The Playstation TV

[railven]

I don't see why it should be an issue. It should just play the vita games and instead of outputting to the built in screen, send it over HDMI. They obviously changed something somewhere that requires changes to the game.

They could have easily made it do all the same stuff a pS4 does I think when it comes to apps.

Oh, they definitely changed things:
For gaming - no touch screens, so they had to rework how the overlay menus work (God do I miss the simple swipe motion to close a page, holding O for 2-3 seconds is a chore)
The OS (while built of Vita) is markedly different with a lot of the functions removed, some others burned (unless I missed how I can force closed that stupid "Activity" Page)
Even PSN is flagged differently, opening that App up blocks you from EVERYTHING not compatible with PS TV, so it feels barren, lonely, and pointless.

These are just surface changes I know of, I'm sure under the hood there are hardware/software differences baked into the OS which is what is flagging games as not compatible. Devs have to tweak some things in their games to make it compatible (my guess, judging from Idea Factory's reaction - seems legit).

Still Egg on Sony's face. US version launched with a fraction of Japanese's function. I can do without the Netflix, though I shouldn't have to and that is just sad on their behalf.

 

[sze5003]

Beyond a defective unit, I really can't imagine what else to try. From my experience I can vouch that PS4 runs at 1080p and I have no latency issues, but I'm also using full throughput on my network. (I have both the PS TV and PS4 IPs on manual bandwidth adjustment, no QoS interference), static IPs, and the usual network check list. [EDIT: Resogun is a good game to test for latency due to it's twitch gameplay requirements, also no video degradation which was common on my PS Vita). EDIT #2: Not sure if you're using the Dualshock 3 controller, but I opted to use a Dualshock 4 from the start. Not sure if this would affect anything, but if you believe the marketing from Sony "Dualshock 4 has less latency than Dualshock 3".

I do know when I first tried WiFi the latency was a good second, that was with PS4 wired and PS TV WiFi. I was just setting it up, dropped that WiFi like a bad habit and ran wired. Never looked back. Waiting for PS Vita Game compatibility list, but only reason I'm keeping mine is Best Buy goofed my pre-order. I ordered $100 unit, but got $140 unit (with Lego Game/Controller/8GB card) so swallowing the "loss" haha.

I'm using the dual shock 4. I also just tried new Ethernet cables and it still is the same. Anyway you can get voice chat through the ps tv? The Mic that came with the ps4 does not work.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Oh, they definitely changed things:
For gaming - no touch screens, so they had to rework how the overlay menus work (God do I miss the simple swipe motion to close a page, holding O for 2-3 seconds is a chore)
The OS (while built of Vita) is markedly different with a lot of the functions removed, some others burned (unless I missed how I can force closed that stupid "Activity" Page)
Even PSN is flagged differently, opening that App up blocks you from EVERYTHING not compatible with PS TV, so it feels barren, lonely, and pointless.

These are just surface changes I know of, I'm sure under the hood there are hardware/software differences baked into the OS which is what is flagging games as not compatible. Devs have to tweak some things in their games to make it compatible (my guess, judging from Idea Factory's reaction - seems legit).

Still Egg on Sony's face. US version launched with a fraction of Japanese's function. I can do without the Netflix, though I shouldn't have to and that is just sad on their behalf.

Glad I did not buy one.

 

[sze5003]

Well I'm on my way to Wal-Mart to return mine. Maybe in the future if they give it a decent software update that can address latency on even wired connection I'll pick it up again. Seems many reviews I read from users complained of the same latency lag even when having both systems wired.

 

[waggy]

glad i read this. i was thinking of getting my son one.

 

[mmntech]

Well I'm on my way to Wal-Mart to return mine. Maybe in the future if they give it a decent software update that can address latency on even wired connection I'll pick it up again. Seems many reviews I read from users complained of the same latency lag even when having both systems wired.

Every review I've read has said the same thing. Vita handles streaming better over WiFi than the PSTV does over wired. Which is odd because these things were originally supposed to run the same hardware and software as the Vita. I'm guessing it's a bug in the Ethernet driver.

Considering it's been out in Japan for awhile now, there should be no compatibility issues or firmware bugs.

 

[sze5003]

Every review I've read has said the same thing. Vita handles streaming better over WiFi than the PSTV does over wired. Which is odd because these things were originally supposed to run the same hardware and software as the Vita. I'm guessing it's a bug in the Ethernet driver.

