how it will always update to have the most current information and how it will install stuff in the background. Don't people realize that this means it will have to be connected to do any of this?

As for the Sony info, there's nothing about that update stuff that would necessarily mean you have to be online to play a SP game for example.

All you can say for certainty is that all of the game companies are interested in maximizing profits as much as possible, but there are limits to how far people are willing to be pushed. Sony is more of a blank page at this point in time, but Microsoft does seem very interested in monetizing more and more of the gaming experience, and their recent track record with Windows Phone and Windows 8 (hell even Windows Server 2013 has a useless touch-oriented interface despite virtually zero servers having touchscreens, most are headless anyway), it doesn't seem like they weigh consumer desires very much against the monetization angle. They're simply drooling with envy at Apple and Google's revenue streams from closed ecosystems and the complete control/virtual absence of 2nd-hand markets in those areas. Corralling people through the money gates at every chance is likely their primary interest. They may feel that the Xbox brand is bulletproof at this point.

If Sony follows suit and does the 'fee-based' used games, constant online requirements even for single player titles, high priced services required to play online games/use Netflix, etc, then they have no advantage. If they don't, and the experience is notably less intrusive/pricey (getting spam/ads on XBL despite paying for it already is silly for example), then they may start to make major gains. Both consoles will easily be able to play great titles. The difference is going to come in pricing and marketing, to gain popularity.

All the TV/random remote control bs, is just worthless to 99% of people. I'm sure Sony will tout some of that garbage as well, but nobody will care. Does anyone seriously have problems watching FIOS/Cable/etc already? Does anyone want to talk to their TV and wave at it? Silly.

 

[dagamer34]

Considering a lot of what they had written up on the web was completely wrong, I think I'll skip using them as a credited source for Xbox One information.

Oh, the reason why it's "wrong" is because Microsoft itself is giving out incomplete information. That Wired article with a deep dive was up as soon as the press conference was over, they didn't write it in an hour.

 

[SymphonyX7]

And Phil Harrison is the VP of Microsoft. His information regarding technical aspects of the Xbox One is not exactly the best source to get it from. He 'believes it is 24 hours', but that shows he is unsure. And MS released it was still up for debate.

And MS, as well as Sony, have stated it is up to developers if they want to implement an always online model on a per game basis.

There is just a lot of misinformation and rumors being spread around as fact. The used game scenario is one that has been the most annoying. Wired reported in order to buy used games you have to pay a fee. MS responded that is completely untrue. People still take it as fact that MS hates used games. Not that it should be a big surprise if used games are finished, since software has not be able to be resold for quite a long time.

I have every reason to believe they are merely testing the waters. Plain and simple.

 

[dagamer34]

Just like everybody "knew" the console was going to be required to be online 24/7 just a month ago.

And the 3 minute BS that spread rapidly around the Internet. At this point, I'll be waiting for E3.