I guess I can see why people may be upset about not being able to loan games to friends, but this doesn't effect me at all. My friends buy their own games. I really like the idea of fully installing a game and not needing to switch out discs.
Any external USB drive should work cutting upgrade costs by 75%. Though I have to ask why multiple drives? At even 25GB a disc. That's still 20 games you can have installed actively. Get a 2TB drove for $80 that's another 80 games.
This is a fringe requirement, the number of people who will find that amount of space insufficient are frankly irrelevant to Microsoft. I know a 500 GB drive would be ample for me. I do actually make do with the 20 GB in the 360 because I am playing only one game at a time. If I play two (rarely) it's not quite enough.Because externals are much more expensive than internals. Also, 2TB may hold 80 Games max but people will want to add more than games and that may take up a lot of space as well. It'd be awesome if you could connect this device to your network and have it pull movies/games from a server...
My life is easier as a collector. There are now a fixed finite amount of games for me to collect since used games and consoles are now dead from here on out. NES through PS2 and basically a handful of meaningful 360 and PS3 games that are worth anything.
This is a fringe requirement, the number of people who will find that amount of space insufficient are frankly irrelevant to Microsoft. I know a 500 GB drive would be ample for me.
This is probably true if you play one game at a time and plan to delete it afterwards. But for the other 95% of us it's not even close. That 500 GB is already losing space for the dual OS, updates, saves and media apps installed. Throw in 50 GB games and some recorded HD on the DVR and you're already out of space. Considering there's about a $20 difference between the 500 GB and 1 TB drive right now it's very short sighted to settle on the 500.
Xbox one...maybe it can do everything but what's the point if you don't have the space.
I remember Mortal Kombat selling for $80
actually that is a terrible article.
Opinions are opinions. It hits every point for me. Actually, let me be a little more clear...it reveals the depth of this laughable f--k up from Microsoft.
well yeah, we know that ms is running in circles. they aren't the first to report it and we have pages and pages here discussing it.
bringing the wii-u into the discussion in that article was 100% out of place and has no relevancy at all. you can tell it's just a video game nerd who is angry at ms who wrote that article.
Collectible market? Let's be realistic here. There are maybe 10 games in the history of gaming worth anything NEW, let alone used.
The used game market might be hurt by this, but it hasn't hurt the PC industry at all. Games go on sale within weeks of being released on Steam. You don't have to pay $10 less a week after launch for a used copy, because 3 weeks after launch it is on sale for 50% off.
New pricing model isn't based on what MS thinks the game is worth. They are not the sellers, the publishers are. If EA thinks Madden is worth $60 until the next one comes out, well there is not much you can do about that, even in today's market. Most used games sale happen from Gamestop. You buy a game, beat it in a week, and they give you maybe $35 for it and resell it for $55, unless it is a horrible game then they give you $5 for it and resell it for $25. The market is already getting screwed over. How do you know MS won't be offering you 80% of retail for your licenses, no matter the quality of the game? We don't.
I agree with the fact that we just don't know what the real story on the situation is with the XB1 yet, could be anything, hopefully we have the whole story soon.
As to the bolded, you must be very young or not pay attention. There are a TON of extremely valuable used games out there. Pre-NES stuff is mostly worthless, but as of now there are quite a lot of NES through PS2-era games that are worth considerable money even CIB. New, as you say, can be crazy.
29 graded nintendo games : $5k+
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-Lo...7807?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a2c26a9ef
Earthbound SNES : $3500
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Pla...4604?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item1c31e1eecc
Final Fantasy II Snes : $2225
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Final-Fanta...5469?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a2cb1a2bd
So you see, they can be pretty spectacular, but of course sealed stuff is silly in a lot of ways because most people don't collect sealed stuff while they're gaming.
