The People Have Spoken

[Viper1j]

This is incorrect. People here illegally don't pay taxes as they have to be paid in cash. When they get sick or injured they go to the hospital, get treated, and don't pay. That cost is passed on as increased cost to the rest of us.
I don't have any issue with immigration, I do have an issue with illegal immigration.

Are you really trying to make people believe that illegals buy all their shit tax exempt?😲

 

[Greenman]

Are you really trying to make people believe that illegals buy all their shit tax exempt?😲

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Federal and state income tax? SSI? Are we going ignore those two so you can feel like you've made some brilliant point?
I can't imagine why you want a segment of the population not paying the bulk of taxes owed, while also knowing that what they're doing is a crime. As it turns out, the majority of voters don't want that, one of several reasons why the democrats took a beating in the election. So you go ahead and pretend you're clever while the adults fix the immigration problem.

 

[JujuFish]

Federal and state income tax? SSI? Are we going ignore those two so you can feel like you've made some brilliant point?
I can't imagine why you want a segment of the population not paying the bulk of taxes owed, while also knowing that what they're doing is a crime. As it turns out, the majority of voters don't want that, one of several reasons why the democrats took a beating in the election. So you go ahead and pretend you're clever while the adults fix the immigration problem.

But don't let facts stand in the way of ignorance.

 

[K1052]

Federal and state income tax? SSI? Are we going ignore those two so you can feel like you've made some brilliant point?

In recent years the undocumented immigrants have been paying about $20B in to SS and anther $6-7B into Medicare annually, directly. Programs they will never be able to use. The economic activity even the ones who are not paying directly also creates more revenue for these programs across the broader economy.

The damage to tax revenues and economic activity on the broadest scope would be huge if Trump's plan is fully implemented. I mean like an 8% GDP hit, roughly double that of the 2008-09 recession.

 

[trenchfoot]

So many words to draw the wrong conclusion. The first step in securing any outdoor position is to put a fence round it. Schools get fences, parks often have them, construction sites, swimming pools and millions of back yards have fences. A fence is a demarcation, and in some cases the first line of defense, or containment, it's not an impenetrable barrier.
The majority of Americans want the border secured, they want immigration to be controlled and immigrants to be vetted. This isn't unreasonable or based on hate, it's proper government.

If what you say is true, why did Trump stop the bipartisan Senate Republican authored Border Control Bill from being enacted? That bill would have accomplished what even you would have wanted. So you see, it's not so much what the people of the nation wanted, it's what Trump wants and you know very well what that was and is. He's going to keep that issue alive 'til the end of time if it suits his ego.

 

[Pens1566]

Once again, greenman shows us all how big of a fucking idiot they are. And once again, people attempt to engage with them. Waste of fucking time. Better odds on teaching their labradoodle differential equations.

 

[nickqt]

I am for building the wall. Democrats should support it. If it doesn't work as well as it has been touted by Republicans, oh well, at least there's a wall or whatever.

Democrats should just require that the wall suits multiple purposes. Throw some solar panels and batteries on it, wire it up to the grid, use it as an "aqueduct" for the grid.

I'm not seeing a downside to supporting it, and any money earmarked for the wall isn't earmarked for hunting down political opponents and women attempting to receive medical care.

 

[K1052]

I am for building the wall. Democrats should support it. If it doesn't work as well as it has been touted by Republicans, oh well, at least there's a wall or whatever.

Democrats should just require that the wall suits multiple purposes. Throw some solar panels and batteries on it, wire it up to the grid, use it as an "aqueduct" for the grid.

I'm not seeing a downside to supporting it, and any money earmarked for the wall isn't earmarked for hunting down political opponents and women attempting to receive medical care.

Back in 2018 Schumer was willing to trade wall money for legalizing 700k DACA recipients because he understood that the wall was pointless. Symbolically hated by Ds at the time but a big fat boondoggle that doesn't work.

 

[IronWing]

The wall is hell on wildlife. People will get over, under, around, or through (or just over stay their visas) but the animals are screwed.

 

[pcgeek11]

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But don't let facts stand in the way of ignorance.

From what I read in order to pay into SS and work in the US you must meet the requirements below. An Undocumented Illegal Alien would not have the proper documentation to obtain a SS Number or have a work authorization as an UNDocumented Alien.

https://www.un.org/other/afics/sites/www.un.org.other.afics/files/usr-pdf-ssa_-_social_security_numbers_for_noncitizens_pamphlet.pdf

What do I need to bring to the Social Security office?
You need to prove your identity and work-authorized immigration status.
To prove your identity and work-authorized immigration status, show us your current U.S. immigration documents and your unexpired foreign passport.

Acceptable immigration documents include your:
• Form I-551 (Lawful Permanent Resident Card, Machine-Readable Immigrant Visa);
• Admission stamp showing a class of admission permitting work;
• Form I-94 (Arrival/Departure Record); or • Form I-766 (Employment Authorization Document/EAD).


If they had all the requirements they wouldn't be undocumented would they?

 

[K1052]

From what I read in order to pay into SS and work in the US you must meet the requirements below. An Undocumented Illegal Alien would not have the proper documentation to obtain a SS Number or have a work authorization as an UNDocumented Alien.

https://www.un.org/other/afics/sites/www.un.org.other.afics/files/usr-pdf-ssa_-_social_security_numbers_for_noncitizens_pamphlet.pdf

What do I need to bring to the Social Security office?
You need to prove your identity and work-authorized immigration status.
To prove your identity and work-authorized immigration status, show us your current U.S. immigration documents and your unexpired foreign passport.