Considering it's been out in Japan for awhile now, there should be no compatibility issues or firmware bugs.

Yup I read all the reviews a while ago and they all mention if you wire it, it should do fine. It wasn't until after I bought it that I saw user reviews saying the vita over WiFi streams lag free vs the ps tv and some people have both systems, so they saw it right away.

Games are playable but it feels lackluster and slow. I notice it most when I was aiming in Destiny down the sites. On the ps4 it's super quick to aim, shoot , etc..on ps tv you seem to be moving at a good pace but you notice latency when turning side to side, aiming, and when lots of action happens.

Maybe they will have another version or update it with some sort of software. I would have loved to have it for playing my ps4 games in the bedroom while the living room tv is occupied.

 

[TeknoBug]

Every review I've read has said the same thing. Vita handles streaming better over WiFi than the PSTV does over wired. Which is odd because these things were originally supposed to run the same hardware and software as the Vita. I'm guessing it's a bug in the Ethernet driver.

Considering it's been out in Japan for awhile now, there should be no compatibility issues or firmware bugs.

The PS TV's network module is 10/100, there's no excuse for it to be using that, and from what some people say, it's a Realtek module...

 

[pathos]

Oh, they definitely changed things:
For gaming - no touch screens, so they had to rework how the overlay menus work (God do I miss the simple swipe motion to close a page, holding O for 2-3 seconds is a chore)

This is the reason that the developers are responsible for patching their games to work over vita tv, from what I understand.

Still Egg on Sony's face. US version launched with a fraction of Japanese's function.

I do believe alot of the japanese games were patched in after launch too. When the japanese psvita tv first launched, they didn't have nearly as many compatible right off the bat. Most were patched in after the fact. I'm betting that most games in the US will eventually get patched to work as well. If not, then I'll be disappointed.

Heh, I guess I'm fairly lucky though. I own probably 14 or 15 vita games, plus 5 psp games I've downloaded off the psn. Of all those games, I believe I have 4 total that aren't compatible, 1 of which is a psp game (class of heroes 2). Everything else works fine.

Of course, 2 of the games that aren't compatible (neptune rebirth and the sao game) are the 2 I wanted to play on the big screen most of all, so it's still disappointing. But, I'm fairly certain both will get patched at some point. I just hope I don't have to wait forever.

 

[sze5003]

The PS TV's network module is 10/100, there's no excuse for it to be using that, and from what some people say, it's a Realtek module...

I've known realtek cards to be buggy some times. But in the case of Ethernet it shouldn't matter. Wireless is a different story. My wireless streaming was only a bit slower than wired..that's because my router and modem are in the same room as the ps tv right next to each other.

What's odd is before I returned it , I was testing it out with new cables and it did end up dropping connection even on wired, but that might have been because Destiny servers went down. I had to do the whole reconnect setup again for it to work again.

 

[railven]

Glad I did not buy one.

You definitely aren't missing much. Perhaps later it might be viable. For now, definitely go by the compatibility list.

This is the reason that the developers are responsible for patching their games to work over vita tv, from what I understand.



I do believe alot of the japanese games were patched in after launch too. When the japanese psvita tv first launched, they didn't have nearly as many compatible right off the bat. Most were patched in after the fact. I'm betting that most games in the US will eventually get patched to work as well. If not, then I'll be disappointed.

Heh, I guess I'm fairly lucky though. I own probably 14 or 15 vita games, plus 5 psp games I've downloaded off the psn. Of all those games, I believe I have 4 total that aren't compatible, 1 of which is a psp game (class of heroes 2). Everything else works fine.

Of course, 2 of the games that aren't compatible (neptune rebirth and the sao game) are the 2 I wanted to play on the big screen most of all, so it's still disappointing. But, I'm fairly certain both will get patched at some point. I just hope I don't have to wait forever.

Yeah, it is definitely up to the devs from what I've come across. It's just a bit annoying that the Japanese version of games already got patched, and they had plenty of time to get those patches to the US version. I'm really going on a stretch saying this essentially makes the thing useless for me since that one specific game I really wanted to play on the big screen I can't (Neptunia) and it being a grind-a-thon, I'm starting to think it isn't the biggest loss haha.

I find myself playing a Persona 4: Golden on it, just to give it worth (helps that it has stand by mode.)

I've known realtek cards to be buggy some times. But in the case of Ethernet it shouldn't matter. Wireless is a different story. My wireless streaming was only a bit slower than wired..that's because my router and modem are in the same room as the ps tv right next to each other.

