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Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I am getting what I wanted. Oversite on government spending, controlled immigration, merit based government hiring. I have concern that the Trump crew is using a hatchet where a scalpel would be the proper tool, but going overboard seems to be the very nature of our government.
I don't like the way some of his ideas are being handled, but the alternative was more of what wasn't working. Over thirty trillion dollars in debt is a problem, illegal immigration is a problem, government agency's blowing through billions of dollars with little to nothing to show for it is a problem.

Oversight? You can't even spell oversight, yet alone correctly identify it. This isn't 'oversight', it's mindless vandalism by a ruling elite who specifically want to destroy any mechanism for overseeing them.

As for the debt, on one level this seems like a rerun of the 'austerity' we had under Osborne and Clegg - we had years of cuts and reduction of government spending, and the result was a country where nothing worked properly, the greatest decline in living standards for centuries, and an even larger debt than we started with. And that was with cuts applied via the legitimate political system, with a 'scalpel', not extra-constitutionally with a woodchipper. I can't wait to see the devastating effect of the work of Chairman Musk's Red Guards. Will probably take the US a generation to recover.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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I am getting what I wanted. Oversite on government spending, controlled immigration, merit based government hiring.
What oversight? He fired the Inspectors General, he's illegally impounding funds appropriated by Congress (you know, who controls the power of the purse). And merit based? LOL. You may as well just say what you mean: white man.

I have concern that the Trump crew is using a hatchet where a scalpel would be the proper tool, but going overboard seems to be the very nature of our government.
I don't like the way some of his ideas are being handled, but the alternative was more of what wasn't working. Over thirty trillion dollars in debt is a problem, illegal immigration is a problem, government agency's blowing through billions of dollars with little to nothing to show for it is a problem.
All that said, a well spoken moderate democratic could have beat Trump, but instead we had a man who was clearly unfit for the job who was dumped for a woman who couldn't form a coherent sentence.
Debt is a problem? But he's proposing a huge tax cut that will blow up the deficit and the debt
And Trump is clearly senile as seen from all his pre-election rallies, and all his post-election press conferences. If anything or those things were actually important to you, you'd never vote for a single Republican or support the conservative position.

How do you remember to breathe?
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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But what about the Vance administration? Will he carry on stopping government waste?
If the economy is good he'd have a shot, if it sucks he's toast.
The problem I have is that everything even remotely political on the net is extremist. It's almost always a hate fest and loaded with spin and half truths. I tend to poke fun at it, which makes everyone angry.
 

WilliamM2

Platinum Member
Jun 14, 2012
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If the economy is good he'd have a shot, if it sucks he's toast.
The problem I have is that everything even remotely political on the net is extremist. It's almost always a hate fest and loaded with spin and half truths. I tend to poke fun at it, which makes everyone angry.
Guess we don't need to worry about Vance then. The economy is tanking, even before the tariffs. That, and Trump has already said he doesn't want him as his successor.
I'm waiting for numb nuts to fire Powell, and lower interest rates to drive inflation even higher.
 

NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
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I am getting what I wanted. Oversite on government spending, controlled immigration, merit based government hiring. I have concern that the Trump crew is using a hatchet where a scalpel would be the proper tool, but going overboard seems to be the very nature of our government.
I don't like the way some of his ideas are being handled, but the alternative was more of what wasn't working. Over thirty trillion dollars in debt is a problem, illegal immigration is a problem, government agency's blowing through billions of dollars with little to nothing to show for it is a problem.
All that said, a well spoken moderate democratic could have beat Trump, but instead we had a man who was clearly unfit for the job who was dumped for a woman who couldn't form a coherent sentence.
LOL! Tell us you are a fool without telling us you are a fool.. NON of what you claim you want is happening. You just seem to be believing the lies.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Guess we don't need to worry about Vance then. The economy is tanking, even before the tariffs. That, and Trump has already said he doesn't want him as his successor.
I'm waiting for numb nuts to fire Powell, and lower interest rates to drive inflation even higher.
Powell wont be fired. In fact, there may be a rate hike this year.
 

