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Life is to live and be enjoyable. I refuse to live in a pod and eat the bugs. Punishing people for simply wanting an enjoyable life that they worked hard for is a ridiculously selfish thing to do and benefits no one but the ruling class, who own big mansions and private jets and eat caviar and shark fin soup regularly. Their carbon footprint is much much worse than ours.

Authoritarian views like that are why lot of people hate liberals so much. Always wanting to control how people live or punish them in some way instead of minding their own business.
Do you have a reading problem?

No one is asking you to live in a pod and eat bugs.

I'm saying that society is currently structured to force people to live the way you want to live, instead of giving people real choice to live in sprawl or live in denser urban environments.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Life is to live and be enjoyable. I refuse to live in a pod and eat the bugs. Punishing people for simply wanting an enjoyable life that they worked hard for is a ridiculously selfish thing to do and benefits no one but the ruling class, who own big mansions and private jets and eat caviar and shark fin soup regularly. Their carbon footprint is much much worse than ours.

Authoritarian views like that are why lot of people hate liberals so much. Always wanting to control how people live or punish them in some way instead of minding their own business.
Your attitude is why the next two generations will probably see the end of modern civilization. That isn't rhetoric, it's just statistical likelihood, and I don't particularly care if you believe it or not.
 

Red Squirrel

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Do you have a reading problem?

No one is asking you to live in a pod and eat bugs.

I'm saying that society is currently structured to force people to live the way you want to live, instead of giving people real choice to live in sprawl or live in denser urban environments.

That's because that's how people want to live. You seem to be suggesting those people should be punished via more taxes which is ridiculous.

Those who want to live in denser environments can move there. No one is removing that choice.
 

Red Squirrel

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Your attitude is why the next two generations will probably see the end of modern civilization. That isn't rhetoric, it's just statistical likelihood, and I don't particularly care if you believe it or not.
And making life more expensive is not going to change any of that. Especially when we represent less than 2% of global emissions. If governments were actually serious about climate action they would start to sanction the big polluters like India and China and bring manufacturing here. This would also create lot of jobs in the process so it would be a big win.
 
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That's because that's how people want to live. You seem to be suggesting those people should be punished via more taxes which is ridiculous.

Those who want to live in denser environments can move there. No one is removing that choice.
You can't say "that's how people want to live" if they are given a Hobson choice (ie, the only choice). Urban environments tend to be very expensive now because of arbitrary restrictions on building more in those areas, and other arbitrary restrictions restrict the freedom of suburban property owners from adding density where they want.

However, if people want to live with sprawl, they need to pay for that one way or another.

But perhaps you specifically should be penalized with more taxes, just because.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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And making life more expensive is not going to change any of that. Especially when we represent less than 2% of global emissions. If governments were actually serious about climate action they would start to sanction the big polluters like India and China and bring manufacturing here. This would also create lot of jobs in the process so it would be a big win.
Yup, that's right, it's always someone else's fault. Assuming you live long enough, remember to talk a lot about this when the temps are another 2c higher, and we can't grow crops because all insect life has died out.

Always someone else's fault. If only they had listened to you.
 

IronWing

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That's because that's how people want to live. You seem to be suggesting those people should be punished via more taxes which is ridiculous.

Those who want to live in denser environments can move there. No one is removing that choice.
The taxes are there to end the free ride you've been getting on the pollution you cause. "Polluter pays" is the best way to address pollution.
 

Red Squirrel

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The data does not lie. China is lika a quarter. Actually I did not realize the US was higher than India, but Canada is pretty small. Either way, simply punishing individuals is not the answer.

 

BoomerD

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And making life more expensive is not going to change any of that. Especially when we represent less than 2% of global emissions. If governments were actually serious about climate action they would start to sanction the big polluters like India and China and bring manufacturing here. This would also create lot of jobs in the process so it would be a big win.
Do you really thinnk the corporations wi be ok with moving manufacturing or tech support jobs here? Remember, they took those jobs to those othercountries because of cheaper labor...and fewer environmental regs...among other things.
I'm all for bringing American jobs back to the USA, but I know it will cause prices to go up.
 
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Red Squirrel

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The taxes are there to end the free ride you've been getting on the pollution you cause. "Polluter pays" is the best way to address pollution.
But we still need to live our lives, it's ridiculous to force us into poverty, which seems to be the goal. They will not stop increasing them until we give up everything we own.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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The data does not lie. China is lika a quarter. Actually I did not realize the US was higher than China, but Canada is pretty small. Either way, simply punishing individuals is not the answer.

Punishment not found.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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But we still need to live our lives, it's ridiculous to force us into poverty, which seems to be the goal. They will not stop increasing them until we give up everything we own.
"Force us into poverty", LOL! You bought a big ass truck because you wanted a big ass truck. Now you don't want to pay for the pollution caused by your choice.
 

sandorski

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We pay it too on natural gas, gas for car, etc. Also those corporations just pass the cost on to us. Every step of the supply chain such as trucking pays it, so by the time the end product (Ex: groceries) make it to us the price is inflated. And it keeps going up each year too. The little "rebate" does not make up for it. That's just bait to try to buy votes. The sheep like "free" government money.

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It is a disincentive. It gives you time to change your Carbon footprint.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Taxes are punishment. You could even rename it to fines. Fines are the government taking money from you to punish you for something you did, which is basically what this tax is doing. Taxing us for our normal every day activities.
So how would you pay for the roads you drive, the healthcare you receive, or the infrastructure that provides your electricity, water, and fuel? Would you want to get sick all the time from contaminated food products?

Mind you, that the regulations that ensure those things are safe and reliable in the first place were written in blood.
 

sdifox

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I am going to call Justin and tell him Nutty Squirrel bought a wood burning stove so that Justin can eminent domain Nutty Squirrel's house. /snitch

then maybe Justin can sell Squirrel's house and pay me the 8k he owes me every year of his whole life for me subsidising his rural lifestyle.
 
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Red Squirrel

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It is a disincentive. It gives you time to change your Carbon footprint.

By doing what exactly? Freezing to death, quitting my job, not eating? It's a ridiculous premise.

The whole concept is just a great example of how liberal people like to control how others live.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Life is to live and be enjoyable. I refuse to live in a pod and eat the bugs. Punishing people for simply wanting an enjoyable life that they worked hard for is a ridiculously selfish thing to do and benefits no one but the ruling class, who own big mansions and private jets and eat caviar and shark fin soup regularly. Their carbon footprint is much much worse than ours.

Authoritarian views like that are why lot of people hate liberals so much. Always wanting to control how people live or punish them in some way instead of minding their own business.
Pathetic. Listen to yourself knowing that your enjoyment is leading to a future of ever greater disaster. This is our Responsibility.
 
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Should we ignore the sitting president calling half the nation garbage? How much do you think that helped Harris?
Smug superiority isn't a popular demeanor, it doesn't play well and is usually rejected.
Should we absolve the president elect saying PR is made of garbage? Should we ignore Vance saying people shouldn’t get offended then he promptly get offended as in the next day?
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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By doing what exactly? Freezing to death, quitting my job, not eating? It's a ridiculous premise.

The whole concept is just a great example of how liberal people like to control how others live.
You are so accustomed to the luxury of not having to consider the impacts of your choices on others that even a little accountability seems like oppression.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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You are so accustomed to the luxury of not having to consider the impacts of your choices on others that even a little accountability seems like oppression.

I have done more than my fair share, I let my house temp drop to 12 degrees if I'm not home, my lawnmower, snow blower, and even chainsaw is electric. What more do you want me to do? Go after the real polluters like Taylor Swift and Justin Trudeau flying around in their private jets everywhere.
 
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