The Official Xbox One Thread

[cmdrdredd]

Dunno if anyone plays Dead Rising 3 here but I suck at getting rid of zombies attacking my cars. Whenever I got one attacking on the drivers side, I do as the game suggests and do a clockwise on my right thumbstick but it doesn't seem to work. Getting so annoyed. Help?

I remember when that happened I'd rub a pole or object in the environment to squish them.

 

[Topweasel]

I remember when that happened I'd rub a pole or object in the environment to squish them.

Or slam into a wall, wiggle the car really fast, take a turn really fast, or slam on the breaks, there is probably a dozen ways to get them off of you.

 

[Drako]

Dunno if anyone plays Dead Rising 3 here but I suck at getting rid of zombies attacking my cars. Whenever I got one attacking on the drivers side, I do as the game suggests and do a clockwise on my right thumbstick but it doesn't seem to work. Getting so annoyed. Help?

If you have Kinect, just shake your hands back and forth.

 

[smackababy]

Ugh, been playing Fifa lately (world cup, ofc) and I have been getting a ton of disconnects from XBL. Nothing wrong with my internet and I can't reconnect until I either log out / log back in, reset my router information on the Xbox, or turn it off / on. It also takes a long time to log out for some reason. There is no reason logging out should take 45 seconds. This is really messing with my ultimate team... Playing a match and getting DC'd before it saves still consumes a contract, but you don't get the win.

 

[Wingznut]

How the Xbox One 10% GPU Boost Without Kinect Works

10 percent of the console's graphics processing unit is typically reserved for Kinect functionality so now the motion camera is no longer compulsory this can be reallocated. Now, Microsoft Studios Ken Lobb has told Eurogamer what this means in practice, and reassured current Kinect owners that voice control and game capture will still be perfectly viable despite the changes.


Destiny / 17 Jun 2014
How the Xbox One 10% GPU Boost Without Kinect Works
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Bungie has already confirmed it's been able to improve how Destiny looks.

By Luke KarmaliMicrosoft has explained how developers will be able to wring more power out of Xbox One's GPU now that Kinect is no longer mandatory.

10 percent of the console's graphics processing unit is typically reserved for Kinect functionality so now the motion camera is no longer compulsory this can be reallocated. Now, Microsoft Studios Ken Lobb has told Eurogamer what this means in practice, and reassured current Kinect owners that voice control and game capture will still be perfectly viable despite the changes.
Xbox One Could Become More Powerful Without Kinect
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"Lots of people ask, 'so, you're taking back the GPU reserve for Kinect. Well, does that mean I can't say, 'Xbox, record that?' No. You can always say that," Lobb explained. "If someone says, 'Xbox record that,' it will work on 100 per cent of the games, if you have a Kinect."

He continued by revealing that Microsoft has reworked the console into using a flexible system, where it can bounce the GPU and RAM depending on what you want it to do. Just because you don't have a Kinect, doesn't mean you have more RAM, though the company has optimised the console's operating system to support "flipping back and forth". So it'll listen to you some of the time, "and then pulling back if it's needed for a frame to go, he said, 'record that,' go record this thing. And you have to count for that whether you're using Kinect or not. But you get the full memory and the full bandwidth."

Of course, all this assumes developers support Kinect. If a studio wants to go ahead and create a title in which Kinect plays no part, then gesture controls and visual recognition will be suspended while the game runs. Once it's minimised, however, it's business as usual.

While it'll be up to devs to decide how to use the extra resources, Destiny creator Bungie has already confirmed it's been able to increase the fps and resolution of Destiny on Xbox One to match the PS4 version, signalling this long-awaited change could be the move Microsoft needed to make to close the gap in performance between it and Sony's consoles.

 

[TeknoBug]

Oh interesting, then again 10% isn't that much, maybe ~3-5 frames average?

 

[cmdrdredd]

It would depend on the game and what the developer wants to do. Destiny is 1080p @ 30fps but the scale of the game is huge and the draw distance very far. I still think there are some untapped resources that could be used for the game but playing the alpha test was very impressive to me.

It is also important to remember that resolution and frame rate are only two factors. Texture detail, draw distance, LOD etc. Are all very important when judging graphic quality. Resolution and frame rate are all that is mentioned most of the time.

