The Official Xbox One Thread

[KaOTiK]

II'm also keen on getting rid of my DVR for the xbox dvr but, that's me.

The X1 isn't a DVR...

 

[smackababy]

Why do you act like the family share thing is something amazing. You've been able to do it all along already You aren't playing Halo and your son wants too, he can play it, hell anybody can play it that you give that disc too with no restrictions. I don't understand how this is some new magical feature just because MS made it a bullet point to try and make it look like one doesn't mean it is one.

The family settings are a bit more indepth this time around. Say you have a family of 4. Only you have to pay for your live account, and your wife and two children can have their completely own accounts that are somehow tied to yours. They get 100% of the Xbox Live function, but only you have to pay for a single account.

That is a pretty good value for people with multiple accounts on a single Xbox. I would assume that as the parent account, you can also set up parental settings for the child accounts. Game rating limits, play time limits and what they are allowed to purchase.

 

[smackababy]

I remember... it was a lot of drama.. those people creating all that drama now have steam accounts.

I was very upset, but I made a Steam account. I wasn't not going to play HL2, afterall. Then I realized that it wasn't really that bad.

 

[exdeath]

The funny thing is that Steam just got sued for not allowing you to resell a used game so that may be changing. The beauty is that if steam were to implement a system where you can transfer your key to another user, it wouldn't be that big of a deal since games can be had for cheap there not long after they come out anyway. The video game companies are just trying to save their $60 price point with all their might.

Once upon a time I've paid $70-90 for a single video game, this before I was even 16 and old enough to have a regularly paying job.

If they want my money, they know what they have to do. Hint: it takes a LOT of development effort and sincerity and the hearts and souls of the developers and not just a cut and paste FPS.

 

[Arkaign]

I remember... it was a lot of drama.. those people creating all that drama now have steam accounts.

I'm an odd one, I didn't complain about Steam, but I also don't use it. I prefer GoG or physical copy whenever possible. I'm only on Origin (gah) because I really wanted to play BF3. In that way I'm something of a hypocrite, because I personally don't like their setup. But, I did get it for peanuts quickly after launch, so whatever.

 

[Arkaign]

The X1 isn't a DVR...

True, I see a lot of people that think the Xbone does more than it does. It's a tuner and PIP device in all practical terms.

Maybe they will add DVR capability? I imagine the only reason it's not there yet is some digital licensing fees that MS is hesitant to get involved with. After all, you're not 'officially' supposed to be able to even DVR NFL games AT ALL, and NFL is one of the partners. Technically you could be sued by the NFL for taping one of their games. But they mainly go after bigger fish than individuals.

 

[quest55720]

Me and my brothers live in different parts of the country. Consolidating our game library online makes sense, especially for the single player story driven games that this makes sense for like Mass Effect.

You really think they went through all this trouble on used games to let 10 people split a game library which is 100x worse? There will be fine print on this like it will have to be under 1 main account with sub accounts for the house hold. A limit on time played on a system that is not the home console. There will be something you can bet on that. Just like FTP sounds great right but it is behind the gold pay wall. You can be they will be looking for what you and your bother will try and do. Then ban the account and games are rendered useless.

 

[gus6464]

True, I see a lot of people that think the Xbone does more than it does. It's a tuner and PIP device in all practical terms.

Maybe they will add DVR capability? I imagine the only reason it's not there yet is some digital licensing fees that MS is hesitant to get involved with. After all, you're not 'officially' supposed to be able to even DVR NFL games AT ALL, and NFL is one of the partners. Technically you could be sued by the NFL for taping one of their games. But they mainly go after bigger fish than individuals.

There is no way in hell the cable providers will let the xbone work as a DVR for their services unless MS pays them a crapload of money to offset the loss they will have by not having a customer pay for their DVR.

U-verse lets you use the 360 as a receiver but you have to pay ATT $50 to turn on the feature and you get no DVR functionality.

 

[Arkaign]

There is no way in hell the cable providers will let the xbone work as a DVR for their services unless MS pays them a crapload of money to offset the loss they will have by not having a customer pay for their DVR.

U-verse lets you use the 360 as a receiver but you have to pay ATT $50 to turn on the feature and you get no DVR functionality.

Ah good point, forgot about the providers already nickel and diming for the damned things.

 

[Arkaign]

So in short, the Xbone does really nothing but make an existing media room setup more complicated?

