The onus is on YOU to show anything about the danger/inefficacy of vaccines remotely scientifically credible on anything approaching the scale and quality of studies and hard science proving just the opposite.
I just realized when I read your response that this thread has become just like the infamous 2014 Gasoline Price Forecast thread. More than a few present reality, facts, studies...all swatted aside by one while clamping hands over ears, spouting poorly understood nonsense, never presenting anything resembling research proving the espoused side. Sigh....guess it had to happen.
Oh wow
<more goalpost shifting snipped>
If you want to have a sensible discussion, don't bother constructing straw men or attempt to shift the argument away from countering points you've made. If some random person somewhere on the Internet claimed that vaccine schedules were infallible, that person is stupid. When you then attempt to reference such an incident to support your argument, it looks like you're attempting to de-rail the discussion.
So you'd rather go back to the skyrocketing autoimmune disorders and no one knows why its happening so I'd prefer a more 1980's vaccine schedule like the one I had just to be sure?
Overvolt, do you dictate your posts to your personal "helper"? Many mentally challenged people are given social workers and assistants to help them deal with thing they don't understand. My guess is Overvolt is one of these handicapped individuals, and he uses his assistant to post. So he doesn't understand technology in the same we do, but that's ok.
There is no reasonable argument for not vaccinating children. That is why this OverVolt person keeps changing the subject and using strawmen. He appears to be on the wrong forum considering most of us actually know enough about science to understand that vaccinations are necessary for the safety of babies and those that can't be immunized.
Overvolt, do you dictate your posts to your personal "helper"? Many mentally challenged people are given social workers and assistants to help them deal with thing they don't understand. My guess is Overvolt is one of these handicapped individuals, and he uses his assistant to post. So he doesn't understand technology in the same we do, but that's ok.
So your argument here is "I believe the rate of autoimmune disorders being diagnosed is skyrocketing" (I wouldn't use that adjective but I'm sure it's increasing, likely due to the medical profession's increasing understanding of the topic), "no-one knows why it's happening so I'm going to spin the bottle and therefore decide to be against current vaccine schedules!".
Have you applied your argument to a tonne of other things that have changed since the eighties? Perhaps you also wish to return to using leaded petrol? Ban bottled water?
Making such a claim without any evidence only can reasonably result in a shrug and the question "couldn't it be a million other things as well?".
NIH estimates up to 23.5 million Americans* have an AD. In comparison, cancer affects up to 9 million and heart disease up to 22 million.
Oh please what a way to sugar coat it.
http://www.aarda.org/autoimmune-information/autoimmune-statistics/
You missed the point. It doesn't matter if it's even a billion people a day are being diagnosed with autoimmune disorders, saying "we should return to vaccine schedules used in the eighties to be sure it's not that" has about as much scientific basis as claiming that witches must be responsible.
It seems... reasonable to me... so whatever. At least until there is a credible causal link established by medical science that explains the rise in autoimmune disorders that refutes it i'd err on the side of caution personally.
It seems... reasonable to me... so whatever. At least until there is a credible causal link established by medical science that explains the rise in autoimmune disorders that refutes it i'd err on the side of caution personally.
It seems... reasonable to me... so whatever. At least until there is a credible causal link established by medical science that explains the rise in autoimmune disorders that refutes it i'd err on the side of caution personally.
You can get autoimmune disorders from vaccines OR the disease itself. There is evidence that autism is an autoimmune disorder for some people.
The only reason I'm still in this is because you propose to err on the side of a greater potential harm to a child and I don't care if it's your own.
You have made this comment in another thread
That is an astounding statement. "You can get autoimmune disorders from vaccines". Why is that true? Because you think so without any understanding of the topic. You further state that the criteria isn't science, but absolute perfect knowledge that even in principle science nor any other method of understanding can provide. You require proving the negative. You refuse to distinguish the difference between tested vaccines (which are not only subject to clinical trials, but mandatory potential complication reporting through VAERS. If autoimmune disease was linked to vaccines it would have shown up. This rather extraordinary means of continual monitoring cannot remotely demonstrate that a connection exists. As others have pointed out there is an equally valid statistical connection between bizarre correlations and autoimmune diseases. "Thinking" something into existence isn't a scientifically demonstrable process. You also act as if schedules are arbitrary and fixed, making a clear distinction between now and 30 or 40 years ago. No, they are constantly evolving. You can read up on that here.
Getting back to your personal scientific requirements, you conflate scientific knowledge sufficient to make determinations of causality in specific cases with complete inerrant knowledge while not having the background to make a legitimate judgement on your own. Likewise I don't have enough background in quantum physics and math to argue with physicists. My "feeling" or "thinking" they are all wrong would be illogical, and the field is hardly settled.
Since the perfection of knowledge is what you require, then I submit that you shouldn't use electricity because the practical theories are "wrong". When you drill down into reality the engineers are using formulas based people like Maxwell, and he is "wrong". Why? Because he might be 99.99999999 correct in predicting a value, but that's not 100% because he didn't know about quantum physics. Know what? Things work anyway, because he was not in fact "wrong", his knowledge was incomplete, but for most practical purposes he was sufficiently correct. We don't have a complete knowledge of gravity. Newton, Einstein, everyone is wrong by your criteria and therefore dismissible by "the think method" of Harold Hill. No, science doesn't work that way.
My father had a tongue in cheek saying "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made up". Well that is still true. We're not going to change your mind and you are going to put your children at increased risk based on your preference, but that is not based on any demonstrably valid reasoning process.
All knowledge is incomplete, but that does not keep the apple from falling nor does it cause vaccines to cause disease because the word "immune" happens to be involved.
You have the legal right to be irresponsible. You won't change your mind because it's more important that you validate your beliefs than properly protect your children. Your ego is more important than your kids.
Maybe, just maybe, someone will change their opinions over this discussion but that's not likely. Even so the process of doing so is cathartic for some of us. We did what we could.
Even when that vaccine has human and animal blood parts in it and has partial active viruses residing in the vaccine swimming along with mercury.
Oh here is an Idea.... let me get a needle and let me inject a 20 CC of mercury into your blood system. You would like that wouldn't you!
It seems... reasonable to me... so whatever. At least until there is a credible causal link established by medical science that explains the rise in autoimmune disorders that refutes it i'd err on the side of caution personally.
Which vaccine contains "20 cc" of mercury." The fact you don't even know that a vaccine doesn't even contain 20 cc of fluid shows how moronic these statements are.
There is so much misinformation about being Pro vaccine as much as there is against getting any vaccine.
The funny part is that so far from my readings/understanding is both sides are correct.
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
A child who was not autistic but given 9 vaccines on the same day did become autistic.
People do not become autistic over night people!
I am curious about something. How many people here who are pro-vaccine have been getting their 10 year booster shots for Tetanus, Pertussis, and Diphtheria?
We have been having large outbreaks in this area, and one reason is many adults just don't get booster shoots.