 

[purbeast0]

if i end up getting destiny, chances are it would be on x1 regardless of the boost because xbl is better than psn and the primary focus of this game is online, and the controller for x1 is simply better to me for fps games than the ps4 controller. but as of now i don't plan on snagging it. this extra boost would be nice though.

 

[Anteaus]

Open world games have always been hard on game consoles in general. Resources are finite. Compared to the low draw distance, excessive mip map, blurry open world games of the past, Destiny is pushing consoles in PC territory in regards to how large levels can be before compromises must be made.

30 FPS isn't optimal, but it's a small price to pay if it means the game fidelity is much higher in response.

It's easier to do 60 FPS in a first per shooter when the levels are much smaller and trickery is used to portray distance.

 

[Anteaus]

Oh interesting, then again 10% isn't that much, maybe ~3-5 frames average?

It depends what that 10% is used for as not 100% of the console power is used for graphics. Every game engine is different. 10% could mean 1080P versus 900P on one game or 60 FPS versus 30 FPS for another. It could also mean that some games don't improve much at all. I'd look toward 2015 before properly optimized games start showing up. That 10% might balloon to 17% once the glut gets removed. The PS4 will always be better hardware wise, but real world differences are going to become less and less perceptable over time. As it is now, the differences are only apparent if you actively seek them out. Not all, but most multiplatform games are going to be indistinguishable from console to console in spite of minor differences in resolution. To the end user, it's all displayed at 1080P (scaled or native) anyway.

 

[cmdrdredd]

if i end up getting destiny, chances are it would be on x1 regardless of the boost because xbl is better than psn and the primary focus of this game is online, and the controller for x1 is simply better to me for fps games than the ps4 controller. but as of now i don't plan on snagging it. this extra boost would be nice though.

The game played flawlessly on PS4 online. There is no difference. XBL is not better anymore. They are equal, it just depends on how the developer makes their netcode...looking at you DICE.

 

[purbeast0]

The game played flawlessly on PS4 online. There is no difference. XBL is not better anymore. They are equal, it just depends on how the developer makes their netcode...looking at you DICE.

well yeah i believe you and all, but since i don't really play ps4 games online, i don't plan on renewing my PSN+ unless a new hot shots golf game comes out, or there is just something i HAVE to play on ps4 online. on x1 i will have live the entire lifetime because of the fighters i play. i wish i hadn't wasted my psn+ card already, i've literally played about 10 minutes of kz online with it.

 

[TeknoBug]

well yeah i believe you and all, but since i don't really play ps4 games online, i don't plan on renewing my PSN+ unless a new hot shots golf game comes out, or there is just something i HAVE to play on ps4 online. on x1 i will have live the entire lifetime because of the fighters i play. i wish i hadn't wasted my psn+ card already, i've literally played about 10 minutes of kz online with it.

Yeah the games I plan on getting for PS4 aren't going to be played online, however the F2P games like Blacklight Redemption, Planetside 2, Everquest and maybe Landmark will be playable online without PSN+. One of the reasons why I went with the PS4.

 

[cmdrdredd]

well yeah i believe you and all, but since i don't really play ps4 games online, i don't plan on renewing my PSN+ unless a new hot shots golf game comes out, or there is just something i HAVE to play on ps4 online. on x1 i will have live the entire lifetime because of the fighters i play. i wish i hadn't wasted my psn+ card already, i've literally played about 10 minutes of kz online with it.

Well obviously if you aren't a subscriber...

I have played both xb1 and ps4 online quite a bit and aside from the way friends and party chat was handled differently between them, the game play was good either way and matchmaking works. Destiny has dedicated servers anyway so it will be good on bith platforms.

 

[railven]

To the end user, it's all displayed at 1080P (scaled or native) anyway.

Why do people keep citing this as an argument?

Just say most people won't tell the difference. They won't. But there is still a difference.

Well obviously if you aren't a subscriber...

I have played both xb1 and ps4 online quite a bit and aside from the way friends and party chat was handled differently between them, the game play was good either way and matchmaking works. Destiny has dedicated servers anyway so it will be good on bith platforms.

So far I'd have to give Sony a big props. While I don't do MP much, their online function/service has come a long way from what I recall on PS3. Heck, even Netflix streaming is better on the PS4 than the Xbone.

 

[Anteaus]

Why do people keep citing this as an argument?

Just say most people won't tell the difference. They won't. But there is still a difference.