Acceptable immigration documents include your:
• Form I-551 (Lawful Permanent Resident Card, Machine-Readable Immigrant Visa);
• Admission stamp showing a class of admission permitting work;
• Form I-94 (Arrival/Departure Record); or • Form I-766 (Employment Authorization Document/EAD).


If they had all the requirements they wouldn't be undocumented would they?

I am impressed that people don't know how 1.5-2M migrants are working under SSNs that are not theirs.

 

[BoomerD]

No, the tears is just icing on the cake. The better policies are the real reason to vote that route.

Death camps…right?

 

[pcgeek11]

I am impressed that people don't know how 1.5-2M migrants are working under SSNs that are not theirs.

I know that only makes them more illegal.

So the more they break the law the better it is as far as you're concerned?

 

[K1052]

I know that only makes them more illegal.

So the more they break the law the better it is as far as you're concerned?

A lot of people do not believe that they are actually paying huge sums of taxes into programs they will never get to use effectively propping them up for everybody else. Simply a huge failure to understand the fiscal landscape that would change radically if they were suddenly gone.

 

[pcgeek11]

I'm all for proper vetted Legal Immigration.
This is not what we have had for the last 4 years. Not even close.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is incorrect. People here illegally don't pay taxes as they have to be paid in cash. When they get sick or injured they go to the hospital, get treated, and don't pay. That cost is passed on as increased cost to the rest of us.
I don't have any issue with immigration, I do have an issue with illegal immigration.

The still pay taxes. Tell me how.

 

[K1052]

I'm all for proper vetted Legal Immigration.

Which is most definitely absolutely not on offer from Trump/Rs.

This is not what we have had for the last 4 years. Not even close.

The surge in migrants is probably the only thing that's kept us from having a catastrophic labor shortage.

 

[nickqt]

Back in 2018 Schumer was willing to trade wall money for legalizing 700k DACA recipients because he understood that the wall was pointless. Symbolically hated by Ds at the time but a big fat boondoggle that doesn't work.

We're not winning any votes opposing the wall, and we're not winning any votes with DACA, as they aren't being made citizens/voters.

What was Trump's percentage in 2024 with hispanic voters? That's with him talking massive amounts of shit about illegal and legal immigrants.

We aren't going to match his rhetoric about legal and illegal immigrants. But why are we fighting increased measures to decrease illegal immigration when it not only doesn't gain us votes, but it COSTS us votes?

We trying to win elections or what?

 

[Moonbeam]

I am for building the wall. Democrats should support it. If it doesn't work as well as it has been touted by Republicans, oh well, at least there's a wall or whatever.

Democrats should just require that the wall suits multiple purposes. Throw some solar panels and batteries on it, wire it up to the grid, use it as an "aqueduct" for the grid.

I'm not seeing a downside to supporting it, and any money earmarked for the wall isn't earmarked for hunting down political opponents and women attempting to receive medical care.

Are you nuts? Think about the all the Republican donors who make their millions and billions off cheap non-unionized labor who work for nothing out of fear illegals will take their jobs. The hope of a wall is a vital part of the scam, you idiot.

There will be labor camps for illegals long before there is any wall.

 

[IronWing]

Death camps…right?

Red dreams of playing Rolfe Gruber.

 

[brycejones]

I'm all for proper vetted Legal Immigration.
This is not what we have had for the last 4 years. Not even close.

NM

 

[nickqt]

Are you nuts? Think about the all the Republican donors who make their millions and billions off cheap non-unionized labor who work for nothing out of fear illegals will take their jobs. The hope of a wall is a vital part of the scam, you idiot.

There will be labor camps for illegals long before there is any wall.

E-Verify also exists but is poorly implemented because in reality big and little businesses highly rely on undocumented immigrant labor.

 

[Moonbeam]

The conservative strategy, owing to the fact that humans become more conservative the greater they feel their lives are under threat, will always campaign on amplifying the magnitude of any threat common to any society. Millions of people what to come to America, many better educated, more motivated, and willing to put up with massive hardship just to be here. What happens when you see an influx of people like that into a a laid back self satisfied and unskilled, uneducated population?

I saw it with my own eyes in London. I had only to walk out of my flat to a myriad of small shops often closed for tea and open late and closing early. I could buy meat in one, fish in the next, vegetables in an other and so on until they started to be sold off to Pakistanis. Suddenly those little shops with a small number of items were filled to the ceilings with tiny aisles of hundreds of items and open 24 hours a day. Of course it ruined the laid back life but you didn't have to depend of some fucking Englishman who was out to tea. Thank God I can just go on line. Who needs farm fresh vegetables and locally cut meat. Like housing, people want to live where life is sweet and they learn fast not to let vultures come in and fuck it up.

But we need to increase the birth rate to sustain our insanity.

 

[Greenman]

Which is most definitely absolutely not on offer from Trump/Rs.



The surge in migrants is probably the only thing that's kept us from having a catastrophic labor shortage.

Or it's what's kept wages down.

 

[BoomerD]

I'm all for proper vetted Legal Immigration.
This is not what we have had for the last 4 years. Not even close.

It’s not what we’ve had since Reagan signed the amnesty bill nearly 40 years ago. Republicans love to talk about illegal immigration, but they know that id they ever actually cracked down on it, they’d lose much of their base support who depend on that cheap labor.