Extra Xbox console, extra Kinect, plug it into your cable box, plug it into your DVR, crap everywhere. Oh, and keep your 360 connected as well unless you don't ever want to play 360 again.

To be fair, the PS4 is the exact same way, it's not like it's going to save you any space.

It's just that any hype about the Xbone's media BS is just silly, and often misunderstood. "I'll replace my DVR! I can replace my tuner!!" Nope.

 

[RedRooster]

Me and my brothers live in different parts of the country. Consolidating our game library online makes sense, especially for the single player story driven games that this makes sense for like Mass Effect.

That actually would be pretty cool if you were comfortable using each other's Live accounts. Let your brother(in another city) sign in with your Live account when you're at work and he can play all your games(after he downloads a couple). Or one goes away for the weekend and one of you log in with his to play a new game he got.
That's almost the same as mailing him the disc, plus you get the benefit of him getting you achivements!

 

[EightySix Four]

That actually would be pretty cool if you were comfortable using each other's Live accounts. Let your brother(in another city) sign in with your Live account when you're at work and he can play all your games(after he downloads a couple). Or one goes away for the weekend and one of you log in with his to play a new game he got.
That's almost the same as mailing him the disc, plus you get the benefit of him getting you achivements!

Based on our current understanding of MS's policies, if we're all on a family account (we already use the family gold now anyways), we should be able to have a shared game library with all of our gamer tags separate. Up to 10 people according to their site.

 

[EightySix Four]

So in short, the Xbone does really nothing but make an existing media room setup more complicated?

Extra Xbox console, extra Kinect, plug it into your cable box, plug it into your DVR, crap everywhere. Oh, and keep your 360 connected as well unless you don't ever want to play 360 again.

To be fair, the PS4 is the exact same way, it's not like it's going to save you any space.

It's just that any hype about the Xbone's media BS is just silly, and often misunderstood. "I'll replace my DVR! I can replace my tuner!!" Nope.

We get it, you don't like it. They already allow a 360 to act as a tuner for U-Verse, why wouldn't they allow an X1 to do the same thing?

 

[BoberFett]

You really think they went through all this trouble on used games to let 10 people split a game library which is 100x worse? There will be fine print on this like it will have to be under 1 main account with sub accounts for the house hold. A limit on time played on a system that is not the home console. There will be something you can bet on that. Just like FTP sounds great right but it is behind the gold pay wall. You can be they will be looking for what you and your bother will try and do. Then ban the account and games are rendered useless.

Exactly. Why spend all this time clamping down on licensing, then open it up to anybody who can claim 9 random people are their family? You know websites for setting up "families" would spring up immediately.

 

[EightySix Four]

Exactly. Why spend all this time clamping down on licensing, then open it up to anybody who can claim 9 random people are their family? You know websites for setting up "families" would spring up immediately.

Limiting it the same way they limited the $99/year 5 person family plan. Using a single credit card and requiring everyone to be part of the same "household." That's not to say people didn't cheat, but it's a real pain in the ass when you have to call someone to ask them to add points to your account.

It doesn't matter at this point, we know they are offering it in some way, anything beyond 10 users in a family having a shared game library of some sort is just speculation. I will say, if it's borked in some way with hoops way beyond my expectations, I'll cancel my preorder and hold off on this generation for a 6 months or so and see how things are going.

 

[gus6464]

We get it, you don't like it. They already allow a 360 to act as a tuner for U-Verse, why wouldn't they allow an X1 to do the same thing?

A tuner is not a DVR like most people think it is. And U-verse does not let you use the 360 as a box unless you have another box from ATT as the master box. So once again the xbone does not and will not ever let you get rid of your current providers cable or satellite box. This is a strong misconception that people seem to have with the console.

 

[Pheran]

Me and my brothers live in different parts of the country. Consolidating our game library online makes sense, especially for the single player story driven games that this makes sense for like Mass Effect.

Have fun coordinating your gaming times, since only one of your family members can play at a time.

 

[BoberFett]

Limiting it the same way they limited the $99/year 5 person family plan. Using a single credit card and requiring everyone to be part of the same "household." That's not to say people didn't cheat, but it's a real pain in the ass when you have to call someone to ask them to add points to your account.

It doesn't matter at this point, we know they are offering it in some way, anything beyond 10 users in a family having a shared game library of some sort is just speculation. I will say, if it's borked in some way with hoops way beyond my expectations, I'll cancel my preorder and hold off on this generation for a 6 months or so and see how things are going.