But, if you take care of your stuff, a game collection can become retain some decent value over the years :
26 common open N64 games, $1000
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Huge-26-Nin...252?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item589be2e8c4
It's cool because if you hold onto your gaming stuff for 10+ years, you can eventually sell it for a decent chunk of change. My collection right now is worth in the range of $40k-$50k, and it's not even that huge (I kept a bunch of sealed stuff from the NWC era, as well as the grey). I have a 6 month old baby boy, and when he gets around 16, I'll sell half the stuff to buy him a safe car/truck, and save the rest to help with college.
So yeah, look into collecting. Even minty black-box PS2 stuff is on the way up. I have a good number of $100+ PS1 games that continue to increase in value. I'm not super sure if PS3/360 games will ever be valuable, but history tells me at least some of them will be.
The returns on some of these are actually pretty horrible. 26 n64 games at $50 a pop costs about $1000. And after 15 years, you can sell it for...the same amount of money. If you're serious about saving for college, you're better off buying index funds, or treasuries.
I guess I can see why people may be upset about not being able to loan games to friends, but this doesn't effect me at all. My friends buy their own games. I really like the idea of fully installing a game and not needing to switch out discs.
The more I read the more the initial 10-15% probability I was going to buy this declines. It's well under 5% now.
Because externals are much more expensive than internals. Also, 2TB may hold 80 Games max but people will want to add more than games and that may take up a lot of space as well. It'd be awesome if you could connect this device to your network and have it pull movies/games from a server...
The returns on some of these are actually pretty horrible. 26 n64 games at $50 a pop costs about $1000. And after 15 years, you can sell it for...the same amount of money. If you're serious about saving for college, you're better off buying index funds, or treasuries.
So, the cloud servers will also be used for some compute tasks. http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/24/xbox-cloud-computing-gaming/
Not a bad deal, considering this could add in some extra horse power. Reminds me of a modern SNES system, with their expandable carts.
As far as old game value, you can guess what your values are and use ebay to pretend that stuff is selling, but let's be real. The market for old, used video games is about as 10 people and they are all buying them to resell at a higher value later. You're better off buying the retro Jordans. Buy any new pair of Jordan 11s for $180 and you can list them on ebay the same day for $400 and sell them. Rare Foamposites? Those can go for even more. My Galaxy Foamposists (that I paid ~$280 for) go for over $1500 and they are maybe a year old.
there still 10 gb free on my 20gb HDD on my xbox360
i think ive used under 30gb on my 200gb PS3
that number is no where close to 95%
$1000 is better than $0, which is what XB1 games *might* be worth secondhand. Again, it's not even about investment, it's about taking what you're spending already on games, and retaining some value. It's notable that $1000 is worth less than it was during the N64 era, so those have lost value in absolute terms, but still isn't a complete loss, which is nice when you're going to spend that money anyway.
N64 isn't even that old.
As for me, I'm already set, $40k is the low side of the value of what I already have.
But let's examine value for a hardcore gamer.
Say you started playing SNES on release. Say you got 2 new games a month, and kept everything (box/manual/etc). After 5 years of playing, you have spent $6000 on games (this is what it costs to be a gamer anyway). That's 120 games CIB. Lets say that half of those games are essentially common blah titles at $25 CIB value now (the low side of SNES CIB value for sure). Then lets say that a quarter of them are above-average value titles that are worth about $50 cib, which is pretty reasonable. Then 1/8th of them are premier titles worth a pretty good bit at $75/pop. Then 1/8th highly sought after CIBs that sell for $100+. Then one or two expensive ones that now command $1k.
Total is over $7k, and that's still not beating inflation, but it's retaining most of its sunk costs, and that's just for a single system over 5 years. If you were a console gamer for 20+ years and bought a couple titles a month the entire time, you'll definitely build up some respectable value over the years.
Sure it's not for everyone to be clear, but there has been a good case for taking care of your stuff in gaming for me personally. I have some extras from the NES/SNES era due to my unique spot in that part of gaming history, and that made it far easier for me to get a ton of sealed/rare/unique stuff built up.