WilliamM2

Platinum Member
Jun 14, 2012
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LOL! Tell us you are a fool without telling us you are a fool.. NON of what you claim you want is happening. You just seem to be believing the lies.
Yep, orange man cutting spending while insisting they raise the debt ceiling. How can anyone believe his nonsense.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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That would make sense, but Trump has stated almost daily that he wants rates at ZERO, to lower inflation. He's an idiot.
Especially when:

Higher Rates = Deflation

Lower Rates = Inflation

Either way, the rate equation is all about borrowed money. If people are borrowing money to live on that is unsustainable, yet the government has gotten away with it for years. No, we need higher rates to discourage reckless consumer and government borrowing.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Of course that only applies to people you disagree with.
The fundamental problem with assumed superiority is the inability to see one's own logical failures.

lol yes that is a problem. What’s your address so I can send you a mirror?
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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If the economy is good he'd have a shot, if it sucks he's toast.
The problem I have is that everything even remotely political on the net is extremist. It's almost always a hate fest and loaded with spin and half truths. I tend to poke fun at it, which makes everyone angry.
To that end this is surely a token of love:
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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What oversight? He fired the Inspectors General, he's illegally impounding funds appropriated by Congress (you know, who controls the power of the purse). And merit based? LOL. You may as well just say what you mean: white man.


Debt is a problem? But he's proposing a huge tax cut that will blow up the deficit and the debt
And Trump is clearly senile as seen from all his pre-election rallies, and all his post-election press conferences. If anything or those things were actually important to you, you'd never vote for a single Republican or support the conservative position.

How do you remember to breathe?
In 2022 this was @Greenman:
I suffer from being a moderate that's staunchly behind the constitution. I understand that's the equivalent of being a rabid, gun toting, minority hating, bible thumping republican around here, but I can live with that, as I'm not all that concerned about what the far left or right think of me.
So he claims to be 'staunchly behind the Constitution' and yet when he sees the executive blatantly violating huge numbers of federal laws and usurping the power of Congress by impounding funds in direct violation of both federal law and binding SCOTUS precedent he's fine with it.

Turns out he wasn't as big a fan of the Constitution as he thought, haha.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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In 2022 this was @Greenman:

So he claims to be 'staunchly behind the Constitution' and yet when he sees the executive blatantly violating huge numbers of federal laws and usurping the power of Congress by impounding funds in direct violation of both federal law and binding SCOTUS precedent he's fine with it.

Turns out he wasn't as big a fan of the Constitution as he thought, haha.

Nazis, fascists, authoritarians, etc...they all have one significant trait in common - they simply pretend to have values so they feel like they are actual decent folk, when the reality is they have no decent morals or values, and zero intellectual honesty.

Quite simply, they need to all be dumped into the THIS IS THE FUCKING ENEMY pond and left there.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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In 2022 this was @Greenman:

So he claims to be 'staunchly behind the Constitution' and yet when he sees the executive blatantly violating huge numbers of federal laws and usurping the power of Congress by impounding funds in direct violation of both federal law and binding SCOTUS precedent he's fine with it.

Turns out he wasn't as big a fan of the Constitution as he thought, haha.
He's a liar on top of being a coward?

I can't even feign shock. I don't expect he'll have the stones to respond to you showing him for who he is though. Just pull yet another runner.

 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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He's a liar on top of being a coward?

I can't even feign shock. I don't expect he'll have the stones to respond to you showing him for who he is though. Just pull yet another runner.


I don't expect him to answer, no, and if he did I'm pretty sure the dodge would be 'I don't know if it's constitutional or not - one side says it is, the other side says it isn't. That's up to the courts, so let's ignore it for the next several years'. This is of course despite the fact that this is literally the exact same thing that SCOTUS has already held as illegal so the courts have already spoken.

If memory serves he did the exact same thing with Trump's criminal cases. He sees piles of top secret documents stored in Trump's bathroom and is like 'who can say what's illegal?'
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I don't expect him to answer, no, and if he did I'm pretty sure the dodge would be 'I don't know if it's constitutional or not - one side says it is, the other side says it isn't. That's up to the courts, so let's ignore it for the next several years'. This is of course despite the fact that this is literally the exact same thing that SCOTUS has already held as illegal so the courts have already spoken.

If memory serves he did the exact same thing with Trump's criminal cases. He sees piles of top secret documents stored in Trump's bathroom and is like 'who can say what's illegal?'
Even better the NY cases where he was all about waiting for jury verdicts before then deciding that the cases were without merit all along when the verdicts went against Trump.
 
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