Except you've already stated this is nothing like the family plan. These are separate account. And if they all have to be in the same household, what's to stop people from lying? Are they eliminating Live Gold cards? Is it credit card only? Why couldn't 10 random people team up from an Xbox live account sharing site, then put money on a prepaid Visa and pay for it that way? I will almost guarantee you that the system will not be nearly as friendly as you seem to believe.

My guess is that it's the exact same thing we have now with DLC. Anybody can play it on the local console that it was purchased from, and the account that it was purchased through can play it on any Xbox. But a different account or different console won't work. That's my guess.

 

[EightySix Four]

A tuner is not a DVR like most people think it is. And U-verse does not let you use the 360 as a box unless you have another box from ATT as the master box. So once again the xbone does not and will not ever let you get rid of your current providers cable or satellite box. This is a strong misconception that people seem to have with the console.

I never said it would let you get rid of it, I currently use my Xbox with ATT so I understand how it works. I just don't see why Arkaign thinks it will be quite so screwed. Even if it doesn't let you get rid of your box (which I have no expectations of it doing so, at least not without at least one other box in the house), I'm still fairly excited about the fast switching aspects and seeing how they can integrate content.

Except you've already stated this is nothing like the family plan. These are separate account. And if they all have to be in the same household, what's to stop people from lying? Are they eliminating Live Gold cards? Is it credit card only? Why couldn't 10 random people team up from an Xbox live account sharing site, then put money on a prepaid Visa and pay for it that way?

I will almost guarantee you that the system will not be nearly as friendly as you seem to believe.

When did I state that? We simply don't know if they are separate accounts, they could require the family to have one master XBL account with sub accounts below that, which still doesn't bother me. I can almost guarantee that the system will not be nearly as hard as you seem to believe

Have fun coordinating your gaming times, since only one of your family members can play at a time.

Now you're grasping at straws. If it works out as expected, we'll all agree to original purchaser gets first dibs and for others it is first come first serve. Text messages move fast.

We'll just have to see.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I don't want to alarm anyone, but...if MS succeeds at this, the terrorists have won.



ohh..and Microsoft hates your freedom (in my best G. W. Bush voice).

 

[smackababy]

I don't want to alarm anyone, but...if MS succeeds at this, the terrorists have won.



ohh..and Microsoft hates your freedom (in my best G. W. Bush voice).

I don't want to alarm anyone, but... my outrage for this type of stuff ran out in 2004 when Valve stole my innocence with Half-Life 2.

Maybe I have been programmed since to hate freedom?

 

[purbeast0]

so apparently on the ki stream earlier they stated that ki is free to play but you can still buy the full game. so that is good to know you can get everything for the full game price. i just hope that it comes out disc based because i don't want any games digital only unless it is a $10 game.

i think other than ms changing policies, the only thing they could do to save face and get some momentum back is to announce the digital versions of games at like $20 less than the disc based games.

however the chance of that happening is about as good as me winning the powerball 3 times in a row.

 

[EightySix Four]

I don't want to alarm anyone, but...if MS succeeds at this, the terrorists have won.



ohh..and Microsoft hates your freedom (in my best G. W. Bush voice).

I'm confused, facebook tells me that they won some kind of prism already?

 

[purbeast0]

i was just talking to a buddy and we were thinking about what xbox1 can honestly think they can use to win people over over them buying the ps4.

with xbox1 you literally get nothing better. the only thing "better" is exclusives, but that is totally subjective to a persons opinion. but factually we know the following:

1. you pay $100 more a less powerful console.
2. you can't rent or lend games to your friends.
3. the used game sale/purchase thing is a mess.
4. you have to have kinect connected, which it sounds like many people don't even want
5. you get more stuff on the "free" accounts on either system, on ps4 (ie, netflix is free on ps4, not on x1).

like other than xbox live being an already set in place sysetm that people trust, and exclusives, can anyone honestly think of 1 reason why the x1 would be a better purchase over the ps4? like if you had to convince someone, how would you do it?

i'm just curious what people can come up with.

 

[purbeast0]

if you are interested in killer instinct, watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHVuO03LKAQ&feature=player_embedded

sit down with the devs and wow they are REALLY giving me some hope. they are realyl looking to get people to play the game to get feedback. they state they want to hear what sucks and what feels bad, so they can tweak it. really good to hear that from a dev flat out.

they also state the f2p thing is more of a 'massive demo' because the full game will be available at launch with everything.

definitely feeling better about this game after hearing the news this morning.