Because it's true. No one denies that. I'm basically saying that a technical advantage does not in every case correlate with an empirical advantage. The PS3 had a huge technical advantage with the cell processor, but it didn't manifest into a tangeable advantage once in game.

Anyways, I'm not trying to push a console wars agenda. The PS4 has the favorable hardware. There is no debate there. I just wanted to say that even without the addition of the 10%, there is nothing shameful about owning an XB1.

 

[sze5003]

The destiny alpha played flawlessly on ps4 online. I had no issues getting on and joining friends and even hopping from fireteams back and forth. But if you don't play ps4 there is no need to have a subscription if you mainly are on Xbox.

But in terms of online I never had problems with psn. Only one hiccup on release day of watchdogs but it never happened afterwards.

 

[railven]

Because it's true. No one denies that. I'm basically saying that a technical advantage does not in every case correlate with an empirical advantage. The PS3 had a huge technical advantage with the cell processor, but it didn't manifest into a tangeable advantage once in game.

While true, it is implying that because both are outputted at 1080p there is no difference. In a conversation about movie formats (DVD vs Blu-Ray) ending the conversation with "it's still 1080p at the end" is rather misleading. And, I'm not trying to even turn this into a console war, just more so on a technical level.

PS3 had a CPU advantage, 360 had a GPU advantage, end of the day this generation of gaming is GPU dependent.

Anyways, I'm not trying to push a console wars agenda. The PS4 has the favorable hardware. There is no debate there. I just wanted to say that even without the addition of the 10%, there is nothing shameful about owning an XB1.

I own an Xbone and I have no shame. Why people feel shame over owning a product is beyond me. Why do we even have to pretty our words to make anyone feel better about something they bought, want to buy, or are thinking about buying? Haha. Just blows my mind. I own an Xbone and I wouldn't recommend it unless someone had the cash to blow and enjoyed a handful of games. Nothing to do with hardware.

 

[Aikouka]

well yeah i believe you and all, but since i don't really play ps4 games online, i don't plan on renewing my PSN+ unless a new hot shots golf game comes out, or there is just something i HAVE to play on ps4 online. on x1 i will have live the entire lifetime because of the fighters i play. i wish i hadn't wasted my psn+ card already, i've literally played about 10 minutes of kz online with it.

What about the free games that you get? I don't know if you actually play any of those or not. Also, don't all XBOX One games that Microsoft gives away through Games for Gold have the same subscription requirement as PlayStation Plus? (Note, XBOX 360 games do not... just XBOX One.)

 

[Lil Frier]

Yes, the One's policy has changed to require a sub, but maybe he just doesn't want both subs.

 

[Tweak155]

Yes, the One's policy has changed to require a sub, but maybe he just doesn't want both subs.

Not to mention paying for a sub <> free games.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Not to mention paying for a sub free games.

May as well be when I have already made up the cost of PSN+ in 6 months by not having to buy the games they give me.

Games with gold will be the same. I'll make up the cost of the sub by getting a bunch of games I didn't have to buy. Calculate the cost of those games had I purchased them and I may as well just get the subscription for free.

 

[billclutterman]

I've been asked several times recently by people who want to trade or sell me their xb1. A few times I considered it but after the 3rd person I started to wonder why they all want to get rid of it. Most of them want to trade towards gaming pc stuff so I guess that doesn't speak too well of the ps4 either.

 

[TeknoBug]

I've been asked several times recently by people who want to trade or sell me their xb1. A few times I considered it but after the 3rd person I started to wonder why they all want to get rid of it. Most of them want to trade towards gaming pc stuff so I guess that doesn't speak too well of the ps4 either.

I'm actually starting to lose interest in PC gaming, been PC gaming since the early 90's but at the same time having consoles (NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, Dreamcast, X360 and now just got a PS4). Seems game devs are treating PC as second fiddle now because consoles is where the cash flow is and most games in the past 5 years has been console ports rather than PC ports, plus some titles I want to play aren't available for PC (like Madden and NHL series).

Back then games like Call of Duty 4 was a PC port converted to console, not the other way around like just about every game now, part of the reason why many new games has serious performance/stability issues on the PC platform.

 

[sze5003]

I still game on pc too but coming in a few months I'll need an upgrade and I don't know if I'll be able to afford it so I guess that's also why I bought a console. If I upgrade the pc it's usually getting high level upgrades not something in between so I dont like to fiddle around from medium to high and so on. I'll usually just go all out based on a price I want to pay for components.