What's odd is before I returned it , I was testing it out with new cables and it did end up dropping connection even on wired, but that might have been because Destiny servers went down. I had to do the whole reconnect setup again for it to work again.

You shouldn't be getting the same transfer speed from WiFi and wired. Physical distance of your router shouldn't matter (EDIT: in regards to wired destroying wireless). Hold on:

I'm in my office, have a Dlink DIR 655 acting as a second access for upstairs (downstairs it is an ASUS N65), DIR 655 is hardwired to the ASUS N65 with CAT 6E. The PS TV is connected to DIR 655 via wired (and I can swap to Wireless G-54mbit). I have a 105Mbit ISP.
My connection right now (this PC is connected to the same DIR 655 but it has gigabit NIC):



PS TV speed via WiFi:

EDIT #2: Looking at this pic now (sorry didn't look at it before uploading it) I noticed that the 20MB file option is not listed (as you can see on the LAN pic). I ran the same test, using the 20MB link. It took forever via WiFi as the score tells.

PS TV speed via LAN:


I'm going to guess your unit was defective or you got something on your network that isn't playing nice. Anyone who does plan on getting a PS TV, go wired, period. The WiFi antenna on these things is garbage. The distance from the PS TV from the router used during all this testing is <5 feet since the PS TV sits under my monitor. I just ran the benches on my PS TV switching from LAN to WIFI and taking a pic with my phone.

 

[sze5003]

I'm not sure lots of other user reviews mentioned the same thing that it lagged over wired or had latency. I didn't do a speed test but I just tried it out by playing Destiny wired vs wireless and on wireless it was only a bit more slower than wired because the ps tv was literally on top of the router.

The ps4 is hooked up to my router in the other room via Ethernet power line adapters and gets about 25mb down and 12up. On WiFi the ps4 would get 7-9 down and like 3-4 up. The adapters really helped me in this case.

I could try buying another ps tv from best buy but their return policy is different than Wal-Mart.

 

[railven]

I'm not sure lots of other user reviews mentioned the same thing that it lagged over wired or had latency. I didn't do a speed test but I just tried it out by playing Destiny wired vs wireless and on wireless it was only a bit more slower than wired because the ps tv was literally on top of the router.

Oh, I don't doubt that at all. Not implying anything, but of the family/friend's I've had to help with network issues, almost all the time the issue was at their router (especially when they use stock manufacturer settings, etc).

Going through the router's setup and doing the laundry list usually alleviates a lot of issues. With remote accessing, the difference is almost night and day since halving latency is akin to doubling FPS in PC gaming (my opinion) in regards to response time.

The ps4 is hooked up to my router in the other room via Ethernet power line adapters and gets about 25mb down and 12up. On WiFi the ps4 would get 7-9 down and like 3-4 up. The adapters really helped me in this case.

I could try buying another ps tv from best buy but their return policy is different than Wal-Mart.

Not trying to get you to give it another try. Frankly, I wouldn't even advice buying a PS TV until Sony increases that compatibility list. Haha.

More so, look at your network. You should be getting the full bandwidth from all your connections. A lot of times I find people using CAT5 still which is only rated for 100mbit at the top. They don't even realize it because it came with the router/modem they bought a few years back. Sure, this won't affect much if your ISP connection is 25Mbits, but then this cable gets reused some where else. Also, sadly the PS4 is only 10/100 itself, which sucks cuz my PS3 runs circles around it.

Remember, QoS is not a god send, it is just a "quick fix" for Joe Average. Assign your own limits, and if you have time/now how, give everything static IPs, and set proper DMZ's yada yada. Sorry, laundry list. But this is mostly just "to get the most out of things" definitely not required.

 

[railven]

Since I had the PS TV on, I saw there was an update.

One of the options is now a video setting for remote play. Should help people who were having latency issues. But I'd expect horrendous IQ. Woof.

 

[sze5003]

Since I had the PS TV on, I saw there was an update.

One of the options is now a video setting for remote play. Should help people who were having latency issues. But I'd expect horrendous IQ. Woof.

Well when I had it I set it to auto then 1080i and 720p. This was in the actual settings. I guess this new setting is in the ps link app.

 

[TeknoBug]

Since I had the PS TV on, I saw there was an update.

One of the options is now a video setting for remote play. Should help people who were having latency issues. But I'd expect horrendous IQ. Woof.

Go to PS Link and look in the lower right bubble in settings, that's where you change it, "normal" is incredibly blurry so "high" is best if you don't want your stream to look like a Sega Genesis game on a 14" tube.

 

[sze5003]

I read on PlayStation forums that the new update has helped a lot with remote play both wireless and wired. Maybe I returned mine too quickly.

 

[slatr]

I read on PlayStation forums that the new update has helped a lot with remote play both wireless and wired. Maybe I returned mine too quickly.

I was doing better wired, but went back to wireless to try it after the update.

I have not been able to make Tomb Raider DE glitch after the update.

Before the update I could jump around and change direction and see some bit of garbage on a small part of the screen as it was "catching up." (knock on wood that this is truly fixed, the wiring I had run was not permanent)

I suppose I am a glass is half full person though anyway:

• No other HD console at this price point (old gen wii is not HD)
• Travels well
• No fan noise
• unique games such as Persona 4 Golden and more and more Japanese RPGs

 

[sze5003]

I was doing better wired, but went back to wireless to try it after the update.

I have not been able to make Tomb Raider DE glitch after the update.

Before the update I could jump around and change direction and see some bit of garbage on a small part of the screen as it was "catching up." (knock on wood that this is truly fixed, the wiring I had run was not permanent)

I suppose I am a glass is half full person though anyway:

• No other HD console at this price point (old gen wii is not HD)
• Travels well
• No fan noise
• unique games such as Dragon's Crown, Persona 4 Golden and more and more Japanese RPGs

Looks like it did help. Maybe I will go back and pick it up again after my refund comes back haha. Can anyone who has it and noticed latency before try out Destiny?

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Im thinking about go grabbing one of these today from the local gamestop are there any good games for it?? I could care less about srteaming this or that cause I have plenty of other consoles and mini pc's for that. How are the graphics?? Does this run in HD like 720p or 1080p??Is it on par with like wiiu graphics?? I know its not going to be a power house just looking for something new to fool around with and cant pass up a new console for only $99 bucks.

 

[slatr]

Im thinking about go grabbing one of these today from the local gamestop are there any good games for it?? I could care less about srteaming this or that cause I have plenty of other consoles and mini pc's for that. How are the graphics?? Does this run in HD like 720p or 1080p??Is it on par with like wiiu graphics?? I know its not going to be a power house just looking for something new to fool around with and cant pass up a new console for only $99 bucks.

are there any good games for it??

If you are into JPRGs there seem to be several that aren't out on other consoles. Persona 4 Golden might be a good first buy.

I could care less about srteaming this or that cause I have plenty of other consoles and mini pc's for that. How are the graphics??

Good, but certainly not PS4 level

Does this run in HD like 720p or 1080p??

720p or 1080i

Is it on par with like wiiu graphics??

I would say its a step below.

 

[TeknoBug]

Looks like it did help. Maybe I will go back and pick it up again after my refund comes back haha. Can anyone who has it and noticed latency before try out Destiny?

Still some latency in Destiny but not as bad as before the update, and with a little practice you can adjust to compensate the slightly latency. I'm using wifi direct (directly to PS4, not through router).

 

[sze5003]

Still some latency in Destiny but not as bad as before the update. I'm usind wifi direct (directly to PS4, not through router).

Hmm if you could test it out wired to your router I wonder if the latency is still there. I can't exactly remember how it was for me but it was definitely there.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

thanks for the fast reply.. So I have an ouya and mostly play dead trigger 2 and shadow gun on it so do you think the playstation tv has better graphics then the ouya??
I also play a COD clone called modern warfare and a Halo/Crysis clone called N.O.V.A. 3. DO you think the playstation tv can at leased match these kind of graphics or do better cause if they can at leased match it I will be going to pick one up in the next few mins here so you guys will be the deciding factor.

 

[slatr]

thanks for the fast reply.. So I have an ouya and mostly play dead trigger 2 and shadow gun on it so do you think the playstation tv has better graphics then the ouya??
I also play a COD clone called modern warfare and a Halo/Crysis clone called N.O.V.A. 3. DO you think the playstation tv can at leased match these kind of graphics or do better cause if they can at leased match it I will be going to pick one up in the next few mins here so you guys will be the deciding factor.

I believe from reading about the Ouya that the graphics are similar. I have been playing Rayman Origins on it and it looks good, but all UbiArt framework games look good.

Look up Killzone Mercenary to see what you think about a fps on ps tv.

Found a video of KZ MERC on PS TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgj1x1CK8S0